The List Of Internet Censoring Countries The MPAA Thinks Provide A Good Example For The US
from the um,-really? dept
As we continue the fight over SOPA and PROTECT IP (PIPA), the MPAA and the politicians supporting these bills are ratcheting up the ridiculousness. You may recall that we recently highlighted the absolutely ridiculous paper by Daniel Castro for the shill shop ITIF, supposedly responding to SOPA/PIPA critics, but really showing just how weak and ridiculous the arguments on the pro-censorship side are. One of the points Castro raises is that DNS filtering "works." How does he know? Because, he points out, thirteen countries already do DNS filtering and research from Harvard suggests not too many people try to get around the filters.Of course, Castro doesn't happen to name those thirteen countries, so you have to go digging for them, which is how you come up with the following list:
- China
- Iran
- United Arab Emirates
- Armenia
- Ethiopia
- Saudi Arabia
- Yemen
- Bahrain
- Burma (Myanmar)
- Syria
- Turkmenistan
- Uzbekistan
- Vietnam
But, more to the point: is this really the list of countries that Lamar Smith, Patrick Leahy, the MPAA and Daniel Castro think that the US ought to go about emulating? Really?
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Comparing the United States and its enforcement of intellectual property rights on the internet to those countries that practice actual censorship, i.e., governmental blocking of speech because of the message being conveyed, is idiotic. You obviously have no shame, Mike. Nonetheless, shame on you for continuing with the over-the-top rhetorical nonsense.
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The troll is strong with this one. 9/10
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thirteen countries already do DNS filtering
Is what the text was about, "governmental blocking of speech" is what you inferred when you read the list, as you should have. And that you make the link in your head immediately and comment on it is more telling than any propaganda Mike may be putting forth.
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I'm happy to talk about these issues with you, but you need to drop the copycat persona first.
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But don't worry, SOPA won't censor.
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It is idiotic. SOPA only addresses foreign sites. US law allows remedies against domestic sites already. The absurd notion that the US will engage in political censorship is beyond idiotic. The tools are there already. But aren't being used. Those countries listed above are using blocking to stifle political speech. Castro's point is that the same set of tools can be used to stop infringing. Just like a gun can be used to hunt deer or kill people. The tool is not inherently good or bad, only its usage. Nice try linking the bills to dictatorships. But no one buys it, and everyone realizes it another act of futile desperation.
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[des-per-it, -prit
adjective
1. reckless or dangerous because of despair or urgency: a desperate killer.
2. having an urgent need, desire, etc.: desperate for attention.
3. leaving little or no hope; very serious or dangerous: a desperate illness.
4. extremely bad; intolerable or shocking: clothes in desperate taste.
5. extreme or excessive.
Yes, those opposing SOPA are desperate. We wish to avoid reckless, dangerous, extremely bad, intolerable, excessive legislation.
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The tools they have in place now are indeed already being used, and if they get China's stronger censorship tools, they will be used too. They will use them in any way that they want, since they have control of them. You're right, a gun by itself isn't evil. That doesn't mean we need the mafiaa and their stooge government reps pointing them at us.
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> political censorship is beyond idiotic
Yeah, 'cause that hasn't already happened with the DMCA.
Oh, wait...
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You must not pay a lot of attention to the outside world. They are used all the time. Some of those abuses have get posted to Youtube all the time. Some of them have even been written about on this site.
Those countries listed above are using blocking to stifle political speech. Castro's point is that the same set of tools can be used to stop infringing. Just like a gun can be used to hunt deer or kill people.
The tools only "work" because of the very real fear of possible torture or death. Without that fear, those tools would be effectively useless.
Just like a gun can be used to hunt deer or kill people. The tool is not inherently good or bad, only its usage.
Willfully ignoring that some people actually use guns to kill people. Every tool ever invented has been abused by someone. Every law ever crafted has been abused by someone. So when people point out the numerous ways this bill might be abused, or misinterpreted, and we hear "nobody would ever do that" pardon the rest of us if we don't believe them.
