Band Tells Fans To Boycott Its Albums, Saying Its Label Doesn't Pay
from the but-you-can-get-them-elsewhere dept
Over the years, record label Victory Records has worked up quite the... um.... reputation from artists it has signed. Let's just say that a number of them are less than pleased. Reader Aaron points us to the latest such example, where the band Streetlight Manifesto has put up a, well, manifesto, asking fans to boycott its albums, because of an ongoing dispute with the label, who it claims isn't passing along royalties owed:We’re writing today to ask you to please boycott all Streetlight related items by not purchasing any of our records or merchandise from Victory’s website, any traditional CD stores, online third party retailers or any digital distribution service (iTunes, Amazon etc). Victory has a long-time reputation of pocketing all of the proceeds from a band’s music and merch, with shady accounting and generally bully-ish behavior. If you want to support Streetlight, our music and our ability to tour and continue to release music, please make all SM related purchases from our own webstore, The RISC Store (www.riscstore.com), or come out to a show and buy a shirt or cd from us directly. In regards to getting the music we make, you can buy directly from us, or, alternately, we’re sure you can find a way to get the tunes onto your computer that may not be, ahem, traditional… Speaking a Bit metaphorically, there is a Torrent of methods to accomplish this, and Google is your always loyal friend…Yet another reminder that labels very often do not speak for, nor represent, the best interests of artists.
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I lol'ed.
Always nice to see artists and bands keeping up to date with society and progress.
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Musicians that I know are the ones most adept at getting music from lockers, torrents, direct sharing, and other methods.
It's not too surprising, really. Most musicians near the leading edge are very keen on hearing what other musicians are doing. After all, everything really is a remix. A lot of stuff they are likely to be listening to is freely (and often legally) shared.
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Best moment to give them the Copyleft Talk
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of what ?
perhaps someone should teach them how to play music !!!
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You see, if the artist gets too much money (as in any money) from their music sales they won't be encouraged to create more music!
The artist will just spend all their time sleeping on piles on money, and complaining about making too much money come tax time! It may sound funny complaining about making too much money, but believe me, it's no laughing matter when you have to pay over 30% of your income to uncle Sam!
Artists need good Samaritans like Victory Records to take the heavy sacrifice of dealing with these kinds of problems caused by making too much money!
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They should just be happy that the almighty label granted them the privilege to make music.
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Yes, artists need to take responsibility for their agreements, but I think we'd all agree that at the point the agreements are always signed, that the information and power advantage is massively in the label's favor, leading to inequitable results.
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If the band has failed in part of their contractual obligation, which is probably the case.
the label would have made it clear to the band that the payments contracted to pay would be contingent on sales of the music.
If the band failed to create music that is good enough to sell, no amount of promotion will change that.
you can flog a dead horse but you cant lead it to water, (or something). and make it drink !
clear, if people are not willing to pay for the music, the label is not going to piss money away trying to promote it, it appears that also the band is working contrary to their contract and trying to give their music away.. reducing their sales even further. not helping at all.
here is a clue, produce something people actually WANT !!!
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You are speaking from a perspective of biased speculation that is not supported by any citation of facts whatsoever.
FAIL.
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It's similar to the recent Wale debacle. It would help his case a little more if WZRD wasn't just absolutely terrible. If I were a label, I wouldn't promote that garbage either.
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So why don't the labels just come out and admit that, instead of lying about how they "support" artists?
"If the band has failed in part of their contractual obligation, which is probably the case."
So you admit you actually have no idea, you're just desperate to defend the labels' shrinking position of power in the music industry.
Ask yourself what's more likely. That the band is demanding royalties for sales that haven't occurred, or that the label hasn't paid them royalties owed for sales that did occur, as claimed. Given the well-documented history of labels' treatment of artists, I'd say the latter is far more likely, wouldn't you?
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It's a day with a 'y' in it, isn't it? Well, Tuesday, so it must the day where they attack artists rather than the day they attack customers.
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That both dont talk to each other, or to you !
Did VICTORY turn up at their garage during a jam session with guns and knives and by force make them sign a contract and give them some money ?
can you confirm that both parties met their contractual obligations ? that the band agreed too, and signed off on.
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Re: Re: Re: So Tony, are all these 'hardcore' bands composed of idiots ?
From someone who worked at Victory.
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In the short run maybe - but longer term creating this situation with bad deals will prove to be a really bad plan for the label in the longer run. Who is going to sign up with them now?
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They can lawyer their way out of that easily.
