An Open Letter To Content Creators: One 'Pirate' Explains Why He Infringes & How To Get His Money
from the the-power-has-shifted dept
We launched our Step 2 discussion platform last fall, just before the whole SOPA/PIPA fight heated up. It was just the first part of a much bigger planned program to better engage the wider community around here, with more parts rolling out as we move forward. The timing was interesting, and while we had intended to feature more content from Step2 on Techdirt early on, the SOPA/PIPA debate took precedence. However, even without us constantly tending to Step2 -- or even mentioning it -- over at Techdirt, a group of you took to it and have built up some interesting discussions. I wanted to highlight a few of the discussions there you might have missed over the past few months, starting off with one of the most popular ones on the site: An Open Letter To Content Creators from user Bobbi Smith, explaining "why he pirates." It's a long open letter, but if you want to understand the mindset, it's an important read for content creators.I'm sure some will -- quite incorrectly -- try to summarize the point as one of entitlement, but if you read the details, it's actually quite the opposite. It's the story of someone who's sick of the sense of entitlement from big entertainment providers -- those who want you to pay top prices for mediocre content -- and then expect you to come back for more. If there's one key theme running through the discussion it's that control has shifted. The big gatekeepers used to have full control of the market, but now there's been a massive market shift: to the consumers. Smith isn't arguing that he "just wants everything for free" or that he feels entitled to things for free. Actually, he makes it clear that he willingly pays for things all the time -- when the content makes him "happy," when the offering doesn't try to limit him and when the price is reasonable.
If you read the full thing, you'll realize that the article is not a defense of piracy. It's an argument for how content creators can do better -- something that we've been seeing more and more content creators figure out. Content creators who understand this letter will recognize that it's not about piracy so much as about how to satisfy a market and make money doing so.
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It's really worth reading.
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Piracy should be endorsed for the same reason that the strike should be endorsed: not because it's good to have workers on picket lines instead of in factories, but because the threat of it often destroys the arrogance of those who would exploit them and protects them in the cases where the arrogance is too great to be destroyed.
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Our goal is to create greater service value than pirates, and this has been successful enough for us that piracy is basically a non-issue for our company. For example, prior to entering the Russian market, we were told that Russia was a waste of time because everyone would pirate our products. Russia is now about to become our largest market in Europe." - Gabe Newell
But what does that guy know?
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Or is it just somebody talking about something they do--something they do which happens to be consistent with reality?
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Oh I get it, all you have to do is ask people to "do better"
Maybe the editors of Maxim or Playboy could write an open letter asking the women to "do better" at satisfying them and until then, they'll act like rakes or cads.
Or maybe I can just write an open letter to cancer and ask cancer to do better or else I'll refuse to die. Yeah. That will work.
So I can just write my own open letter and ask Bobbi Smith to "do better" and cough up more cash for my work. After all, that's the mechanism that's supposed to work. It's like a magic wand, only with text.
What is fascinating is that there's little acknowledgement that there are living, breathing humans on the other side of the transaction. There's no acknowledgement that the creators need to eat, pay the rent, and purchase health insurance. Nope. It's all a focus on the consumer who is supposedly allowed to simply stamp his/her feet and if the hard working creators don't snap to it, the consumer will feel free to simply take it. Wow, that's a model of one spoiled brat.
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(I know it's cheesy but I couldn't resist.)
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However, on a slightly more serious note...
There's no acknowledgement that the creators need to eat, pay the rent, and purchase health insurance.
No, the scenario is more like there's a creator that needs to eat, pay the rent and purchase health insurance and we consumers are offering many ways for them to take our money, but the creators are stomping their foot and saying, "No, you need to give me your money only in ways I dictate."
That's not how the market works.
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I download and install the client. It's a slow laggy piece of shit. Ok fine, I just have to use this to download and I'm play - shouldn't be more than a couple of hours on my connection. That's how it worked with D2D anyway. Nope, my download crawls and takes over 12 hours to download.
Ok, so now it's been a full day since I've made my purchase. I try to install the game, now it's forcing me to install Origin - ok fine. I install Origin, enter my key and I get a generic error message telling me the install failed. There's no reason given, just a generic message. Ok, reboot my computer and give this a try again - still no good.
So, I find the source files only to see the single giant zip file that Gamefly downloaded is corrupted. So after 20 minutes of screwing around with Gamefly again I can't figure out how to get it to allow me to re-download the game.