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Says you. Me, I say that we can gauge what corporations will do with this power by looking at what they've done when given too much power in the past. And what they've done in the past is remarkably consistent: they've abused it for their financial gain. It's hardly idiotic to expect such behavior this time around too.
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This is true, regardless of the impetus behind that filtering by those regimes.
I, personally, would not want my elected representatives aligning my country with such regimes, rather that they should set a higher standard for us, we should aim to be the best (for a given value of 'best'), rather than look to the morass for the sake of easy fund-raising, and the potential for a future job as lobbyist.
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Comparing the United States and its enforcement of intellectual property rights on the internet to those countries that practice actual censorship, i.e., governmental blocking of speech because of the message being conveyed,
Clearly intellectual property enforcement overlaps political censorship - as numerous abuses of the DMCA (most recently by UMG wrt Megaupload - but also on many occasions by the so called "Church" of Scientology) have demonstrated.
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Exactly, the MPAA shill piece was idiotic.
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read slower.
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Speaking only for myself, I have no (Zero) faith that this and other forthcoming laws wont erode the freedoms granted by the constitution.
All to protect some failing business practice.
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UMG just proved how they pretend to use it, ICE just show everybody how they pretend to use it and the legislators responsible for it know exactly how it will be used, they just don't care selling out freedom.
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Agreed. Mike, you have reached a point where not only are you trying to hard, but you are actually starting to hurt your cause.
Even a simple minded person can understand that SOPA doesn't make the US repressive like China. Why you even try to go there is beyond me.
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Sorry, I missed something - what rights are being taken away? Don't say "free speech" because trafficking in pirated and counterfeit goods isn't protected speech, sorry!
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So...free speech on any platform not owned by the person speaking (since all other platforms, that allow user-submission, may well be blocked because of the scope of action allowed by SOPA and PIPA) is being 'stolen,' or, rather, denied.
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There is no legal assurance of free speech at all times, in all places, on all privately owned "platforms". Sorry.
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I am a big believer in the idea that you should know where you are posting, where you are hanging out, and not to hang out in an "internet crack house" and expect not to get hassled by the law.
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Like that's not going to be abused because "trust us, we're moneymen!"
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oh wait.
well at least we dont try to charge people with treason for doing things like stopping massacres in far east villiges like that one helicopter pilo-
no we tried to do that too...
hey! we never put civil rights leaders in-
no....
well our politicians have never accepted a-
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thats what people think when you open your bribed out the ### mouth.
the artist dont support you.
the people dont support you.
you are an un american shill that loves the hell out of repressive regimes and you even suck at hiding that.
why dont you and below adverage joe go help them? and while your at it take the entire damn political system with you.
i remember when people used to get hanged for doing things like this...
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Then why doesn't Castro list the countries he's referring to, boy?
Because he doesn't DARE!
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> enforcement of intellectual property rights
> on the internet to those countries that
> practice actual censorship is idiotic.
It isn't Mike that's making the comparison, genius. It's Castro and his friends at the **AAs.
> You obviously have no shame, Mike.
You mean like the shame you should have for completely misconstruing the article and placing the blame for the comparison on someone who points it out rather than the person who actually made it?
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The part of the article I quoted is Mike asking if we really want to be compared to those countries. I'm tying that statement in with Mike's general position that this is censorship and we're just like China. I wasn't confusing Mike's argument for Castro's, but thanks for recognizing my "genius."
You mean like the shame you should have for completely misconstruing the article and placing the blame for the comparison on someone who points it out rather than the person who actually made it?
The one misconstruing my post is you. Nice try though. Maybe you're "get me" next time.
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Why do you lie? I never said that we're "just like China." I asked if this was really a list that we want to hold ourselves up to as good examples... and if we want to be added to that list.
Elsewhere you have shown that you're a despicable, sad American in saying that you have no problem being on this list. As far as I'm concerned, you are now a complete joke. For the rest of your life, please remember that you advocated that the US fits well on the list of countries above.
