Another DNS Provider Comes Out Against SOPA

from the speak-up dept

Tue, Nov 29th 2011 5:17am — Mike Masnick

We had already seen OpenDNS publicly come out against SOPA and PROTECT IP, and it appears other DNS providers are doing so as well. Dyn has come out strongly against the bill as well, comparing it directly to the Great Firewall of China.

Are you familiar with the Great Firewall Of China? Sometimes referred to as the Golden Shield project, it�s a Chinese government censorship and Internet surveillance project kicked off in 1998 and put into action in 2003. Simply put, it enables the government to restrict what content its citizens can read and view via IP blocking and DNS filtering. If they don�t like a site request a user makes, it won�t get viewed.

Many dismiss what�s happening in China and chalk to up to their communist political system. That could never happen in a free speech-driven, rights for all society like we have in the United States, right?

If the Stop Online Piracy Act (SOPA) introduced this week gets enacted into law, things could change negatively for Americans which is why Dyn opposes the bill.

Once again, this isn't just some "easy to dismiss" ranting from "the usual crowd." This is from a company that actually runs a DNS system and knows directly how this law will create the functional equivalent of the way blocking is done in China. It stuns me that politicians and folks at the MPAA still want to pretend that the concerns over DNS are nothing to pay attention to and that techies can just "change some code" to fix them.

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Wig, 29 Nov 2011 @ 5:31am

Sure, techies could just change some code an fix it, except that SOPA and the likes make that illegal too!
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Anonymous Coward, 29 Nov 2011 @ 5:34am

I just don't want THE MAN to be the Man in the middle. The DNS plan breaks the security that protects the users against Man in the middle attacks.
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Anonymous Coward, 29 Nov 2011 @ 5:41am

DYNDNS is famous as a company that will dns anything. That includes all sorts of crap. Of course they don't want any law that might hurt their business model. Another support of content grifters shoas its colors
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Planespotter (profile), 29 Nov 2011 @ 5:42am

God damn these "DNS" people... who do they think they are... without us you wouldn't be able to listen to pre-packaged pop tunes or remakes of wonderful films from the 50's and 60's that do no justice to the original, or get halfway through a tv series for us to kill it off with a "fade to black, roll end credits"!

Yours
The Creative Content Industry.
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gorehound (profile), 29 Nov 2011 @ 5:42am

If they Vote YES Then vote NO in 2012
I intend on making sure for any who vote yes on this to never get my vote again.I am almost 56 years old.When I was a child in the early 60's I used my allowance and bottle collecting money to buy a short wave radio.My Dad is a Holocaust Survivor and knew at least a little Russian/German/French/Czech,etc.
When Dad was home we would play a game.I would tune in to European Broadcasts and he would tell me the language they spoke in.It was back then I learned of Radio Free Europe.Since then I know we have beamed Uncensored World News to many Countries.With SOPA/PROTECT-IP ACT we can never put another Country down for Repressing the Info all Citizens World wide have a Right to know.How can we call this Country free or a haven for the oppressed.
These Bills will destroy innovation on the Internet.
These Bills are an infringment on our Constituitional Rights.
These Bills are going to make my life hell as an Artist who unlike the RIAA shares his Art for free on P2P Networks.I am currently sharing 6 LP's full of tunes by my present and past official bands.
See: Big Meat Hammer,The GoreHounds,The Lynn Rebels, and The Transplants (Boston Punk 1976-80)
I have been writing and calling my Reps and Washington as well I have signed all Petitions.I have written to my local Paper and have posted on my website and on Facebook.
I am so pissed at these bozos in Washington in 2012 I will be more than happy to not vote for any Rep or DEM.I hate both of these Parties.I am just plain sick of it all.I do not blame either Party as both are at fault.
The Current Administration has the lowest approval Rating in the History of our Union.They ought to know that the tighter you put on the screws the angrier the masses will get.
2012 should bring massive marches on Washington demanding to fix our Economy and fix our broken Government and stop trying to take our Freedom Away.
SOPA/PIPA gets me to angry to think more.I need to have a relief now.
These people in Washington are so lost it is not funny.It is very sad.What are we turning into ???
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Planespotter (profile), 29 Nov 2011 @ 5:45am

Re:
They also provide valid services used by both the private and public sectors of society, if you are going to argue that "if a companies products can be used for illegal/criminal purposes = bad" then you need to make a much larger piece of law and apply it to every industry you can pretty much think of.
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ComputerAddict (profile), 29 Nov 2011 @ 5:52am

Re:
1) I wasn't aware "dns" is actually a verb. Thanks for this tidbit of knowledge.

