New Anti-SOPA Song & Crowdsourced Video From Dan Bull
from the sopa-can-ban-ya dept
We've written about UK singer Dan Bull a bunch of times, highlighting his various songs that often cover copyright issues. His latest is an anti-SOPA song and video, called SOPA Cabana (take a wild guess what that's a reference to). Check out the video here first, and read on below about the video and why it's interesting (beyond the music/lyrics):Firstly, it threatens the future of the internet, which is something far more valuable both commercially and socially than the entertainment industry ever has been, or ever will be.Perhaps even more interesting, however, is how the song and video came together. After deciding he wanted to write a song about SOPA, he reached out to his followers on Twitter, asking for "help with themes and lyrics." After getting a bunch of ideas, and realizing he should do something different for the video, he went on Facebook and asked for volunteers to take photos of themselves holding up signs with the various lyrics... and tons and tons of people jumped at the chance. The whole video was put together over the last few hours, and the whole effort is pretty impressive.
Secondly, creativity is all about interpreting and re-imagining what you see and hear around you. The idea that creativity exists in some kind of vacuum, and that you're not a real artist unless you can make something "completely original" is not only stupid, it contradicts the most fundamental axioms of how the universe works. Everything is influenced by something else. If we want a richer cultural landscape, we should embrace remixes, embrace mashups, and embrace sharing, not cling to ideas as pieces of property.
Thirdly, the internet is an amazing new forum for free speech and holding those in power us to account. The idea that governments and even private corporations can police the internet and decide what people on a global scale are allowed to say and hear is tyrannical.
Dan Bull is a musician. The entertainment industry and the lobbyists supporting SOPA insist that they're doing this to protect people like Dan Bull -- but Dan is quite reasonably scared of what this law will do to his ability to succeed online. Dan Bull is as well known as he is because of the internet, and his ability to share his works wherever and however he likes. SOPA would make that a lot more difficult. It doesn't "protect" Dan Bull. It helps destroy the careers of folks like Dan Bull by limiting their ability to create, promote, distribute and communicate.
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Arthur C. Clarke.
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What Clarke said was:
Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic
Robert J. Hanlon is credited with the following:
Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity.
Your pseudo-quote is a wonderful remix of the two.
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Further, "Ich bin eine goddam I'm hungry, when's lunch?"
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Deny all you want, it will not change anything - certainly not anyone's opinion of this bill, government, or the labels.
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Now all he has to do to collect it is make us believe him.
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Yes, because we all know that government and industry have a long history of being so altruistic. History is not plagued with government malice and abuse. Most governments are so altruistic and even though clearly nefarious and malicious governments exist we must blindly accept that the U.S. government is somehow different against all intuition and evidence.
Sorry, you are wrong. Outside of the Internet the government - industrial complex already wrongfully denies competition the means to compete through all sorts of government established monopolies. From taxi cab monopolies to broadcasting monopolies to cableco monopolies to laws that deter restaurants and other venues from hosting independent performers without paying a parasitic third party licensing fees under the pretext that someone might infringe, to insane copy protection lengths and retroactive extensions designed to prevent previous content from competing with new content, the evidence suggests you are wrong.
Also see
http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20111219/10435717129/opinion-piece-cbs-says-chris-dodd-should-b e-fired-his-intransigent-position-sopapipa.shtml#c622
for more evidence. Sorry, you are wrong, obviously so.
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They're not doing it because they're "eveil like the deveil", they're doing it to try to make sure they're the only distribution game in town.
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"Against stupidity the Gods Themselves contend in vain."
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I am really Jordan Kratz the only present Punk rocker who grew up in the original 1970's scene of Boston and NYC !
I am sharing a bunch of music as I give away all the music I have put out and I do allow filesharing,use on blogs,people using my music to make their own videos on youtube,etc.
I love how I am downloaded almost every day by someone and I usually seed on TPB,BTJUNKIE,etc using the public trackers.
See The GoreHounds,The Transplants (1976-79 bosotn),The Lynn Rebels, and big Meat Hammer Maine's oldest punk band(Formed 1989).