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Spare me the rhetoric. I know it works on your pirate friends, but I'm immune. Being on that list doesn't mean a thing if we're on the list for a different purpose. Unlike you, I realize that context matters.
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Oh wow dude. I didn't realize how truly broken you are. Even though I can see now that nothing said to you by someone with an opposing point of view will ever be allowed to sink in, please allow me to try:
Context can matter, yes. But sometimes it does not. In this case, the context is moot. Censorship is completely anti-American, even a child knows that.
Mike does not compare the U.S. to China in a good "woohoo, we're getting to be more like China" way, but you on the other hand claim that you have no problem with being seen to emulate China and others on that list. You, not Mike, should be truly ashamed.
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So...reverse you whole position I guess?
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Yes. So we agree that Daniel Castro's paper is idiotic.
You obviously have no shame, Mike. Nonetheless, shame on you for continuing with the over-the-top rhetorical nonsense.
I didn't make the comparison. I think the person you mean to be calling out is Castro.
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They all need to be censored.
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I do see evidence of the government gaining new powers through scare words like "terrorism" or "rouge sites" and then abusing their new powers by using them to go after ordinary citizens.
What recourse do the wrongly accused have against those whom do abuse the bill? All I see is a section granting immunity to those who may be accomplices to any first amendment violations.
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What recourse do you think rights holders who are having their rights trampled should have? Apparently you think they should have none and that's it OK to violate other people's rights without penalty. I don't agree.
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I care that the non circumvention provision won't work and seems to outlaw protocols that make the internet work. I especially care that some in our legislature want to pass another broad new power (anti circumvention) that could be selectively applied to practically anyone who has ever used the internet.
The tactic of outlawing everyone and then applying the law selectively is an anathema to liberty.
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Really? A "rogue site" losing only 1/3 of its traffic (much of which will have been from countries where its actions were completely legal) is a success for you? It doesn't sound like anything's been "stopped" to me, except perhaps activity that is perfectly legal where the site operates from.
"What recourse do you think rights holders who are having their rights trampled should have?"
Any recourse that does not attempt to enforce US law on the entire planet, destroy the rights of innocent parties or undermine legitimate competition. They are welcome to suggest such recourse if they wish - the bills on the table are not it.
"Apparently you think they should have none and that's it OK to violate other people's rights without penalty."
Whereas you apparently think that the rights of a few corporations whose flawed and horribly dated business models are the root of their problems should take precedence over those of both the general public and legitimate competitors to their failing businesses.
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I think you're right. It will likely spill over to the "mascara sites" then ultimately hit the "lipstick sites" as well.
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I think you're right. It will likely spill over to the "mascara sites" then ultimately hit the "lipstick sites" as well.
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Once bureaucrats get their hands on a shiny new law they immediately go to work expanding its scope. Preferable to infinity. That applies the both genus of bureaucrat -- ones allegedly working for the people (government) and ones working in the private sector (large to too-big-to-fail) private sector ones.
A bureaucracy, as a parasite, has one goal only. To expand until it swallows its host. Often morphing along the way to resemble the host so much that very few notice the change.
SOPA anyone?
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Actually, having spoken to dozens of Congressional reps at this point, more and more are recognizing my very legitimate concerns, and the fact that they have nothing whatsoever to do with "protecting piracy." Seriously. Why would I want to "protect piracy"? It makes no sense.
Also of interest is that the contingent within the State Department who recognizes how horrible this bill is is growing. They seem to recognize that this has nothing to do with piracy at all, and that this bill undermines nearly everything they've done on internet freedom.
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Too bad the boss lady disagrees. Try reading both Rep Berman's letter to Sec. Clinton her response for a little context.
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And that's why you have no business representing the law in this country.
I understand the difference between the bad kind of censorship and the kind that SOPA envisions
Sad that people like yourselves are unable to comprehend the First Amendment.
All of this silliness about comparing us to North Korea and such just rings hollow with me. Taking down a few rogue sites is not the demise of the First Amendment.
Most respected legal scholars disagree with you.
