Louis CK: Connecting With Fans & Giving Them A Reason To Buy By Being Polite, Awesome & Human

from the simple-as-that dept

Tue, Dec 13th 2011 1:58pm — Mike Masnick

A little over two years ago, we wrote about how (the absolutely incredibly brilliant) comedian Louis CK had gotten some news by asking politely for some fans to take down a video from a file sharing site, noting that it was new material he was working on, and he wasn't ready for it to be seen widely yet. The request worked. Louis himself stopped by our comments to provide some more detail. Throughout the entire situation, he did what he does, and what makes people like him: just be himself -- and be thankful and appreciative, while explaining his reasoning. In that case, he noted that he wasn't against file sharing, it's just that he didn't want this work out in the world yet. He even said that once the same work is released officially on a DVD or special, he'd be fine with the original clips going back up on file sharing sites. He was also quite clear that he didn't demand anyone take down any content, he just asked politely.

Given that attitude (and given plenty of other things he's done recently) it came as little surprise that he's released his latest "live" video directly himself off his own website, for $5 via Paypal, and is offering it with no DRM or anything like that. There are download and streaming limits, which I assume are to avoid bandwidth issues. There are a few ways he might have been able to deal with the bandwidth to offer more downloads or streams, but on the whole, he appears to be doing everything he can to make the process as simple and convenient as possible. He even put up a short note about file sharing on the page:

To those who might wish to "torrent" this video: look, I don't really get the whole "torrent" thing. I don't know enough about it to judge either way. But I'd just like you to consider this: I made this video extremely easy to use against well-informed advice. I was told that it would be easier to torrent the way I made it, but I chose to do it this way anyway, because I want it to be easy for people to watch and enjoy this video in any way they want without "corporate" restrictions.

Please bear in mind that I am not a company or a corporation. I'm just some guy. I paid for the production and posting of this video with my own money. I would like to be able to post more material to the fans in this way, which makes it cheaper for the buyer and more pleasant for me. So, please help me keep this being a good idea. I can't stop you from torrenting; all I can do is politely ask you to pay your five little dollars, enjoy the video, and let other people find it in the same way.

Once again, as he did a couple years ago, it's a polite and friendly request, not a demand or any sort of threat or anger. On top of that he explains his reasoning. In both cases, he comes across as being human, which all too often doesn't happen with stars.

To market this release, he hit the perfect target audience for this thing, doing a Reddit IAmA discussion (basically a Q&A for those unfamiliar with Reddit). Once again, throughout that discussion he was... incredibly human, and he answered a ton of questions. Not surprisingly, it's a really fun and interesting read.

Sometimes, when we talk about business models built around CwF+RtB (Connecting with Fans plus a Reason to Buy), people seem to falsely assume that means you absolutely have to give away all your content for free. We've said time and time again that that's simply not the case at all. If you can really connect with fans, and then make it convenient and reasonable for them to support you, they will do so (as I did). And that's exactly what Louis has done here.

I don't think anyone doubts that the film will end up being available from unauthorized sources. It may already be available that way. Hell, I'd bet that Louis himself expected it to show up for free pretty quickly. But the point is that the people who still "pirate" the video really don't matter. Those people were never going to pay anyway. What Louis has done, this way, is give tons of people (including plenty who normally don't pay for content) a really good reason to buy: which is by being polite, awesome and human. Compare that to so many who are rude, mediocre and programmed.

He seems to recognize this directly in some of his comments, where he notes that he went to The Pirate Bay for the first time the day before the release, and tried to think about what to do:

I don't know yet if I'll do it again. It hasn't run it's course. But I AM SO HAPPY I DID IT. Just so fun and it has been massively gratifying to share the positive of it with so many people who have written and expressed their feelings.

The day before I posted the video I went on pirate bay, which i had never visited and i read the guy's thign where he posts letters from media co's and artists and then his nasty and kind of hilariously chest beating responses. I thought "jesus. This guy is a piece of work. I would NEVER tangle assholes with this guy." and then I thought about it. What do I say to these people? To hope they don't make me regret putting it out there naked like this? So I wrote that little "to torrent" letter, just being a guy saying "dude. please?" it's the best I can do. If it doesn't work, well.