2) "That includes all sorts of crap".... yea Like small businesses that run on ISDN (yea still), Cable, and DSL modems that need free ways to remotely connect to their server. I've setup dozens of businesses with this. I also used to use it for gaming servers, stat's websites for those gaming servers etc. plenty of legitimate uses, Where should the Legitimate users go now if you remove these services?

3) Of course legitimate businesses don't want you to pass a law that would hurt them. Maybe we should lobby for a three-stars-three-strikes law, you make 3 movies that are three stars or below and you are banned from buying video cameras for life. (this includes most digital cameras with movie feature, smartphones, etc.). This ensure's that the content industry can preserve the rich media that is being produced today. Don't Worry though, we will send out a vague warning letter to some email address that you probably don't use for the first two strikes to make sure you know your doing it wrong.
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Anonymous Coward, 29 Nov 2011 @ 6:37am

Re:
I've been noticing that the quality of the arguments coming from SOPA supporters have been going downhill.

While the opponents of SOPA use arguments that tend to rely on technical and practical aspects of the implementation of the law as a basis of their disagreement, SOPA supporters tend choose "Think of the children!" or "Those damn pirates are killing the music business!" as the base of their entire argument.

No wonder we don't take you seriously...
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out_of_the_blue, 29 Nov 2011 @ 6:45am

"While online piracy is obviously bad, this is the wrong way..."
OKAY, experts, then tell us the /right/ way to fight piracy. -- For fanboys here, that must be in light of what I emphasize in the quote below, which shows what everyone else takes as common premise, and that your views on piracy being beneficial are actually way out there:

"While online piracy is obviously bad, this is the wrong way to go about fighting it. We understand why the groups like the Motion Picture Association of America and the U.S. Chamber of Commerce are supporting the bill as piracy of content costs the original producers/distributors tens of billions of dollars. They�re desperate for a solution to recoup that lost revenue. This isn�t it."
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Louis Smith (profile), 29 Nov 2011 @ 6:54am

Yes, us techies can change things...
... like roll out a browser that doesn't even use DNS - just a hosts file - and share that hosts file with each other. Or maybe release World War Five (the logical successor to WW4) for ourselves. Lots of things techies CAN do - that you really don't want us TO do.

Techies created EVERYTHING you use. We invented every piece of equipment - even the whole movie industry was invented by one of the first "techies". You filled a gap when the gap was given to you by US. Well, we're eliminating that gap. Get over it, and find a new line of work. If you want, we'll even help you with a new technology that will make you more money than you ever dreamed of.

but - if you prefer (and it seems you do) we can become the enemy in your worst nightmare.
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Anonymous Coward, 29 Nov 2011 @ 6:54am

Re: "While online piracy is obviously bad, this is the wrong way..."
"the /right/ way to fight piracy."

Ummm... A better business model?

*ducks*

Seriously, fighting piracy is like fighting against jealousy. At no point will you be able to declare "That's it, everyone loves us again!"

Give your customers what they want. A good product at a fair price. No locked down DRM. Open standards. I'm a jazz fiend, and I'd buy a lot more music if there were an online retailer that sold the big labels stuff in FLAC.
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Anonymous Coward, 29 Nov 2011 @ 6:59am

Re: "While online piracy is obviously bad, this is the wrong way..."
Citation needed for that quote, lad. Both where you got it from, and the exact statistics showing how they lose tens of billions of dollars.