Give me a break.
No, I will not give you a break, when you are plainly advocating an unconstitutional position that I find abhorrent. It's disgusting frankly.
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If there are enough procedural protections in place, then these copyright laws do not violate the First Amendment. Pretending that anything we do to minimize piracy presents a First Amendment violation makes you look silly.
I am ONLY for a solution that completely takes the First Amendment into consideration. Unlike you, I don't pretend that no such solution exists.
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Well done, you've inadvertently identified one of the major problems people have with these bills - the lack of due process and accountability for those making false accusations. So far, the Procedural protections" would appear to be "after your domain has been kicked off the internet, you now have to prove your innocence".
"I am ONLY for a solution that completely takes the First Amendment into consideration"
As are the rest of us. Welcome.
"Unlike you, I don't pretend that no such solution exists."
No such solution is part of the proposals currently being discussed, hence the objections.
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What exactly is the "lack of due process" in these bills? There's notice, there's opportunity for a hearing. That's due process. And that process makes it not a violation of the First Amendment as well. Obviously the government can take down websites devoted to piracy. That's not even debatable. The issue is how much process is necessary to comport with the Due Process Clause and the First Amendment. I think these bills have enough process to do just that. If you disagree, then please explain what other process would be necessary.
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It says that the Attorney General or a qualifying plaintiff must first attempt to commence an action in personam. Sections 102(b)(1) and 103(b)(1). Of course, that procedure follows the Federal Rules of Civil Procedure (FRCP) for service of process, and in fact SOPA contains detailed rules about serving notice. Sections 102(b)(3) and 103(b)(3). Those procedures clearly do not violate the Due Process Clause. They afford the defendant adequate notice and a meaningful hearing to take place BEFORE an injunction issues.
Next, only if after due diligence the defendant cannot be found, then an in rem action against the property is commenced. Sections 102(b)(2) and 103(b)(2). The in rem action is similarly governed by the FRCP and the Supplemental Rules (plus the rules in SOPA about notice). And those rules clearly satisfy the Due Process Clause by affording the defendant adequate notice and a meaningful hearing BEFORE the injunction issues.
If the defendant does not show up and defend the case, that's certainly not because there is a lack of process. It's because that defendant chooses not to defend themselves. And when defendants don't show up to defend themselves, the court will still enter a judgment against them. So long as the notice and procedures were adequate--which they are when the FRCP govern as they do here--then that judgment comports with the Due Process Clause.
I'm sorry, but a defaulting under SOPA is not a Due Process violation.
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Their supposed right to make obscene amounts of money without having to adjust their business models to the modern world. Sorry, I can't see that one in the bill of rights, maybe you can point it out to me?
"I for one don't think it's OK for people to violate other people's rights without an repercussions."
Good, then as I said, maybe you'll join me in opposing the attempts to violate peoples rights to due process, free speech and access to a free market in order to protect profits by some corporations? Surely, you should at least be against the blatant abuses of the DMCA and actions by ICE that remove rights without any kind of trial or right to defence? The attempts to extort money from people in a "settlement" without any real evidence that they've done anything wrong. Remember, most of these things have happened even without the additional powers granted by SOPA, et al.
"Obviously the government can take down websites devoted to piracy. "
Define "devoted to piracy". Would that be "rogue" websites like archive.org and Megaupload that have hundreds of legitimate uses but have still been labelled otherwise by the legacy industries? Would that be site like Rojadirecta, which are 100% legal in their home countries, but still get sanctioned because they have the audacity to use a $10 .com domain? The laws don't seem to provide a reasonable and binding definition, but provide plenty of wiggle room by corporations who wish to preserve their outdated practices at the expense of competition.
"That's not even debatable."
We disagree on that. What a surprise.
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No it's worse, you pretend that there is.
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And because mike engaged your comment, you will continue to masturbate furiously with one hand whilst refreshing the page with the other.
Address the merits of that.