I now go into Origin and try downloading from there - but there's another generic error. I reboot my machine, still no good. So I uninstall Origin, reboot and reinstall. Now I'm able to download the game via Origin. 2 hours later it's done and installed leaving me no time to actually play the game yet.
I bought the game 2 days ago and still haven't played. How is forcing me to install multiple shitty clients, both of which are labeled beta yet HAVE to be used to get the game. So, I'm also forced to be a goddamn software tester for these companies in order to buy a game. How does this serve me as a customer? It doesn't.
Pirates were playing the game without issue while I spent two days just trying to get the damn game on my computer. This is why people pirate. It's nothing to do with not paying, it's all about the customer experience. The pirate customer experience is better than what the legit sources offer.
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First, I will ignore your equating copyright infringement to theft as surely you know the different. There is no right to make a living. Our only right is to pursue making a living. The market will decide if we do or not. Right now, fighting the market is not a good way to make a living.
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The other examples you use are just to idiotic to even warrant a response. Hell, my 5 year old daughter makes better arguments.
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This might be the first thing you've ever gotten right in a post!
I'll feel free to just shoplift whatever I want
No, you wouldnt. To make your example work you'd have to walk in the store where the store owner would slap you in the face, call you a thief, put handcuffs and ankle cuffs while you shop and try to educate you why their apples cost $50.
I'd bet you leave and walk down the street and pick up an apple from the infinite pile sitting there.
Or maybe I can just write an open letter to cancer and ask cancer to do better or else I'll refuse to die. Yeah. That will work.
Correct; also cancer wouldnt get paid either.
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1. Your content will always be available for free on the internet.
2. Read #1 again and again until you really understand it. I'll wait.
Now, you either listen to what your customers want and make money, or you continue to whine about the above fact until you go bankrupt.
No doubt you are prepared to whine as a response to this post, too. So be it. I know you think file sharing is theft. I disagree, and you won't change my opinion by whining. You are not going to get my business by whining. You are not going to get me to tell all my friends about your work by whining.
Adapt or get tossed into the dustbin of history.
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Ah, but the grocery stores do get complaints when a product goes away that people liked. At least where I am products have a way of reappearing after even a few of those complaints. The grocery stores are held to this standard.
Since it won't respond to are entreaties, we attack it with the intent to destroy. The approach we take to cancer would be akin to burning down RIAA/MPAA offices, which isn't happening. Cancer is not a valid analogy.
The RIAA goes even further. Rather than request your money, they demand it, with the threat of legal action hanging over your head.
So, someone tells you how you can get him to pay you money, and your response is that you need money? It's his money, if you want it, you have to earn it. It doesn't matter how much you need it.
Take a closer look at his story, before he started file-sharing he had stopped spending any money at all on these industries. That is what you will be facing if you succeed in stopping file-sharing, a full on boycott. That means even less money to help pay for those necessities.
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Love, love, love this quote!
Power to the people!
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The distributors need to realize reality - the content is out there and available. If you want to earn money then you need to offer a product.
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look, there are people out there every day who want to give you money. things like region locking, drm and release windows are preventing that from happening, so they get it elsewhere.
do yourself a favor and get out of that model of business.
oh and not all of us pirate. i'm much worse than that. if i can't get it the way i want, i don't buy it. and then usually forget about it. which means i forget about you.
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I can write an open letter demanding Longhorn steakhouse build easier to get to locations and charge reasonable prices or I will cook my own damn steak.
They have the option to ignore me and I have option to get same product a different way. I have not stolen their steaks by getting my own.
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The content is already out there. I could just take it but I am asking to buy it. And I get told to bugger off.
WTF? You don't want my money or you don't care. I care and I asked. I want to pay for it. That's why iTunes is so cool.
Really, is this too difficult to understand? At least there are people asking to pay. Instead of everyone saying the heel with the content Gate keepers and just get it with out paying.
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That aside lets look at your argument.
Food companies: You are allowed to make copies it is called gardening and except in the case of Monsanto they only charge you for the bandwith(seeds). Under the current situation on the internet you could not grow the food because they did oranges first.
Maxim and Playboy. Women are asking you to do better. If you manage to you won't need the magazines.
Cancer: I was unaware that people dying showed approval of the job disease was doing. Perhaps you have misinterpreted this and it is a disapproval of life?