Seriously, the way you guys pull numbers out of your posterior, you'd give Nigerian 419 scammers a run for their money.
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robin, 29 Nov 2011 @ 7:00am

Re: "While online piracy is obviously bad, this is the wrong way..."
OKAY, experts, then tell us the /right/ way to fight piracy

I'm not an expert, I just play one on TV. Nonetheless, I am a Captain of The Obvious:

Provide an unencumbered, easily accessed and reasonably priced computer file and your (self-inflicted) piracy "problem" goes away.

"Problem" of course is debatable as well, as what intelligently run company would turn its back on free market research.

Oh...wait...nevermind. Entertainment conglomerates, that's who.
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The Groove Tiger (profile), 29 Nov 2011 @ 7:02am

Re: "While online piracy is obviously bad, this is the wrong way..."
I haven't read ootb's comment, and don't intend to, but I bet it has something to do with Google and rich people, and capitalism is badwrong except when the Big Corporation sells music or movies. And something about college boys.

I wonder why always the same kind of stupid comments. The kind I'm sure he just made again right now that I didn't read.
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Anonymous Coward, 29 Nov 2011 @ 7:06am

Re: "While online piracy is obviously bad, this is the wrong way..."
Blue, I'm starting to get a good idea of the kind of person you are. You want people to do everything for you. You want to contribute nothing beyond "give me". You sound like more of a freetard than most of the people here accused of being that very thing.

So let's get this out of the way and put it as simply as possible, okay?

(Also, note: we do NOT appreciate your sarcasm in regards to your opening line /right/ nonsense)

There is a wrong way to fight piracy and a right way. SOPA/PIPA are the /wrong/ way (to put it in a format you might understand). Why are they the wrong way to go about doing that? If you need it explained to you after all the articles on exactly that and all the repetitive comments made by myself and others, you're a lost cause and not worth repeating it to again.

The /right/ way to fight piracy, and do so as is being done, is by narrowing SOPA/PIPA. Instead of using overly broad and ill defined terms, make them specific. That's pretty much what EVERYONE here has been saying, including Mike and most opponents of the bills. It's literally, not that hard to think of/do. I cannot make/put it any simpler than that.

That's the right way to fight it in regards to these bills.

Another way is, again I'm getting sick of repeating it, meet the customer's wants/needs. GASP! Yep. That f*cking simple. Ask them what they want, they'll tell you. Then work on providing that. Nothing to it. Netflix and iTunes and Spotify and Pandora and Steam manage to do just that. Provide the people with what they want. Movies/tv shows, music and games. Streamed or downloadable. In as hassle free a way as possible. (This means no sh*tty DRM. Or jumping through hoops of installing this or that just to get your product to work/play.) As cheaply and reasonably priced as possible. (Emphasis on "cheaply and reasonably priced"! No one is saying "free". Not myself, nor anyone else here. We're saying just be reasonable.) Whenever they want it. (Regional delays, etc. are unacceptable in this day and age.)

There. That's two ways to fight piracy. The former is the right way in accordance with new bills/laws. The latter is the right way in general. If the "criminals" and thieves can provide a better product than the "legal" alternative/providers, you have a serious problem on your hands. And it isn't the "illegal" product being offered by "pirates". It's YOU. [points finger at you] And your antiquated way of doing things.

Now if you'll excuse me, I'm going to go work on seeing if I can get someone to come up with a "better business model" that is guaranteed to get me back the $100M I want to sink into a movie. :P [walks off and then takes a quick peek back, sees you still here and sighs] "You and your false promises, Blue."
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Chuck Norris' Enemy (deceased) (profile), 29 Nov 2011 @ 7:06am

Re:
Sigh, what a sad and easily debunked argument. Criminals use phones, cars, highways to break the law all the time. Anybody who provides these services should be shut down because they are funding "grifters"?
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Anonymous Coward, 29 Nov 2011 @ 7:11am

Re: Re:
The sad thing is that in my view the very same can be said of a very large number of SOPA/Protect-IP detractors.