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You have no idea what piracy represents. You haven't a clue why people might pirate. You have nothing in regards to a clue about how sopa is damaging to freedoms that people hold dear. You are a morally bankrupt person looking to use copyright as a get rich quick scheme.
That is the most deplorable thing anyone could advocate. Chris Dodd does it for a million a year. Yet, you do it for free. What is your excuse, other than a statutory right, in advocating censorship and going against the Constitution you swore to uphold?
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Inalienable as they may be, they are not absolute. They never have been since that Amendment was ratified. If it's not absolute, it has limits. It has to make way when it bumps into other people's rights. And where those limits are drawn--where one looks to find out the contours of the First Amendment--is to jurisprudence and doctrine. That's what I'm doing. The idea that enough procedure makes it constitutionally adequate is not mine. My argument is descriptive--meaning I'm simply explaining the law as it currently and actually exists. That's all I ever usually argue. If me explaining Supreme Court doctrine makes me "morally bankrupt," then I can only surmise that you're just clueless. Sorry, dude. Your beef is with two centuries of jurisprudence and doctrine, not with me.
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Kinda like when Boston banned Lady Chatterly's Lover because it might, just might, mind you, offend someone. If it walks like a duck, talks like a duck, shits like a duck and drops feathers everywhere like a duck it must then be a duck no matter what else you want to call it.
Add to that the notion that not too many get around the filters, as we found from the demonstrations in Iran recently it doesn't take many to get through or to get the message out or other ones in. Just because it's not often does doesn't mean that it isn't done.
If it isn't done, say, in China, then a large number of people in Shanghai must be psychic because they know far top much about things The Great Firewall of Chine filters out to be otherwise. Things business people in Shanghai need to know to do business but that bureaucrats in Beijing think might undermine the regime but the business people consider vital for their business. As long as they don't act on that knowledge politically everyone is happy, particularly if they make tons of money which makes other bureaucrats in Beijing very, very happy.
(Before you ask yes, I'm suggesting that in China you buy bureaucrats to keep you and your business "safe" rather than the western model of buying influential politicians. It all comes out the same in the end.)
I hope you're enjoying your time off from law school, AJ, and I definitely hope you write papers with better arguments in them than your posts here.
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Censorship is not a function of due process. It's censorship whether there's due process or not (under the broad definition of the word). Comparing this to China or North Korea is ridiculous because the kind of censorship that goes on there is different. Pretending for even one second that SOPA brings about that kind of censorship undermines the problems of actual censorship. It's intentional, over-the-top rhetoric from Mike. Apparently he feels he can't get his message across without sounding like a conspiracy theorist or a writer for the National Enquirer.
I hope you're enjoying your time off from law school, AJ, and I definitely hope you write papers with better arguments in them than your posts here.
Snore.
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When a private person can complain something is "infringing" without notice and notification and a web site is sjhut down and its funding cut off IS a denial of due process whether or not it's dubiously legal because it's in SOPA/PIPA.
And no, I'm not comparing the States to China or North Korea but you've fixated on that. The point of that comparison is to show you, and others, the fine, upstanding select company the United States will be in when it starts DNS filtering should these bills pass and become law.
It doesn't undermine the problems of real censorship. Denial that something could lead to that result undermines it, mind you. Recent history illustrates that well enough (and to me recent is the last 300 years. say, from the beginning of the Enlightenment to the present).
And I'm glad I was able to help you on your way to your nap. At least it got a cogent response from you even if I strongly disagree on every point you raise.
Now, at least we can have a discussion.
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This statement is simply untrue. Only DOJ can "shut down" a site and that process requires notice (affording a hearing if site owner wishes) and conducted under existing US civil law procedures.
Suspension of payment services also requires a court order and provides another opportunity for a hearing before being invoked. Today, under current US law and the terms of service of every payment processor, a foreign or domestic website can be suspended over allegations of infringing or counterfeiting.
John, you're entitled to your own opinion, but not your own facts.