I've talked a few times now about reasons to buy, but the more and more we see success stories, I tend to think the simple list I have above is really a key point. Being polite, awesome and human takes you a hell of a long way towards both being able to connect... and giving people a reason to buy.

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Anonymous Coward, 13 Dec 2011 @ 2:05pm

Woot, that is the way it should work. Give the guy $5 and then torrent it so he doesn't have to pay for the bandwidth. I did the same thing when the humble indie bundle 2 came out.

Also congrats on 40k posts
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fogbugzd (profile), 13 Dec 2011 @ 2:07pm

Oh, sure. This works for nice guys who respects the fans. But this method would never work for the typical industry executive.
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Anonymous Coward, 13 Dec 2011 @ 2:12pm

Supporting an artist's ability to develop and make high quality work for you in the future... Respecting the choices of creators... Supporting a creative ecosystem... Also good reasons to buy.
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Richard (profile), 13 Dec 2011 @ 2:14pm

Old advice
Actually he is taking some rather old advice:

"But lay up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where neither moth nor rust doth corrupt, and where thieves do not break through nor steal: "
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Ryan, 13 Dec 2011 @ 2:23pm

I actually bought it and downloaded it myself. The facts that Louis is a cool guy and $5 is somewhat reasonable for an hour of this type of content definitely pushed me in that direction, but it was the lack of DRM that definitely got me to pay. I checked to make sure that it was being offered without any actual DRM before I purchased, since that would have been a huge deal breaker. So I'm definitely glad that he chose to release it that way. And I don't know who his "well-informed advice" came from that recommended against a file that's easy to use, but I don't think that he should take advice from that person anymore. At least not on the subject of digital media.
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Anonymous Coward, 13 Dec 2011 @ 2:24pm

Payment options...
Can he do it through Google Checkout, or some other "not-paypal" service? I'd like to support this, but due to their infamous anti-consumer stance, I won't use Paypal.
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Anonymous Coward, 13 Dec 2011 @ 2:30pm

Yes, all you victims out there, it pays to grovel towards those that are enslaving you by ripping you off.
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:Lobo Santo (profile), 13 Dec 2011 @ 2:34pm

Re: Old advice
So, by "Heaven" he obviously means in the cloud/internet where their digital perfection lay untarnished and nothing is stolen because perfect copies can be made at a marginal cost of nigh zero!

Hey, how about that!! The Bible has been trying to tell the MAFIAA how wrong they are the whole time; it all makes sense!
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Pirate My Music (profile), 13 Dec 2011 @ 2:44pm

This is why I love Louis CK. He's just a genuine guy who seems to care about his fans. Even dealing with Hecklers he's extraordinarily human in a day and age where being shitty to other people is the way things are done.

I will definitely be buying this once the financial black hole of christmas has passed.
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Anonymous Coward, 13 Dec 2011 @ 2:48pm

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Silly AC. The big labels don't pay attention to grovelling. They only listen to the sound of money.

What you have to do is speak directly to your fans like Louis CK. They will listen, and they will pay you back big time.
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E. Zachary Knight (profile), 13 Dec 2011 @ 2:51pm

Re:
Yes, they are IF:

1) The work is of a high quality
2) The creators respect the choices of their fans
3) The works are actually creative
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Mike Masnick (profile), 13 Dec 2011 @ 2:52pm

Re:
Yes, all you victims out there, it pays to grovel towards those that are enslaving you by ripping you off.

Well, there's your problem right there. You think that fans who want to pay to support an artist are "enslaving" that artist and ripping them off.

Maybe if you treated your own fans with a modicum of respect, you'd connect with them and wouldn't be such a failure.

Louis figured it out. Why can't you?
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Anonymous Coward, 13 Dec 2011 @ 3:04pm

Re: Re:
Maybe I've just gotten more cynical over the years, but I've been reading techdirt for 6 years or so now and I've noticed you seem a lot angrier these days Mike. Maybe it's just 'cause so much of the news you right about is the infuriating stupidity of others (not this piece, but SOPA, PIPA, etc...) and Lord knows that's gotta be stressful. Just wanna check though, you doing ok?
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Violated (profile), 13 Dec 2011 @ 3:04pm

Humans
Being polite sure wins you a lot more respect. These people are your market, fans and buyers. Running around screaming "evil thieves" and wanting to stamp them out like ants is not a way to make friends.