For example, the countries they are relying upon to draw analogies do not have a judicial system as ours that exercises virtually complete autonomy from the other two branches of governement.
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Pixelation, 29 Nov 2011 @ 7:20am

Re: "While online piracy is obviously bad, this is the wrong way..."
"OKAY, experts, then tell us the /right/ way to fight piracy."

It's been stated many times...alter your business model to fit the current landscape. Stop fucking with innovative start-ups that eat into your bottom line a little bit, really. Quit being so fucking greedy.
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Overcast (profile), 29 Nov 2011 @ 7:29am

Soon, even China will come out against it.

I'm not kidding either.
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ArkieGuy (profile), 29 Nov 2011 @ 7:35am

The Right way....
Honestly, it's not the tech industry's place to tell you how to solve your problem. We CAN tell you that a given "solution" is problematic and can even give advice on what we think might be part of the problem, but it's up to YOU to figure out how to fix it (you are the entertainment "experts" after all). But don't discount our reply when we say something is going to have detrimental impact on technology (we ARE the technology "experts").

Think of it like this, if you came out and said "all copyright suspects will be shot" and the justice department said "ummm, no they won't", would you then expect the justice department to solve your issue?
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Chuck Norris' Enemy (deceased) (profile), 29 Nov 2011 @ 7:36am

Re: "While online piracy is obviously bad, this is the wrong way..."
A penny from 1B pirates is $10M. A dime from 100M pirates is $10M. A dollar from 10M pirates is $10M. Figure out how to get the pirates to pay and you will recoup the $10M you insist on spending to make your film.

P.S. - the term pirates in this context means any consumer since the industry assumes all their consumers are pirates.
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Anonymous Coward, 29 Nov 2011 @ 7:41am

Re: Re: Re:

The sad thing is that in my view the very same can be said of a very large number of SOPA/Protect-IP detractors.

For example, the countries they are relying upon to draw analogies do not have a judicial system as ours that exercises virtually complete autonomy from
the other two branches of governement.

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Anonymous Coward, 29 Nov 2011 @ 7:45am

Re: Re: Re:

The sad thing is that in my view the very same can be said of a very large number of SOPA/Protect-IP detractors.

For example, the countries they are relying upon to draw analogies do not have a judicial system as ours that exercises virtually complete autonomy from
the other two branches of governement.

Even the judiciary in a democratic country has to follow positive law. Most SOPA detractors aren't only concerned with the execution of the law but the
law itself.

If the law's stipulations are bad, it doesn't matter how faithfully they are enforced by the courts.
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Rikuo (profile), 29 Nov 2011 @ 7:48am

Re: Re: "While online piracy is obviously bad, this is the wrong way..."
Thank you, my good friend. Good response.
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Rikuo (profile), 29 Nov 2011 @ 7:50am

Re: "While online piracy is obviously bad, this is the wrong way..."
/Why/ /should/ /we/ /bother/ /telling/ /you/? /We've/ /provided/ /solutions/ /far/ /too/ /many times,/ /and/ /you've/ /said/ /you/ /don't/ /want/ /to/ /hear/ /them/.
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Marcus Carab (profile), 29 Nov 2011 @ 7:53am

Re: "While online piracy is obviously bad, this is the wrong way..."
Do you realize how flimsy your argument is here, Blue? Demanding a "right" way does not change the fact that this is the wrong way.

Say I want to fight malaria. So I propose to wipe out the mosquito by poisoning all the lakes in Africa. Then someone points out to me that this plan will not work, and will cause more problems than it solves. The correct reaction is not "oh yeah? well then tell me the RIGHT way to end malaria! otherwise we're going ahead with my lake-poisoning plan!"
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Robert Doyle (profile), 29 Nov 2011 @ 7:59am

Gotta love it
I love everyone who thinks this is a great idea. They feel that censorship is ok if it is done by private business but not the government. The whole thing is to get the government to do the bidding of the private interest over the public interest.