These Bigwig Labels would love to shut down everyone of us who has not signed with them.
Good luck Buttheads cause more likely those who Vote this one in will live out their lives in Infamy and will not get re-elected and people may even wake up and finally see you for what you truly are.
I never wanted to sign with a big label and never would even for a million bucks !!!
I am serious.An old school punker like me does not lie and obviously would hate these labels and my hate has gone on since the late 70's.
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And, like music, or films, some mutations were good, and some were bad: The "bad" ones have died away (think, Neanderthal), but the "good" ones have survived (Homo Sapiens). Likewise, bad remixes die off quickly, while good ones live on.
It's just how the Universe works. The Universe is a remix!
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Of course not. I'd copy a really big Star. Then I could watch it go Supernova, collapse into itself and form a Black Hole.
It want the full story, not just the lousy Hollywood rehash.
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Isn't that what the Large Hadron Collider is doing?
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HOME BLACK HOLES ARE KILLING ASTRONOMY!
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Aka, I am not creative enough to make things from scratch, or to make tributes to things myself, or to even bother to play the notes to make a song... so I want the right to use everyone else's stuff to do it, without having to pay them for the work they did.
Typical content grifter mentality.
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Without Plato, there would be no Aristotle. Without Babbage, there would be no transistors. Without Rutherford, there would be no nuclear power. Without Franklin, the Amish way of life would be the norm. Without Waton and Crick, we wouldn't be able to cure certain genetic diseases.
Everything is interconnected. From me to you to Kevin Bacon.
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Of course Pachelbel is out of copyright so its all fine ;-)
(Afraid I can't link to the video as can't access Youtube from my work computer)
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Indeed - I see that you have used an existing language with which to communicate. Shame on you for not creating your own. sheesh, what a grifter.
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Please, you guys are pathetic.
No, we are mostly people with a scientific/mathematical/technical education who realise the impossibility of drawing a bright line between merely "using existing language" and "cut(ting) parts out of someone else's book".
Your failure to see this problem is your problem, not ours.
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Are you not creative enough to come up with your own insults?
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The moment that AC calls someone a "Pibblehoppus", they'll hear from my lawyers!
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That's just the movies based on public domain material, let alone the remakes and adaptations of other media still under (vastly, retroactively extended) copyright. But of, course, this is all created by his glorious beloved corporations rather than independent artists, so it's acceptable. Just don't you *dare* try to use any of the resulting footage without payment in the next 100+ years! God forbid future generations of artists should have the same wealth of art to draw from...
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Typical content grifter mentality.
Show us one example of a work that you would NOT call a product of content grifter mentality and you might have the beginnings of a point - however you can't - and so you don't have a point.
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And I am not talking about the first payment you made, I am talking about the payment for all the money those things enabled you to make without having it to give the producer of the tools you use to do it money.
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It's absolutely impossible to not be influenced by the things you hear, even less from people you admire. Taking already existing ideas in art and vary them to something new is not at all something unusual, it's the rule.
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(English is my second language only)
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Even the pyramids were built on principles discovered and used before they were constructed, not by slaves it turns out but by free people.
The ancient Egyptians, Greeks, Hebrews and Persians knew the world was round, not flat. Though some technically "advanced" people today insist it's flat.
Every great symphony is built on the works around it from previous compositions to folk music around it. Rock and blues and modern country owe to those who write and performed inner city black music, white and black gospel music and country and western that came before, with injections of Jamacian music particularly from the British Invasion.
And all of this isn't creative but is somehow wrong in your world because it borrowed and absorbed what came before it almost always without pay? How do you pay the guy or gal around the campfire a thousand or so years ago that first sung or played to tune to what became your favourite hymn or dance tune?
All of this means Mozart, Litz, McCartney & Lennon, Rogers and Hammerstien, Gilbert and Sullivan, Bob Dylan, Dylan Thomas, Shakespeare, the writers of the Bible, Homer and every other notable creative people and hundreds of thousands more all have "typical content grifter mentality" because they built their own works influenced by or borrowimg from those who came before both known and unknown?