So as we see they can even take down the entire *distributed* media simply by asking nicely and offering a good reason. Such situations helps you to remember they are all just people here looking to enjoy themselves in a fair way.

One phrase to keep in mind though is "If you are not pirated then you are a nobody"
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Anonymous Coward, 13 Dec 2011 @ 3:04pm

Re:
Wow, really? If you torrent the video, he only gets $5 from you and then 100,000 people view the material without giving him the $5. How does Louis CK recoup the costs of production much less make a profit?
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Anonymous Coward, 13 Dec 2011 @ 3:06pm

Re: Payment options...
Due to your anti-paypal position I would like to know who you work for so I can boycott their products. I wonder where this chain will end?
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Anonymous Coward, 13 Dec 2011 @ 3:09pm

Re: Re:
Congrats AC on the successful troll. They took the bait, hook, line and sinker.
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Anonymous Coward, 13 Dec 2011 @ 3:22pm

I hope this works out for him, and he doesn't get burned by pirates. I am not a fan of his work, but I applaud his initiative. Selling directly to fans is always an option to content creators who are not bound by contractual obligations to release works through record labels, movie studios, or book publishers.
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Killercool (profile), 13 Dec 2011 @ 3:28pm

Re: Re: Re:
You don't get to post something stupid (that you actually think), and then claim it as a troll after. That's not how trolling works.
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The eejit (profile), 13 Dec 2011 @ 3:31pm

Re: Re: Old advice
Dude, you're only now catching that the Internet is a euphemism for everything?
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The eejit (profile), 13 Dec 2011 @ 3:32pm

Re: Re: Payment options...
With Captain America dead.

Oh wait...
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The eejit (profile), 13 Dec 2011 @ 3:34pm

Re:
He isn't getting burned by pirates. He's getting money for marginals from fans.
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Anonymous Coward, 13 Dec 2011 @ 3:45pm

Re: Re:
We'll see how much he makes, won't we?
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fattyboombatty, 13 Dec 2011 @ 3:48pm

Re: Re:
He's saying he downloaded it via torrent rather than the official web site, not that he uploaded the vid to the torrent site.

I did the same thing - paid the $5 and grabbed the vid from a torrent site.

he only gets $5 from you and then 100,000 people view the material without giving him the $5

These people are already torrenting the thing. Louis is being smart and giving people a reason/motivation to give him money. The whole point of this is that people are going to torrent it whether you try and stop them or not. Why not take an approach that may get you some money rather than being a douche about it
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Franklin G Ryzzo (profile), 13 Dec 2011 @ 3:54pm

Re:
It's not possible to get "burned by pirates"... File sharing does not equal lost sales. From the article:

I don't think anyone doubts that the film will end up being available from unauthorized sources. It may already be available that way. Hell, I'd bet that Louis himself expected it to show up for free pretty quickly. But the point is that the people who still "pirate" the video really don't matter. Those people were never going to pay anyway.

What this doesn't address is that many people who download the video (who weren't going to pay for it and hence wouldn't be exposed to it without unauthorized access) might actually go and pay for it because they liked it and recognize it's value. This is why the "piracy can boost sales" argument is made so frequently.

I wish Louis all the best with this project and truly appreciate his release without crippling, annoying, deal-breaking DRM. I want to give him 5 bucks just because I'm impressed with his attitude.
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Anonymous Coward, 13 Dec 2011 @ 3:55pm

Bought it...
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Anonymous Coward, 13 Dec 2011 @ 3:59pm

Re: Re: Re:
Yes we will, but that's rather orthogonal to being burned by pirates, because regardless of how much or how little he makes, he isn't being burned by pirates (unless of course he actually is being lit on fire by sea-faring robbers, which is an entirely different discussion). People who aren't going to pay for your stuff aren't going to pay for your stuff. The difference between a (copyright) pirate today and one 30 years ago is that one has the content and the other doesn't. The difference between a paying customer today and one 30 years ago is nothing (except that today most paying customers get DRM'd content rather than non-DRM'd content).
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robin, 13 Dec 2011 @ 4:20pm