You can write Bobbi Smith and ask him to do better. Unfortunatly, you can't force him to. Yes people produce things and want to get paid. They cannot force people to pay what they want or say what it is worth to the consumer.
If you cannot set the price you are stuck accepting what the person says your product is worth to him or her. Which may be nothing, the cost of disk space and download time or cash. Its different then what was, but hey that's life. Feel free to ask life to do better.
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The sense of entitlement in your post is horrifying.
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That sounds a lot like the little 2 year old who will not let anyone else play with a toy. It is not that they are playing with it or want to play with it. They just don't want someone else playing with it.
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Let me get this straight. I can write an open letter asking the food companies to do better on calories/taste/freshness/whatever and until they do, I'll feel free to just shoplift whatever I want. They need to earn my money.
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Nope, you haven't got it straight...
In the real world it means is that if a food company doesn't do better on calories/tasted/freshness/whatever then you just go to a competitor who does. It's called 'voting with your wallet' which, if it becomes widespread consumer unhappiness, is also called 'company either adapts to reality or goes bankrupt', and is the generally accepted practice of how to handle the situation.
But, this example of yours, and mine for that matter, doesn't really matter as your example conflates physical objects with intangible objects, which are not the same things at all. A rather nonsensical thing to do as it ignores how the rest of the world views things, i.e. reality.
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I agree entirely. These content distributors are just children whining about how they don't want to treat customers with respect and how they feel entitled to our money without providing the products and services that their customers are asking for. They're just whining to government to pass draconian laws so that the distributors don't have to mature their obsolete business models.
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Maybe the editors of Maxim or Playboy could write an open letter asking the women to "do better" at satisfying them and until then, they'll act like rakes or cads. "
You would be correct if we could download food and women from the internet nice try fool.
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Furthermore, as I have asserted before this is also the reason they can't understand the difference between THEFT and SHARING. For the rest of us, we grew up and were taught at a young age that being considerate of others and sharing with them was a GOOD thing to do. And we were properly corrected when we acted selfish and pitched temper tantrums when we didn't get our way. They apparently were not. Yes I am saying that these problems are a result of one thing... BAD PARENTING. It's their parents fault for not raising them right!
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Monsanto. With their patented corn. And by forcing the government not to label GMO products. And by...
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Second, Mike, you are really getting desperate - pulling 3 month old threads out of Step2 and trying to get people to look? Wow!
Third, most of his views are in the range of "give it to me my way, give it to me cheap, and give me lifetime support forever on every device I ever own or think of owning... and don't use DRM!". It's a very long version of a Techdirt talking points memo. Are you sure that Bobbi Smith (with an I, like girl) isn't a made up character?
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So what did I do? I pirated pomegranates. Now I copy 150-200 FREE pomegranates every year, and that supermarket that won't listen to my complaints doesn't get one red (pomegranate-stained) cent. With just a little care for my pomegranate-copying machine, I am really sticking it to those dinosaur supermarkets that won't adapt.
(I feel like such a thief.)
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Here's how you should have written it:
I can write an open letter asking the food companies to do better on calories/taste/freshness/whatever and until they do, I'll feel free to grow my own food.
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Among other reasons I think it's because to them it's a binary equation. There's "piracy" and "non-piracy" and nothing in between. The idea that turning a large block of infringers into customers is as simple as selling the product in a way people want simply doesn't occur because in their mind that's giving ALL "pirates" what they want. That's what you get for brainwashing yourself with the mantra "All pirates are entitled freetard thieves that should be shot without trial" 20 times each morning.
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there is a tv show offered on HBO I really enjoy (discovered by pirating) I have basic cable and don't want to spend another $40 for that tier - not just the money but I don't want to add 100 channels of crap either. I can't buy into watching just that show - online or otherwise.
I do have basic cable and end up watching 3 shows. I'm never home when the shows are on and often not sitting in front of the tv. I'm not interested in buying another box (dvr). Why can't I get what I want, when I want it on the computer too?
And then there are PAL movies and tv shows that play in my computer fine but not on tv which is just stupid.
Life is so much easier downloading and watching on my laptop that I don't think I'll ever go back to tv again.
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Except I don't recall those in the Constitution. But even if everyone conceded these points (without arguing their constitutionality), it's still beside the point he was making. Bad copyright law obliterates several Constitutional rights by taking away due process and stifling free speech.