Oh heck, I didn't know piracy what THAT widespread. I had no idea what it cost us and the world culturally. Now if only the RIAAs and MPAAs of the time had only stopped it! It's so horrible, it's unbelievable what it's cost us! Where was Congress, SOPA and PIPA to stop all this cultural carnage and laying waste. pillaging, rape and destruction of culture!
Oh. wait a second. It's our culture I've just described. Isn't it? All of it borrowed, recast and remixed by content grifters. Not at all a bad outcome. Pretty damned good one I'd say.
And you want to stop this? Are you nuts? Of course you are. Freeze something dynamic into something static and surrounded with amber so that it never, ever moves again, never ever creates again.
Even the English language "pirates" words from other languages when it needs them. Remember "detente"? A French word? Our language didn't trot of the L'Academe Francaise in Paris to arrange for royalties to that language. English just "pirated" it. Just as it pirated the world "chuck" meaning water from the Salish of the pacific northwest. Guess we owe them big time, too.
Either you're nuts or the rich, varied dynamic culture around us is. I vote for you as the nutty one.
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Well, it's not unreasonable for the owners of the infrastructure to have some say over its use is it? I don't think halting spam, malware, child porn, infringing content and counterfeit medication is tyrannical. Who is going to do that, individuals? Nor do the laws the currently govern civil society magically evaporate in the Internet space.
Nothing in SOPA will prevent this artist from distributing his music. And perhaps if he ever gets to the level where people are wiling to pay for his music, his rights will be protected and others will be prevented from profiting from his creativity.
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Except for the various ways it can be used to do exactly that which you claim it can't.
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You act like his sole means of distribution are pirate sites. He can easily distribute himself, use legitimate sites, license his music, or urge sites he wants to use to not distribute infringing content. He's not obliged to only use infringing sites. This is why law makers discount your position. You act like no one will ever be able to access this artists stuff. That's simply untrue. BTW, have you done a Google search to see how he currently distributes?
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don't believe me - UMG just did it to Megaupload and an online News Podcast last week.
The problem with the statement that they can use "legitimate" means or websites. That's the problem, the RIAA is against using any sort of Cloud Storage or File Locker for Music Storage. They've already claimed Megaupload and Rapidshare are "rogue sites" despite the Dept of Justice saying otherwise. And they've claimed multiple times that things like Google Music and Amazon Music Cloud are illegal. So tell me, what are the other "legitimate" options that the content companies don't own and that an independent artist who still works at walmart to pay his bills can use to get started?
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Under his video he has a link to download the file... from MediaFire -- one of the sites that your bosses are hoping to shut down:
http://www.mediafire.com/?irti8n56awtu6px
So, uh, yeah, if SOPA passes he'll have more trouble getting his music out there.
As for how he distributes the album, he tries to use a variety of platforms. When I first learned about Dan, he offered his first album up at a pay-what-you-want model, and I paid him for it.
Not sure what your point is. Dan has leveraged free music to create a very large following these days and he makes money from his music because of it.
Seems like someone who would be significantly harmed by what you and your bosses are trying to do in Congress.
Why are you trying so hard to harm creative people like Dan?
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Oh, and then you tack on child porn (to make it look like you are thinking of th children) and then infringing content and counterfeit products. Well, what the fuck do the last three have to do with the first two? Absofuckinglutely nothing.
He's not talking about spam and malware, which I've already said people choose to block, and surprise, people get to pick and choose what they think is spam and what isn't.
And did you think maybe he doesn't want his rights protected to the extremes copyright grants? Not sure what uk time frames are, but life plus 70 or 90 years is pretty damnd excessive. (And not limited in my lifetime, or for that matter, anyones)
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Look again numb nuts. You are wrong.
people get to pick and choose what they think is spam and what isn't.
When you click the little box on your e-mail program that says "This is spam" what do you think happens next?
Well, what the fuck do the last three have to do with the first two? Absofuckinglutely nothing.