Understanding
This I thought was the best thing Louis said on Reddit. Shows an intuitiveness that all of Hollywood lacks:

oh one other thing before i go. i did read what that uploader wrote and i will say it was funny to me because he seems or is acting like he's in terrible pain when he does it. he's having a crisis of concious and just... oh man i'm so sorry but I have to do this!" but the crazy thing is, if it's at all bothering him, why is he doing it?? he's sharing it, not taking it. Well, if you look at the page, it's because he's promoting his own stuff and using my project as an attractor. that's happening on youtube also. So i'm learning that SOME pirating is caused by people piggybacking their own product on another. interesting.
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dwg, 13 Dec 2011 @ 4:28pm

Re: Re: Re: Re:
Sorry to go off-topic, but this needs to be stamped at the top of the comments thread. I love ACs who give terrible commentary in bogus legalese and then claim "trolling" after like 3 rounds of fails.
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athe, 13 Dec 2011 @ 4:52pm

Re:
You see, the problem with your "reasons" is that respect only goes one way - from consumer to creator. Respect is a two-way thing though, and it is earned, it can't be expected.

Perhaps in the case of "big content" the creator has respect for the consumers, but it's a damned shame that the gatekeepers that stand between creator and consumer don't (and show it in astounding more and more draconian ways).
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DandonTRJ (profile), 13 Dec 2011 @ 5:15pm

Was waiting for this to get written up. Louis's awesome, and the note absolutely worked on me. Gladly paid him the $5 -- the fact that the system was so nice and simple (on top of affordable) was icing on the hilarious cake. I really hope this shakes out financially for him. Would love to pay for another special in the same manner down the line.
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nasch (profile), 13 Dec 2011 @ 5:58pm

reddit
I loved this comment from reddit:

"That's much more effective than asking me if I'd download a car, because I'd totally do that shit.

Who wants to put a butt-plug in Louis CK's money monster?"

Go read the comments for context. :-p
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Jeremy7600, 13 Dec 2011 @ 6:02pm

Just bought it.. I like dhow easy he made it.. really simple, and i can understand the limits on downloads and streams.

For my part, I just downloaded it, and I will be able to watch it as many times as I want.

This is a perfect example of CWF+RTB.

He totally gave me a reason to buy with his no-nonsense, straightforward approach, no DRM, and super easy buying process. I hate that paypal is involved, but I won't hold it against him. Its the other parts that sold me.
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Luptin Pitman, 13 Dec 2011 @ 6:40pm

Fail...
Terms and conditions: "We reserve the right to make changes to this Viewing Policy at any time."

So close yet so far away :(
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Anonymous Coward, 13 Dec 2011 @ 6:56pm

Re: Re: Re:
He seems more optimistic than ever to me, really.

I would think that the absolute flood of people that have started to share mike's view on SOPA and PROIP is probably really raising his morale. Not to mention the large number of people who are starting to come around, usually independently, to his ideas & business models.
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Anonymous Coward, 13 Dec 2011 @ 7:00pm

Re: Re: Payment options...
Looks like your boycott has been going on for awhile. I work in education, and from the sheer amount of abject stupidity in your post, it's evident that you have been boycotting anything to do with the application of intelligence for some time.
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Anonymous Coward, 13 Dec 2011 @ 8:12pm

Re: Re: Re: Re:
You mean the large amount of people that have been LIED to about PIPA/SOPA by Masnick and the other propagandists for the tech lobby?

So as to protect those that rip off musicians, actors and artists?

By using Goebbels-era scare tactics, no less?

Yeah, that's something alright...
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Anonymous Coward, 13 Dec 2011 @ 8:23pm

Re: Re: Re: Re:
People aren't going to pay for stuff when they can get it illegally for free.

A basic tenet of human nature that everyone on this blog tries to ignore.
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Very Bad Panda (profile), 13 Dec 2011 @ 8:53pm

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re:
Funny, I was quite capable of getting this for free, but I paid the $5 and downloaded it the other night. I did it because he was cool about it and seemed sincere, and the outtake was quite funny.

It's quite sad that your view on humanity is that they will take anything not nailed down, all as a big ol' "FU!" to you. And I thought I was cynical...
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Anonymous Coward, 13 Dec 2011 @ 9:02pm

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re:
https://buy.louisck.net/statement

110,000 people ignored human nature in the first four days of release.

He's $200k in the black.