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I particularly liked the statement about piracy existing and the way to deal with it being to do a better job of selling your content, sell it how the customer wants, sell it cheaper, etc: "If you don't like it, then sit in your basement and create your content for your love of the craft instead of for profit. But if you want to sell it to me, you're doing it my way."
Piracy is simply the market realization of empowered customers.
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I can all ready hear the chorus of "..but..but.. stepping over dollars to pick up pennies isn't a business model."
Mr. Smith does an excellent job of explaining how to get his money and quite possibly my money and probably a lot of other consumers' money.
One thing I think he could have focused on is the massive back catalogs of movies and TV (especially TV). There is a ton of content that is just sitting in vaults, not being sold and not being aired. I'm thinking that counts as lost sales.
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A market
I know many people that WOULD BUY, certain products/movies/music IF' it was available.
Insted of making REMAKES of REMAKES, let us buy our favorites, with the actors we WANTED..
Spending TIME in the $5-10 bin, from 10 minutes to hours..isnt what we desire.
There are hundreds of releases each year, from the major and minor studios, as well as OLD/wierd stuff, then there is the STUFF that will never get to a market NEAR YOU.. Stuff you can only find on the net.
They have a great chance to re-configure and design their WHOLE system, but they wont take it. They GOT their PIE long ago, and dont remember from the PAST.. WHY FIGHT IT, JOIN IT, and MAKE IT.. THEN control it.
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2. Big Food *has* tried to -and sometimes succeeded- in passing so-called 'food disparagement' laws; see: oprah, hamburger (if it hadn't been for her deep pockets and huge soapbox, it is entirely possible the texass cattlemen who went after her would have won their case)...
3. IN THAT REGARD, Big Food is *just like* Big Media, in that they will use their bought-and-paid-for pols, to push for laws ENTIRELY to benefit themselves, having NOTHING to do with the common good (in fact, contrary to the common good)...
4. similarly, Big Food has also gotten MANY other legal proscriptions enacted against free speech: you can't say your milk is BPH-free, 'cause that implies there is something wrong with BPH (well, there *IS*, but that is besides the point: IF i have free speech, WHY can't i say the milk i'm selling -or *whatever* product- is Venusian-free milk/whatever ? ? ?)...
in short, they are BOTH entitled, arrogant, ANTI-PEOPLE conglomerations of fictitious legal entities we call 'persons'... *snicker*
art guerrilla
aka ann archy
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I recall the stupidity of it when I bought the game Civilization 4. Played it a few times, then suddenly, it didn't work.
Called tech support. They asked if I had put it in a disc burner, which of course I had. I had one optical drive on that machine, that read and wrote. They put DRM on there that would toast the disk if you tried to copy it, which didn't actually work correctly. They had a lot of paying customers who had $50 coasters.
They graciously offered to send me new media if I sent them, at my expense, the bad disk.
Screw that. I torrented that bad boy.
If that makes me a pirate, then that makes them fraud artists.
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Why would you want to write to a malicious, faceless, uncaring entity that just feeds on people and tries to spread and spread without thinking of the damage it does? Why would you even try writing to the MP..I mean the RIA...I mean cancer?
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The Victory Garden
> asking the food companies to do better on
> calories/taste/freshness/whatever and until they do,
> I'll feel free to just shoplift whatever I want.
> They need to earn my money.
No. But I am free to grow my own. I can even use the remains of what I buy from Safeway to create my own copies.
I can make other forms of 'cheap knockoff' too. It's called cooking.
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Another great business model would be for them (hollywood? whoever they are) to buy IMDB and put a link next to everything that lets me DL or stream the show for a small fee. Again, it is the convenience of the service I am mainly paying for here, (and hopefully the breadth of service which is also something that pirate sites don't provide). I am already interested in the thing because I am looking it up on IMDB. Tap that interest and sell it to me on the spot! For unreleased stuff, provide trailers and alerts for when it is available to buy. And make things available within a week of theatrical (or immediately for tv show) release.