They all can be interdicted at the ISP level.
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Youtube is largely porn-free because it provides tools to the user community to flag offending videos. Other video sites, with a different userbase have different standards. An individual can choose which sites, s/w etc they want to use. This is very different from giving power to the government - or worse still to private corporations to block anything on the net. Your CP example is an exception because there is >99% disapproval of CP (at least in public). That does not hold for other things.
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Both child porn and infringing content are illegal. The difference is merely the level of support for restriction. Thanks for clearing that up. The core of your objection is that copyright should not be respected.
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Except one is a criminal act with severe and lasting malicious effects on the victim. The other is a civil offence with no proven lasting damage, and various studies have shown that in fact "piracy" can have a positive effect.
"The difference is merely the level of support for restriction."
I'm glad I don't live in your twisted universe where these are even remotely equal in any other way. Then again, child porn is the refuge of the moron in cases where they can't just say "Hitler", so I don't expect you to have the intellect to understand.
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You only need to look at the outcry whenever child pornography is mentioned to understand that as far as the members of most societies are concerned that is still a bad thing and should still be illegal.
When you look at the opposite of this, the casual contempt by a significant proportion of the population to current copyright laws you should realise that it is time to consider whether those laws are in fact for the benefit of society or whether they should be re-evaluated in respect to recent technological and societal changes.
I guess what I'm trying to get at is in a free society (which we should all aspire to) laws only exist because society allows them and to a degree agrees with them. Once we don't agree with them then they should be questioned and, where necessary, abandoned.
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A significant portion of society jaywalks, many on a regular basis. Yet, plenty of people are injured or killed while jaywalking every year. While a significant proportion of society holds these laws in casual contempt, I for one am glad they are on the books, and applaud when they are enforced. Sometimes a significant proportion of society isn't able to see what is good for it in the long run.
It's sort of why we have the "legalize pot" movements. Significant numbers of people are worried about getting something for themselves, and aren't considering the implications on society as a whole.
My idea: repeal SOPA, repeal DMCA, and enforce what were the existing copyright laws. Guess what? All those websites and "mashups" you are all worried about would still be illegal.
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Sounds like a good start to me! Throw the Bridgeport v. Dimension ruling and the Sonny Bono Copyright Term Extension Act on the chopping block too, and I'd say we're well on our way towards restoring sense to copyright law.
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But you can. Got it.
"It's sort of why we have the "legalize pot" movements. Significant numbers of people are worried about getting something for themselves, and aren't considering the implications on society as a whole."
Actually, the serious legalization arguments that I hear are all centered around improving the implications on society as a whole. Agree or disagree with those arguments all you want, but the implications are certainly being considered.
"Guess what? All those websites and "mashups" you are all worried about would still be illegal."
And without the severe damage SOPA et al causes to society! I agree with your proposal. It would be a far superior option to the SOPA path.
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It's sort of why we have the "legalize pot" movements. Significant numbers of people are worried about getting something for themselves, and aren't considering the implications on society as a whole.
Personally I'm in favor of legalizing many drugs and scaling back copyright infringement, but not in favor of either doing drugs or pirating stuff. I hold my positions because of the implications for society, not because I "want to get something for myself". I'm sure I'm not alone.
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Prohibition made alcohol illegal, it did nothing to stop people from drinking (despite often rather high penalties.
Pot is illegal, it does nothing to stop pot consumption (despite often rather high penalties - hell in some cases pot gets you more jail time than murder).
Jaywalking is still technically illegal in most areas. Oral/anal sex is still illegal in places.
Cigarettes could be made illegal tomorrow (they are already massively restricted in most places, and only the massive lobby arms of Phillip Morris and related companies have kept them from being outlawed altogether) and it will do nothing to stop people from smoking.
What is technically illegal and what the majority of people consider morally acceptable are two entirely different things.
The simple reality is this: your chances of stopping file sharing are about the same as your chances of stopping marijuana use. Considering pot use is still at least as prevalent, and perhaps more so, than file sharing, and has been outlawed for a lot longer (with much harsher punishments) your chances sit somewhere around zero.