Enjoy reevaluating what you think you know.
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Zach, 13 Dec 2011 @ 9:06pm

Great writeup
So damned heartened to see how this whole thing has unfolded. Great coverage, as well. Cheers!
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Anonymous Coward, 13 Dec 2011 @ 9:57pm

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re:
No the basic tenet of human nature is that people want to help others, and they will do so in any way they can.

Even brainless machines eventually cooperate to achieve something, because it is the easiest path to any kind of reward, that you can't see it or understand it just shows that you are not even in the "with a brain" league yet.

But people communicate with others with words with path signals to each other and when the time comes to do something about it, everybody that can will do so, people don't live in your fantasy world of monopolies that are full of people who have no empathy or regard for others and that is why you people will fail in the end, you don't know how to create unity and will fall by the sidelines eventually.
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Anonymous Coward, 13 Dec 2011 @ 10:16pm

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re:
Funny, you'd think that someone would have stepped up to refute those "lies" by now. And yet Mike's analysis has been validated by hundreds of legal practitioners, analysts, and commentators who've arrived at the same or similar conclusions. Considering these laws are available for anyone to read, it's amazing how much traction these lies have gotten! Almost like they're, I don't know, supported by the text! Yeah, that kind of lie is hard to dispel - the kind that's true. I sympathize with your frustration.
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Anonymous Coward, 13 Dec 2011 @ 10:17pm

Simple fact: I would have downloaded it either way. If it had been on HBO, I would not have paid for it. Since Louis CK offered it himself asked a reasonable payment, I paid for it. I can't say I would pay for everything I watch if all content was available this way, but I would be paying for a lot more than I do now.
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Anonymous Coward, 13 Dec 2011 @ 10:49pm

Re: Re:
Well a 100 thousand people didn't give him five and so did another 7 billion people.

7 billion in the world and he is reaching 140 thousand that is 0.00002% of the entire population of the world, if we had a global currency that was easy and secure like coins he could probably easily reach 0.02% of the population and that would be 140 million people that if they had to pay $0.01 would be $1.4 million dollars.

So I would be working on a way to translate that work to every language possible, probably using fans to do it crowd sourcing the effort, using not only Paypal, but credit cards, Flattr and that new one that only charges $0.025 per transaction and trying to get as much exposure as possible, because he could be doing better, this was a timid attempt, that has much, much more room for growth.
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Mike Masnick (profile), 13 Dec 2011 @ 11:58pm

Re: Re: Re: Re:
He seems more optimistic than ever to me, really.

Yup. It's an incredibly exciting time. My only frustration is with people who still are in denial.
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PaulT (profile), 14 Dec 2011 @ 1:28am

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re:
"People aren't going to pay for stuff when they can get it illegally for free."

Yeah, that's why Avatar flopped, Skyrim made nothing and the Humble Bundle never made any money.

Wait...
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PaulT (profile), 14 Dec 2011 @ 1:34am

OK, I'm holding off for one thing before I pay the money and I just want to check this out...

The T&Cs state "Downloading: You may download the Program to two compatible download devices."

So, I presume that there's DRM on the files you download. Does anyone have the info on the formats, DRM format, etc. being used? I'll be downloading on a different device to the one I'd play back on, and my home internet's not working right now so streaming's not an option.

Thanks.

(Quick note to Louis CK: whatever DRM you're using, it will have been stripped and an unprotected copy is out there for the pirates. You're either stopping people like me from being willing to pay, or limiting their use of their purchased product, by applying the DRM - while placing no restriction on the pirates. Please don't do this for your next release!)
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ThatAVGuy (profile), 14 Dec 2011 @ 2:17am

Re:
There is no DRM - Have downloaded it myself - think he's just confusing his words - What you can download is a Hi-Def version or a standard Def version - Both video files, not programs.

:-)
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PaulT (profile), 14 Dec 2011 @ 2:38am

Re: Re:
Excellent, in that case I'll go for it :)
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frosty840, 14 Dec 2011 @ 5:30am

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re:
A hundred and ten thousand people, in four days, in this single example that is the subject of this post could have gotten this for free, but did not.

Hello, welcome to basic reading comprehension...
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Handyman, 14 Dec 2011 @ 5:41am

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re:
I too am a freak of nature as I paid $5 for this one.

I don't torrent games as steam makes it easier and safer to get, I've purchased 131 games in the past year on steam. Which is odd as I've only had time eto finish three of them.