And that is just the start of what they could be doing to both make money and provide service to happy satisfied customers. It isn't hard to make services that can compete with pirate sites on convenience and breadth and depth of content and usability. I know I would hang out there. And then it becomes social and you (hollywood) win. Everybody wins in this scenario. Sure some people will still DL without paying, or share something they DLed from you with a friend. But that will be insignificant noise in a thriving ecosystem. The social stigma will become a negative towards those that take without paying once you (hollywood) make it easy for people to pay you and get whatever they want. There will be no need to bring law into the matter. As it is now, the social stigma is against you (hollywood) for acting like crybaby poopyheads. And it is going to keep getting worse until you change from your antagonistic selfish ways and play nice with the other kids in the sandbox. And if you would just try that, suddenly everything becomes unicorns and rainbows for everyone. Or continue kicking a temper tantrum off in the corner and the rest of the kids will just go outside and play without you.
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(And NO that was not a typo. They ARE BUTT PIRATES.)
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1. Convenience. It would be easy to find what you are looking for whenever you want to watch it.
2. Reliability. When you get it from there you wouldn't have to worry about whether it's incomplete, corrupted, or infected with some sort of malware.
3. Artist Support. People actually WANT to support the artists that make the stuff they enjoy. If the people distributing their content weren't being such greedy bastards they wouldn't have such a PR problem.
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And what's up with calling big things 'Big'? Big Food, Big Blue...if radio shock jocks formed a union, would it be called Big Assholes? If The Society Of People Named Richard met in Illinois would headlines scream "Big Dicks Overwhelm Chicago"?
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If you read the whole post you'd find that he does acknowledge that, more than once. But he also acknowledges that the "gatekeepers" most often do everything in their power not to pay the actual creators.
So, not that you'll get this, the creators are the musicians and songwriters. Occasionally when you get a producer with the skill of a Bob Rock or a Sir George Martin then include them as creators. The machinery, technicians, microphones, sound deadeners, cords and the girl who brings in lunch are NOT creators. The labels most certainly are NOT creators. Movie studios haven't been creators since their founders, movie makers, died and the studios got turned over to lawyers and accountants.
Now to the point you seem to find most offensive. When you enter retail there's really one rule "the customer is always right". When the customer decides your price is too high there's a perfect right to take their business elsewhere. When a customer feels you're doing something poorly she has a perfect right to point that out to you. When a customer feels ripped off he has a right to complain, notify the BBB, write letters to the editor and other forms of protest and communication and you, as the retailer, have little choice but to defend yourself or shape up.
In short, if you want to sell me something I have the right to tell you to do better.
You, also, obviously missed, that the Smith has made that as a result of downloading from file sharing sites or colleagues s/he is spending MORE on entertainment than before frequently buying the previously shared material. Smith also points out, as do Mike and others writing for this site that that kind of behaviour is NORMAL for file sharers.
Smith also points out what many (most) users of DRM'd material feel is that they've had enough of that. Most know or soon will should they ask how to crack 99.999% of DRM anyway so why bother when all it does is irritate the consumer, you know, the person you want to buy your movie/song/book etc to the extent that many feel they won't buy your output no matter what.
"It's all a focus on the consumer who is supposedly allowed to simply stamp his/her feet and if the hard working creators don't snap to it, the consumer will feel free to simply take it. Wow, that's a model of one spoiled brat."
And just who else should the focus be on? It's the consumer you want to buy your work, after all. It's the consumer who has the right to tell you, as a creator (which you more than obviously are not) to shape up, snap to it or they'll not buy from you. They MIGHT, as Smith says, download, but they won't buy. Ever.
Remember the customer is always right, even if that means the "creator" doesn't make a sale. So sad, too bad, that's how the free market works.
Smith's post focuses not on downloading but on just HOW to sell into the Web market and makes a number of valid points, none of which you address. Not that I expected you to, and not, I suspect, that you read the entire post. If any of it.
The mere fact that you, and others, trying to make the sale continue to say "you'll get it my way or not at all" shows just who the spoiled brat is. It also demonstrates just who is suffering from terminal entitlement syndrome and it certainly isn't Smith. A look in the mirror will tell you who it is.
And no, there is no analog to theft of a physical object like a grapefruit and downloading a file. If I take a grapefruit from my local Safeway there is a material good missing and one less for the store to sell. Sharing a file doesn't involve the removal of a physical object from anywhere. It copies what is already there, something computers do very well. They have to otherwise they wouldn't work. The original is still there. Waiting to be copied or sold to someone else.