The core of your objection is that copyright should not be respected.
Copyright, if left in its originally intended form of a short term, temporary incentive, was by and large respected. And rightfully so.
Copyright, in its current form, is about as worthy of respect as a pyramid scheme. In fact, to some people, current copyright structure doesn't look (or behave) all that different from a typical ponzi scheme.
The reality is this: the more copyright extensions Disney and their kind push through Congress, the more DCMA's, ACTA's, SOPA's, PIPA's thye ram through Congress, may "strengthen" copyright from a legal standpoint. From a societal standpoint, however, is simply dilutes the integrity of copyright from the moral standpoint of most people.
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It's insulting to equate the sexual abuse of children, and distribution of imagery of such, to downloading movies over bitorrent. It's insulting to any reasonable human being. It's insulting to anyone with compassion or a shred of morality.
I know you're using it as a polemic, to try to garner support for your paymasters unwilling to adapt, but it makes you a morally bankrupt shill, slinging bullshit for a buck instead of contributing to society.
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Child porn is the closest you can come to ISPs participating in the interdiction of content and I think you'll find that it's a positively laughable comparison with copyrighted content. Censorship is censorship no matter what is being censored and the only reason censorship is tolerated in the case of child porn is because society finds it so abhorrent. Not so with copyright and trademark violation which, in many cases, isn't even a crime. Furthermore the censorship of child porn is done at the behest of the government which is ostensibly working by and for the people. Again, not so with copyright and trademark violation cases under SOPA which would be done at the behest of a non-government third party.
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ISP proactively filter for spam and malware. It's simply untrue that they only react to consumer complaints.
Child porn is the closest you can come to ISPs participating in the interdiction of content and I think you'll find that it's a positively laughable comparison with copyrighted content. Censorship is censorship no matter what is being censored and the only reason censorship is tolerated in the case of child porn is because society finds it so abhorrent.
Both child porn and infringing content are unlawful. You abhor child porn but covet free, copyrighted content. The law is still the law, and that's what you have the problem with.
Not so with copyright and trademark violation which, in many cases, isn't even a crime.
Which in many cases is and generally at least a civil infraction.
Furthermore the censorship of child porn is done at the behest of the government which is ostensibly working by and for the people.
Censoring of child porn is at the behest of the government, but that behest is in the form of a law. And is no different that the law covering infringing content.
Again, not so with copyright and trademark violation cases under SOPA which would be done at the behest of a non-government third party.
Try reading the bill. Only DoJ can act to block infringing sites, not a non-government third party.
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By any means necessary, am I right?
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The reason ISPs and mail servers install spam blocking software on email accounts is because of market pressures to do so. In the early days of email, spam was rife on everyone's account. So those providing email services responded to customer demand for less spam by creating and installing software that detects and blocks spam. They did this because of market pressure from email users.
You can continue to pretend that it was not a public demand all you want, but you will continue to be wrong in ever respect.
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Why do you think the filters were put into place in the first place, dumbass? (hint: it's to do with customer demand). Also, last time I checked, I'm free to choose an ISP that doesn't offer these, or request that my ISP disable them for my account. I'm not forced to use those services if I don't wish to.
"You abhor child porn but covet free, copyrighted content"
Yes, God forbid that someone would have a different moral standard applied to the potential (but unproven) loss of a sale and the rape of a child. You people have nowhere you won't sink to defend your corporations, will you?
"And is no different that the law covering infringing content."
Ignorance and plain stupidity are not virtues.
"Only DoJ can act to block infringing sites, not a non-government third party."
...and the DoJ have proven themselves to be in the pockets of which party, exactly? They've proven it's not the consumer.
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Yes, they do this, at their customer's request. I've never seen an ISP that forces such filter on their customers. And I would have noticed, because I always turn those filters off.
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That being said, spam filtering is turned on at my request on all of the web based accounts I've ever used.
Oh, and its never been the ISP that stopped me from surfing to a phishing site, that's been google, if I've everbeen stopped, or my selfinstalled antivirus/etc program.