By controlling what you watch, they get to charge more for it and restrict you to content they approve - whether the government cares or not.
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Anonymous Coward, 29 Nov 2011 @ 8:02am

Re: Re: Re: Re:
Many of the commenters here use the First Amendment as their chief area of concern, i.e., "censorship".

Congress obviously passes laws (as does the Executive via rulemaking), but since Marbury v. Madison the primacy of the Supreme Court in matters of constitutional interpretation has been the law of the land.
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anonymous, 29 Nov 2011 @ 8:09am

Re:
'DYNDNS is famous as a company that will dns anything. That includes all sorts of crap. Of course they don't want any law that might hurt their business model. Another support of content grifters shoas its colors'

exactly what the entertainment industries are doing, then. they not only dont want anything to hurt their business models, they are shit scared that they will have to change with the times and lose the complete control they have had for years over how people buy/listen/watch/play their content. no other industry has done so much to impede progress, particularly as far as the internet is concerned. no other industry has done so much to alienate their own, paying customers. no other industry has done so much, by using bribery of politicians and law makers, to keep their stranglehold. they would be/are the first industry to complain bitterly when another industry tries the same thing. nothing more than a bunch of spoilt, self-centered kids that want their arses wailed!
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Jason, 29 Nov 2011 @ 8:11am

Re: If they Vote YES Then vote NO in 2012
Personally, I hope that Facebook removes the pages of every member of congress that supports this crap and provides a link that potential opponents of the offending member of congress can click to request money from Facebook to take that member's seat.
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Anonymous Coward, 29 Nov 2011 @ 8:35am

Re: "While online piracy is obviously bad, this is the wrong way..."
then tell us the /right/ way to fight piracy

... No. Why should we do your work for you? We don't need to offer a solution to be against bad law that will infringe upon our constitutional rights. If you can't make money, you're in the wrong business.
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Anonymous Coward, 29 Nov 2011 @ 8:47am

I just went to two horrible web sites today. Totally Dedicated to patent and copyright infringement. On those sites I was able to delve into companies trade secrets, search and look through various discoveries and innovations they had made, and copy them! Yes! I was able to use these two sites to copy company secrets and trademarks. Because that is what these two sites were designed for. I hope SOPA passes, because I would like to get those sites taken down, and I want to be able to confiscate all the sites owned by this nefarious group.
USPTO.gov and Copyright.gov are both dedicated to assisting pirates and thieves. Shut them down for the sake of the children.
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Jeffrey Nonken (profile), 29 Nov 2011 @ 10:38am

Oh, come on, Mike. Everybody knows the DNS is just there to enable piracy!
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Chuck Norris' Enemy (deceased) (profile), 29 Nov 2011 @ 10:55am

Re: Re: "While online piracy is obviously bad, this is the wrong way..."
Wait! It's $100M! Yeah, you'll never get that back. /sarc
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The eejit (profile), 29 Nov 2011 @ 11:01am

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re:
That may be true, but when the judiciary is effective legislated out of an issue, you open said issue up to abuse.

Or have you never heard of rules-lawyering?
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The eejit (profile), 29 Nov 2011 @ 11:03am

Re: "While online piracy is obviously bad, this is the wrong way..."
Y'know what?

I'm gonna report every single post of yours from now on. Your inability to comprehend the simplest of arguments, that even my five-year-old daughter can comprehend, is staggering.
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bjupton (profile), 29 Nov 2011 @ 12:00pm

Re: Re: "While online piracy is obviously bad, this is the wrong way..."
You are, at least for a small moment today, one of my heroes.

Thank you
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CD (profile), 29 Nov 2011 @ 1:01pm

Re:
Only because their phishing emails will not be able to be hidden as easily since they'll have to use IPs instead of one-off domain names in the URLs.
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Digitari, 29 Nov 2011 @ 1:18pm

RE the right way to stop Piracy
quit making movies, music, software, what ever. and get a real fucking JOB!! why is that so hard???