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If I'm factually wrong on one item I apologize but only by a little. There is no valid process serving on any civil law complaints anywhere internationally that I'm aware of and only rarely in criminal cases. So to that extent I stand on the statement of no notification (valid and legal notification if you prefer) but I stand on that statement. United States civil or criminal courts have no jurisdiction outside of the United States, it's territories and possessions. None. Zero.
As for the company the United States gets to keep in doing DNS filtering, well, you do get judged, rightly or wrongly by the company you keep. And it this case it's not good company for a country founded on and still insistent on freedom and liberty in a large number of those it's now keeping company with.
If you cant' see the disconnect, I can't help you.
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I think you can see where this goes.
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The hearing should be the default, before any action is taken and the accused party given enough time to create a defense.
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Pretending for even one second that, if either of these shitty laws pass, that they won't be abused to censor websites that your lot claims over and over won't be targeted makes you simply a liar. In my opinion you have sunk as low as you can go, and you no longer have anything reasonable to offer to a sane conversation.
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i.e. these are being held as examples of how DNS filtering can and should work to make the SOPA and PROTECT IP bills viable.
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Remember the National Security letters. Remember the debacle when it was discovered that the FBI was using them when they had no justification to do so? Remember the warrantless wiretapping program (where AT&T gave the NSA unlimited access to internet traffic without judicial oversight) that went undiscovered until a whistle blower finally went to the media? More recently our government has begun to seize domains of alleged copyright violators and, in the process, has brought down hundreds of websites that have nothing to do with the alleged infringement. What about the music blog dajaz1.com? It was seized by ICE for over a year. Despite constant attempts to rectify the situation by the owner and his attorney they were never able to get an answer from the government, never went before a judge, never saw a warrant, never got a straight answer as to why the site was seized. A year later the government dropped the case and returned ownership of the site to the original owner with no explanation whatsoever. It never hosted any infringing materials.
My point is this: If you give them power they will abuse it. It doesn't matter what it's intended purpose, if you make it available it will be used and misused.
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Oh... or did you just read the list itself, not the article, and start criticizing ignorantly?
Man I'm so proud of the people in this country.
It's called READING. Shut up for a minute and try it sometime.
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Hahaha!
Bullshit may be funny bullshit, but it's still mostly bullshit.
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Hey, it works.
Yikes.
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Also I believe that only the leaders and the really rich can afford Internet access & computers in North Korea.
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Sopa enables it, that's the problem. By extending the patriot act the government has already shown it won't relinquish power if they get there hands on it and there are several cases where they use it in manners that were not intended by the bill.
If it can be abused, it will be abused. always.
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SOPA doesn't enable it. BULLSHIT.
[citation needed]., because your post is weak. Nothing is SOPA turns the US into China.
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- http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/news/2011/12/judge-gives-umg-24-hours-to-explain-takedown-spree.a rs
- https://torrentfreak.com/universal-censors-megaupload-song-gets-branded-a-rogue-label-111210/
- http://medieklipp.torvund.net/2011/04/17/doctors-use-dmca-to-censor-bad-reviews/
- http://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2009/01/fox-news-censors-political-expression
- http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20091103/1839446788.shtml
- http://www.phphosts.org/blog/2011/07/dmca-takedown-used-to-try-to-silence-science-blogger-providing- comet-facts/
The DMCA that is weaker than SOPA is already used for censorship purposes and wildly abused, and people contemplate giving more power to morons to abuse it even further?
Unbelievable.
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Nobody said it does. The concern is that it makes it easier for the US to become more repressive, and more repressive is exactly the direction that government & corporations clearly would love the US to go.
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No, this isn't America's first foray into real or probable censorship it is, outside of wartime, the first time it's been supported by the highest offices in the States. Before it was just publisher and motion pictures and recordings that had to dance around certain things and discussions or a temporary aberration like the 1950's witch hunts. (I do miss the train going into the tunnel at full steam at the climax of love scenes though! )
No, it's a time for sadness and a time to express support for Americans opposed to this kind of erosion. Particularly when the other side of the discussion is carried by people acting on behalf of private commercial gain instead of the public good or by spreading needless fear and anxiety as what is happening now with the Patriot Act.