I don't have decent access to music, movies or television in my country, so I get these from alternate sources. Make it easy for me and I'll reward you with my custom, make it hard and i'll find something that works... THIS is human nature.
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Vincent Clement (profile), 14 Dec 2011 @ 6:15am

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re:
Really? Despite the wide availability of "free", Apple seems to be doing fine selling music through iTunes.
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Anonymous Coward, 14 Dec 2011 @ 6:27am

Re:
If you want people to pay for abstract concepts, perhaps you should try selling those.

In this case you are selling music/video. The DRM free and the low price are the reasons to buy. The things you mentioned would fall more in the connecting with fans portion of the equation. And just so it is clear, you don't "connect with fans" in court where you are suing them for millions of dollars.
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Hephaestus (profile), 14 Dec 2011 @ 7:00am

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re:
Huge part of human nature, is that individuals believe other people will act the same way they do. So if you are a liar, a thief, take advantage of people for a living, and always deal with people that act the same way, you believe everyone else is the same way. If you look at the content industry, you have a group of individuals that have been doing this for over 100 years. This way of thinking has become part of their culture. It defines their actions. You can see it historically in their reaction to the player piano, radio, VCR, DAT, CD, mp3, and internet. They attack it like someone is going to use this technology to take advantage of them.
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Benjo (profile), 14 Dec 2011 @ 8:40am

Reasonably priced + quality non-DRM'd content + simple delivery = Win?
I'm all for supporting a performer that I enjoy watching, so there is definitely a feel good factor that goes in to this. However, the risk/reward of 5$ on a non-DRM stand up special of a comedian I've already listened to (so I know I have liked at least some of his stuff) is actually by itself too hard to ignore. Content creators need to pay attention to cases like this and re-evaluate if they want to work with the traditional gatekeepers that seem perfectly fine with never adapting.
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Anonymous Coward, 14 Dec 2011 @ 9:14am

You know, I don't really know anything about this guy;
however, I am going to buy this video to give it a shot. He sounds like a pretty cool, approachable guy.

Hopefully I will get a laugh or two out of it.
At the same time, I am supporting the future of other artists taking the same path. He has made it easy for me to get his material for a reasonable price, and made it as easily accessible as possible.

Kudos to Mr CK!
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Joe Publius (profile), 14 Dec 2011 @ 9:31am

Re: Reasonably priced + quality non-DRM'd content + simple delivery = Win?
And for me, who has not yet listened to his material, $5 for an hour show is a price that's pretty irresistable. I'm seriously giving a purchase a thought.
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JEDIDIAH, 14 Dec 2011 @ 9:39am

Re: Re: Payment options...
Perhaps he is just someone that has been victimized by some thief that used Paypal as their gateway. He was subject to an obvious fraud and perhaps thinks Paypal chose to benefit from the situation rather than take basic steps to prevent fraud.
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JEDIDIAH, 14 Dec 2011 @ 9:41am

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You live in a sad world.

Not everyone thinks or acts like Music Industry Executives.
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Anonymous Coward, 14 Dec 2011 @ 11:55am

Re: Re:
True, but the cost for me to torrent it is 0 to him. There is no cost for the upload bandwidth he has to pay. So instead of me giving him $5 and having it cost a nickle to dl from the site, he gets $5 and gets to keep all of it(well all of it minus fees from processors etc). Also since I seed till %1000 or more, there is a greater bandwidth available for others to get it faster. All of this at no cost to Louis. If the people who I seed parts to do not pay for it, that is their choice.

So not only does he not have to pay for the Bandwidth for my sale but he is also not paying for the Bandwidth of others. So his net cost per sale drops(meaning his profit per sale increases). That is how he recoups the cost FASTER with me paying and torrenting, then he would get with me just downloading from his site.

You should try reading comprehension skills as this was stated in my first post, though in a less comprehensive fashion.
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DCX2, 14 Dec 2011 @ 12:08pm

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People aren't going to pay for stuff when they can get it illegally for free.

blah, blah.

iTunes. Steam. Netflix. etc.

Next!
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nasch (profile), 14 Dec 2011 @ 12:19pm

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So I would be working on a way to translate that work to every language possible

Does stand-up comedy translate very well?
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