So, I'm not wrong. I'm actually correct as the impliction is these are driven by consumer demad, not mandated by the goverment.
And what part of your "this is spam" doesn't back up exactly what I'm saying? Do you even know how spam filters work? You know, when I click "this is spam" google is giving me the option, not wresting it from my hands.
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They all can be interdicted at the ISP level.
Any communication could be interdicted at the ISP level.
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Except that no service will be willing to host it for fear of being cut off from revenue streams because of a SOPA claim, or the chance that even if he DOES get it up, a competitor could take it down with a SOPA claim. The thresholds written in to the law are VERY low, and the 'penalties' for abuse are weak or absent.
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Nothing but an anonymous source (later traced to UMG) insisting that he TOTALLY ripped off a song by another artist, and the music industry's government cronies immediately shutting him down, fining him and putting him in jail.
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You guys are upset that the law is going to move closer to the speed of the internet, effectively getting rid of the buffer time between action and reaction. Suck it up, the gravy train is pulling into the last station.
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Still want your nostalgic copyright of yesteryear? Thanks - I'll go back to freely sampling whatever I want.
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So WHAT if I use someone else's content? The 4 chord song is a PERFECT example of a piece of art that is greater than the sum of its parts. What about Tolkien, called the Grandfather of Modern Fantasy? He wrote the Hobbit, which is basically a rip off of the legend of Beowulf (both feature as major plot points a dragon who rests on a giant pile of treasure, both dragons notice immediately when a single piece of treasure is stolen and both dragons go apeshit because of it). Yeah, let's jail Tolkien for his remix! Pack him in jail, forget about the massive contribution he made to fantasy literature.
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No, I am upset because SOPA will be actively harming me when I am not engaging in any forbidden activity at all, while simultaneously having little impact on copyright infringers.
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Agreed, and it's appaling how the owners of the internet infrastructure have been ignored udring the SOPA process. I'm glad you agree.
" I don't think halting spam, malware, child porn, infringing content and counterfeit medication is tyrannical. "
Agreed! Aside, you got conflation and false dichotomy in that statement, but couldn't you have worked in an appeal to authority or hasty generalization for the logical fallacy trifecta?
"Nor do the laws the currently govern civil society magically evaporate in the Internet space."
Yeah, right, cause no one has ever been sued because of soemthing they did online, and this needs to stop. The days of piracy on the high seas of the wild west information superhighway are at an end!
"Nothing in SOPA will prevent this artist from distributing his music."
Well, ok, almost nothing. Sure it will be used to kill up and coming distribution platforms, but dan bull can always mortgage his future to sign a deal with a label who will then rip him off on residuals, so he's not, technically speaking, "stopped".
"And perhaps if he ever gets to the level where people are wiling to pay for his music, his rights will be protected and others will be prevented from profiting from his creativity."
Seriously, who cares what Dan Bull thinks anyways, since he never makes any money from his music...
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Look at MC Lars who openly states that music should be free he makes it clear that people and download his songs and pass them around because that spreads his names and increases his fanbase so when a tour rolls bys more people go and buy his t shirts.
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:D
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The US is pushing hard to get similar laws into the EU and is succeeding. The ACTA agreement is kept secret on request of the US.
The real scary thing is that the US is a major power not some backwater island.
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Give it time. Given the state of the nation in terms of government corruption, corporate power, and economic self-mutilation, the US won't be a major power for too much longer.
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Greg has a vested interest in the health of the entertainment
machines.
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Please, you guys are great.
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You still stole the words and thus the work from somebody else didn't you?
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Improved the words and thus the work from somebody else. :D
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And LOOk WhAt haS HaPpENNed HerE. My WordS hAVe MORe PowER!
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Moron.
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Protection, huh...
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This idea was stolen from me!!!
Oh, and watch the video. It's awesome & uplifting. It's my daily affirmation.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IMZMdz9ww2I
Follow-up is folks in the video chipped in $450 and Pacdog just bought a new DSLR. W00T!
Watch the video.
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