You don't defend liberty by taking it away. No matter the excuse for doing so.
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"U.S. CONGRESS LISTENS ATTENTIVELY AS CASTRO INSTRUCTS ON NEW LAW"
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http://www.hightechforum.org/my-dns-filtering-research-before-house-sopa-panel/
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From a "policy analyst" who works for an MPAA-sponsored outfit?
No thanks. Let's talk to actual engineers who actually have experience with the internet.
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Did you have a seventh grader write that for you?
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This is starting to feel like old home week from the SCO vs Novell, IBM, Linux as a whole, and the rest of the planet where Ou, like Cleland, had awarded SCO a victory long before it died, well, just because what SCO said HAD to be true.
Technically Ou was as out to lunch there than he is in this this article. Ou, like those he accuses of being wrong is acting as much on faith as he does on technical reality.
Kinda like a loosely worded paragraph offered up an an amendment, for example, will have any practical value where DNSSEC is concerned. We know how well that works when we encounter the subspecies of bureaucrat called East Texas patent court judges. Keeping in mind that a bureaucracy's only goal is to grow and expand itself.
Ou's taking to task the very people who wrote DNS and DNSSEC would be amusing except that someone will actually take him seriously. FINALLY, they'll say, a techie that agrees with us! Except that Ou's opinions are for sale to the highest bidder if his track record is any indication.
Oh, and most people landing on at least some of these sites are "victims" is nice turn of events in all of this. Except, except that SOPA won't slow the sales of counterfeit drugs any more than it will slow "infringement" of Hollywood's mostly questionable products. And I say that more with sadness than any sort of smug happiness. Until drug prices come down to earth people will go looking for the best deal they can find and, if desperate enough, even unbelievable deals. What was fairly open will go underground, complete with code words and phrases and the whack a mole game will really start in earnest. Desperate people will still find those drugs, and desperate people will continue to die or be crippled by the effects of those fakes. But it's not gonna stop it.
Just what part of that reality do you and other supporters of SOPA/PIPA not understand?
Oh, that now welfare case in a chronic care bed till s/he dies because s/he deserves it cause their a criminal?
That Hollywood will be back in a year of two wanting more, like any good addict, of a their legislation drug cause their earnings still don't match what they THINK the earnings should be? (All while they continue to move heaven and earth NOT to pay the creative people they constantly say they're representing?)
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It also makes me think of a soap party (or a blanket party as it is formally called).
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Doesn't work well in China
The fact is, they do not even seem to know what they are talking about.
In China, talk to anyone who uses the computer in a regular basis to find a way to get around the Great Firewall of China.
We use VPNs, proxies, DNS redirects, and other enhancements.
Try this link to see about how they block. It is China's most popular search engine, and it shows how China has blocked speech it doesn't like (In this example, it is a search for "Tankman", which is an illegal topic in China). Similar to the way the US government has attempted to block Wikileaks.
Now, try this link, which is a simple Google search on how to bypass the Great firewall of China. You will notice it is rather easy to do as you delve into it (But warning, if you get caught, you can get in trouble). Here is one of the better articles that goes to show the ultimate futility.
It just goes to show that all of this will ultimately fail. Lets face it, Castro is wrong. It does not work. Maybe our grandparents will not be able to get around it, but I guarantee your kids will.
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You can claim the blocked material targets are different, but the methods for implementation are the same.
Want me to have our Chinese engineers explain it to you?
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Yeah, right! That might work in Vegas, but the Internet knows. And it remembers. When Skynet finally DOES go live, the first thing it'll do is kill those that understand how it works - it'll leave the politicos and the ignorant for ruling over.
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MPAA is a terrorist!
MPAA LEAVE THE USA, YOUR ANTI USA AND ANTI AMERICAN!
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Seriously, MPAA has crap for evidence of any damn thing they claim. Its becoming so bad, you just want to reach out and slap the hell out of the idiot who comes up with there arguements, statistics, and studies.
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DNS blocking
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