/s

art is for art's sake. if art is for profit it aint fucking art
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Anonymous Coward, 29 Nov 2011 @ 1:30pm

Re: If they Vote YES Then vote NO in 2012
Hey douchebag. Since you're such a badass militant activist type, why don't you grab your sleeping bag and head up to Occupy Augusta and spread the word among your fellow malcontents. It's only an hour up the road from you. My guess is that you're a big blowhard pussy and won't do anything that requires any actual effort on your part.
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Anonymous Coward, 29 Nov 2011 @ 2:19pm

Re: Re: "While online piracy is obviously bad, this is the wrong way..."
Y'know what?

I'm gonna report every single post of yours from now on. Your inability to comprehend the simplest of arguments, that even my five-year-old daughter can comprehend, is staggering.

Censorship? Typical hypocritical shitbag response.
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Anonymous Coward, 29 Nov 2011 @ 2:22pm

Re: Yes, us techies can change things...
but - if you prefer (and it seems you do) we can become the enemy in your worst nightmare.

Bring it sissyboy. You former dodgeball targets are in for some serious flashbacks.
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Anonymous Coward, 29 Nov 2011 @ 2:27pm

Re: RE the right way to stop Piracy
quit making movies, music, software, what ever. and get a real fucking JOB!! why is that so hard???

/s

art is for art's sake. if art is for profit it aint fucking art

Spoken like the talentless loser that you truly are. Just because you are a failed creator who cannot produce anything that others are willing to pay for doesn't mean others are. Instead of denigrating the genuinely creative; rejoice in your own native talents.... like asking patrons if they want fries with their order or wish to "supersize it".
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Anonymous Coward, 29 Nov 2011 @ 4:00pm

Re: Re: Re: "While online piracy is obviously bad, this is the wrong way..."
"Censorship? Typical hypocritical shitbag response."

Typical moron response. Censorship means you are prevented ENTIRELY from seeing/hearing/speaking something.

On TD, guess what happens when your comment is reported enough? I'll give you a hint, it isn't censored.

Still can't figure it out? Okay, because some of us aren't that bright [coughyoucough] I'll share the answer with the rest of the class.

YOUR COMMENT IS NOT CENSORED. It merely is pretty much pushed to the side. Or specifically on TD, you click a button that says "show comment" and wahlah! Like magic the comment is readily visible! GASP!

That's right. One click of the mouse and it's instantly viewable. That seems to be the opposite of "censorship".

Try again troll. This time, think before you speak. And please, you playing the "censorship" card is really the HYPOCRITICAL thing. You gladly support legislation that will, if passed, allow for corporations and the government to censor at will. But the moment someone says I don't want to see what you write, but it'll still be there to be seen by those who do, you cry foul. Lol. This is what we mean when we laugh at the industries and their supports (not the artists) when they say things like "think of the artists" "think of the soldiers" "think of the children" and so on and so forth. The level of hypocrisy exhibited by the industries and people like you is so astounding it's hard to believe that the irony itself doesn't slap you in the face.

Let's do this again sometime. I love showing to others how unintelligent some people are. You're the easiest one to pick on on this site. And that's cause you hide behind the "AC" moniker, yet you're always obvious to spot out.
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Jeremy Hitchcock, 29 Nov 2011 @ 6:09pm

This doesn't change or alter our business model. I think why you see DNS providers talking about is because it's a "clever", behind the scenes way for there to be warrantless take-downs. We already have legal methods to do the same things, this is simply bypassing judicial review.
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Anonymous Coward, 30 Nov 2011 @ 3:05am

Re: Re: Yes, us techies can change things...
How so? Have you ever tried emailing a dodgeball?
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Steven Lockey, 1 Dec 2011 @ 4:55am

Better Way
Its funny that the entertainment industary hasn't realised the full implications of this yet.

With no judicial review of the bans, what is to stop me reporting say www.disney.com and getting that banned? I think if SOPA passes, there are going to be enough people pissed off at the entertainment companies that basically the major enterainment sites will have many complaints against them very quickly, forcing the DNS companies to shut them all down.

Of course then less ethical business owners start reporting their competitors and it goes from there...... Fun!
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