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In today's day and age, especially if the mainstream media picked up the story it would drive people to the band's own store for content in droves just like suing Napster did for the subscribership to the service when that happened.
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The label holds the copyrights in exchange for money, their contract with the band spells this out. The label is not providing the money, so it's strongly arguable the label doesn't hold the copyrights either...the band does.
So if the copyright holder tells people to torrent the copyrighted works, that is in itself a legally-binding license to copy. No piracy there.
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Here's an idea...
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1 dollar for year 1.
2 dollars for year 2.
4 dollars for year 3.
8 dollars for year 4.
By the time year 20 comes along, it's over 500,000.
year 21 is over a million dollars.
You don't pay the tax, the copyright in question instantly gets seized by the government and turned over to the public domain.
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start with 0 the 1,1,2,3,5,7,12,19,31,70 etc.
i think one year of of being free would be better
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I like it.
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Hell why don't we add to it while we are at it.
Prove that the label failed to promote it adequately (provided that the obligation to promote is in the contract because afterall WE unlike the record labels are FAIR) and the termination right is granted immediately as well.
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If a contract is not being lived up to, then the signers have an option to terminate if the contract is not fulfilled.
A lot of times music contracts have a last-chance clause, along the lines of "if the terms aren't being fulfilled, then the parties have 30 days after written notice of breach of contract to correct the breach" and then after that time period, the rights revert to the artist/licensor.
Our contracts have something like this, and I cannot imagine that Victory, who are a much larger, more business-like label, don't have the same or stronger language.
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read the freaking contract - and stop whinning band..
someone should teach mansick that as well...
you know what 'they' say about idiots who do not read any contract they enter into. They have NO ONE to blame but themselves.
I guess the real reason, is that the band failed to meet it's obligations, and are simply "JUST NOT GOOD ENOUGH".
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We don't "know" anything. Nor do you, or the angry OP we're replying to.
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If you believe in that idealistic view of contracting you are putting forward, you are either naive or have never been involved in contracting with parties of disparate power.
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> and inform them that THEY CHOSE that label. NO ONE held a
> gun to their head and forced them to enter into an
> agreement with that label..
Then complain that more musicians are becoming lawyers instead.
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So when somebody reneges on a contract with you, do you just blame yourself and call yourself an idiot?
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Did you even read the article? Because it has nothing to do with the band's contract. Here, let me put it as simply as possible for your mind (seeing as how you obviously did not take a reading comprehension class at any point in your life). THE LABEL IS NOT PAYING ON OWED ROYALTIES. End of story. Album sold. Band is waiting on royalties they're owed. The label is not paying up.
This has literally nothing to do with, well "they didn't read their contract, so they're idiots". Also, I'm not into the band or their style of music, but even I've heard of them. So obviously, for someone who is completely not into their music to know about them, they must be good enough to gain some fame and acknowledgment.
Darryl, seriously, if you've graduated from school, I want you to go back to every school you've ever been to and slap your English teachers. I don't advocate violence, but if they passed you, and at whatever age you're at you obviously show no signs of having learned a thing from them, then they deserve it.
Oh, and I'm only saying that, because of the "someone should teach masnick that as well" line. You seem to be quite quick to point out how others should be taught or what classes they apparently failed in school, well one good turn deserves another. And if you respond with, "Ah, I see so rather than address my points you resort to insults, how grown up of you." I say, one good turn deserves another. It's okay for you to do exactly that, but no one can do it to you? I see, here, I have a mirror for you to look into. Know what that is staring right back at you, a hypocrite. Hypocritus Darrylus it's called. A new type, only recently, and most unfortunately for civilization, discovered.
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unless they know, and cause profit for, the right people, of course. then those charges most likely never happen.
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The liability lies somewhere far out of range of anything this band said.
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Props to Streetlight. One of the best bands around today for so many reasons.
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Labels sell copies of music.
Labels make money.
Labels agreed to give part of money to artists.
Labels use bad math to say money disappeared.
Get it?
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And while I'm doing that, I'm boycotting the moon! Take that, moon!
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"Maybe we could offer rewards for those who turn people in for pirating content."
Yeah... that would work... If rock fans are known for anything, it's ratting on people who circumvent unpopular rules (rolls eyes).
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Someone at the label will realize this horrible breach of justice, and quickly go to the lawyers to get the standard contract amended to fix this horrible act... by making it illegal for signed bands both present and future to talk about how much they may or may not be getting from the label.
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I like it !
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