FBI Saves Us From Another Of Its Own Terrorist Plots
from the no-boom dept
We've talked multiple times about how the FBI seems to spend an awful lot of time stopping its own terrorist plots, and it appears to have done so yet again. iamtheky points us to the story of a "terrorist plot" to blow up the capitol averted... thanks to the fact that the whole thing was planned by the FBI, so it was pretty easy to stop the one dupe who thought it was real. Now, as some people always point out, these kinds of operations do seem to get people off the street who wouldn't mind causing harm to Americans, but it's unclear if any of them would ever actually have the means to do so in reality. What's telling is that these seem to be basically the only terrorist plots we hear about the FBI stopping these days -- which makes you wonder if they just have too much free time to manufacture plots to stop.
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Supposedly, we'll never really know if he actually accepted a vest or a gun, if the vest was made of wool or the gun made of chocolate, or if the vest and the gun were symbolic gestures. Because that sort of information is classified, for your protection of course.
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We told him to go scout a location, and he went... he had this planned all along and we stopped it.
Of course before they got involved he was just someone who had beliefs that maybe the US was at war with Islam, and of course this case will not foster that belief further at all.
We nice folks don't need to worry, we've got the FBI running plots in the background and the NYPD running secret investigations into Muslims outside of NY... everything is fine.
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Someone turned in this sap as being unamerican, and when connected with people who helped foster those feelings he went further. Encouraging him to do more and more, and rewarding the behavior.
This is almost as good as the cops in FL who put hot policewomen into high schools to flirt and befriend teenage boys, then ask them for pot. When the boy, driven by hormones, finds them some they pay them for it and then a few days later arrest them. Yay for felonies before graduation!
http://boingboing.net/2012/02/17/cop-spends-weeks-to-trick-an-1.html
If you find someone, and groom them you can get them to do things they might not normally do.
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Prefessionalism
These FBI guys could to learn alot from the DEA...
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COMBLB
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That is why we need to pass the new wiretapping bill to make sure this "everyone" isn't misbehaving like the underground criminal element that he is.
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Terrorism
Wouldn't the terrorists in this case be The FBI?
"Court documents say he came onto the radar screen in early December after he told an undercover agent about an earlier plan to bomb a northern Virginia building." - Suspicious on its own. FBI agents are just sitting around and happened to get this?
"The suspect allegedly weighed hitting various targets ranging from a military installation to synagogues to a Washington restaurant before settling on the Capitol." - I can see that one now -
Suspect: a Washington restaurant?
FBI: Too small, must crush infidels!
Suspect: a synagogue?
FBI: Bigger!
Suspect: a military installation?
FBI: You are getting warmer. Something that will really get attention.
Suspect: The Capitol?
FBI: Bingo! good choice.
Hell the FBI even blew shit up for him:
"He even conducted a test explosives demonstration in a quarry."
Remember:
"The public was never in danger, as he had been under constant surveillance for some time, officials said."
"A senior source involved with law enforcement at the Capitol also told Fox News the investigation was "all very controlled." The source said the U.S. Capitol Police was involved with the FBI and other agencies in tracking the suspect "not more than a year."
THEY ADMIT IT AGAIN!!:
"In September, a Massachusetts man was arrested for allegedly plotting to fly bomb-laden model planes into the Pentagon and U.S. Capitol. FBI agents claiming to be associates of Al Qaeda provided 26-year-old Rezwan Ferdaus with what he thought was explosive material for the remote-controlled planes." - I think we have more FBI agents claiming to be alCIAda than actual alCIAda.
"In the past year alone, at least 20 people have been arrested in the United States on terrorism-related charges, according to the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence." - FBI: ahhh patsies all of them.
""Most of the arrests" have involved "lone wolves," radicalized online and able to use the Internet to build bombs, FBI Director Robert Mueller told the Senate committee last month." - There they go. That damn internet helping terrorists again. Never mind the FBI agents posing as alCIAda.
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I get the feeling that they are doing this to justify their own existence and will try to use their 'success' to further limit free speech and freedom.
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Or they just decide to let it happen... again.
Yes the tinfoil is shiny side up thank you. :)
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There have been roughly 6,000 unsolved murders a year in the United States, every year since 1980. So, as of the end of 2011, that means about 186,000 unsolved murders in toto, over the last 31 years.
Wouldn't it be nice if a law enforcement organization actually did something about them, rather than playing idiotic games with a harmless dweeb who was clearly too stupid to ever do anything really harmful?
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Those individuals were plotting a torrorist plot to live a normal life! The FBI had to put a stop to it by showing them how to be suicide bombers, sadly they gave them real explosive vests that went off prematurely...
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I think you might have things backwards. There are more alciada who admit they are FBI than will deny it.
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"He even conducted a test explosives demonstration in a quarry."
Was this the MythBusters branch of the FBI?
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Practice makes perfect
Okay, I don't really believe that, but I also don't think it's as big a stretch as most people assume.
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Even as cynical as I am, it would make me cringe if these sorts of things really were some budget-padding exercise (after all, if you didn't spend it this year, then you don't need it next year!)
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Yes, but the number one rule of budgets is that you have to do everything in your power not to let them go down, regardless of whether you actually need the money or not. Once it's at a given level, you have to fight tooth and nail to keep it at that level.
Why else would they spend $2,000 on a toilet seat?
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One of these days, they will find someone crazy/smart/obsessive enough to succeed and the worst part will be how quickly the government's complicity in the act will be forgotten.
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Whether or not they provided the materials or encouragement is irrelevant, he is the one that attempted the attack.
You are not going to get an otherwise good person to do something like this no matter how much encouragement you give them - this guy was intent on executing an attack and it is just lucky that the FBI became involved before he got resources through other channels.
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....unless of course they explored all of those prospects and realized this guy was probably better handled by the risk manufacturing division.
Maybe next time they can setup multiple people to be at the same place and arrest a "cell".
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Id like to cite: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milgram_experiment
Sure seems like you can get "otherwise good" people to do some pretty horrific things if you just push them a little bit.
But hey, ya know, like the poster above me said, why wait for them to expose possible accomplices when you can just feed crazy yourself.
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Idel Hands.
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So sad that the government is abusing the mentally ill
Step 2. Feed those sentiments and train the individual to be a terrorist.
Step 3. Arrest this terrorist of their own manufacturing.
Step 4. Profit!
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