At the end of the day a retailer, be it a member of the RIAA, MPAA or anyone else has the inalienable right to dictate terms of a sale or what the consumer can do for their personal use at a price or terms the consumer dislikes. The consumer will find the product elsewhere. Or a similar one. That is their right.
If the creator can't buy another bag of Frito's makes no difference at all. If some label exec can't afford his favourite hooker any more makes no difference at all.
Too bad a spoiled brat like you and the people you represent can't get that through your collective thick skulls.
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I have so many problems with his ENTITLEMENT it makes me sick to my stomach. This quote stood out:
Actually it IS their right, it has been their right BEFORE the internet even existed. The internet is not some magical realm where existing laws cease to be applicable. It is a communication medium, a transportation mechanism for data. I can copy lots of things, I could copy everything that any internet service provides and call it my own, but it wouldn't make it right.
Another point in his message was this gem in the paragraph immediately following:
This is exactly what the internet did: it took control away from you and gave it to me.
No, the internet didn't do that, YOU made a conscious decision to break the law. The internet is a tool, just like other tools that can be used for good and evil (crowbar, brick, car, gun, dynomite, etc..) Piracy was possible without the internet, you just feel safer now than before, because you think people can't see what you're doing.
Now his threat:
File sharing isn't causing you to spend more, your addiction to content as the result of the changing world and your maturing age are causing you to consume more content. If your file sharing was taken away you would spend MORE money on content, not less. You have proven you are addicted, its obvious from your quote, "Yes, I download more than $200 worth of content a month".
Have you ever even considered all the free stuff the studios DO put out? The trailers, the clips, the interviews, etc... Yes, it's promoting the film, it's giving you something for free for you to make a decision whether it interests you or not. Viewing the entire work to determine if you like it is like taking the entire sample tray at the food court. You're welcome to sample a piece not the entire thing.
This view is so common around here I wish I could use a BOLD typeface:
They can charge whatever they want, do you really think it costs Bently $300,000 to make a car? Do you really think it costs $1 to make a pack of gum? When you purchase consumer goods, you are not paying for just the cost of manufacturing those goods. You are paying for the raw materials, the labor, the market analysis, the advertising, the packaging, the markup for the retailer, etc... These same costs are there for creative goods, except the costs are significantly higher for things like talent (the actors, the director, the musicians, etc..) which would be considered "the labor". Just because something costs nothing to duplicate does not mean that the cost of production is zero. You are acting as if the actors, directors, grips, audio technicians, cinematographers, etc.. were not paid. You fail to realize that these are expenses that have already been paid out. The reason you are being charged is to recoup those expenses and hopefully gain a profit. I realize there are instances where enormously popular works have yet to show a "profit" and that may be the result of shenanigans - probably through setting up some "production" company that consumes all the profit. Regardless, ignoring the upfront production costs is ridiculous.
Entitlement Alert:
So you're taking one thing you dislike about the delivery mechanism of a product and boycotting ever buying from that company again, and telling them you will STEAL their product instead. I can find tons of things I hate about many products, but I would never take the unethical and illegal road to obtain a product because I didn't like a limitation of the delivery mechanism.
Thsi is ENTITLEMENT to the max:
I can STEAL A CAR but it's still ILLEGAL. Previously this pirate claimed that he wanted Hulu on his phone, and his music on his phone. Guess what, my phone allows me to shop for MUSIC on my phone and provides me with 1 minute previews to songs. If a record company CHOOSES to market it's songs by offering entire length previews you should be grateful, but you should not DICTATE how a company markets its products. I can't demand that I should be given a 1 week test drive for a car by going to the lot and taking one.
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The point is that this is how pirates think. You don't have to like it, you don't have to agree with it, but it's a reality nonetheless. It's not going away, and it can't be stopped.
What you call statements of entitlement are actually points demonstrating how copyright holders can make money on their stuff even in the face of piracy. They are countering the usual, and hilariously untrue, argument that people just pirate "because they want free stuff".
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Yes, that's true. Only in so far as they're fine not making money for it. As soon as you want to make money from it...the market takes over.
This has been true before the internet, before mail order catalogs, before recorded music, before "talkies" before printed money.
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If you're going to make these tangible goods analogies you have to complete the analogy.
If you went to a car dealer and demanded a test drive and they say no. Odds are you're not going to buy from them.
So far the analogy holds true to what the article is saying. You'll take your transportation budget elsewhere.
However, if you walk down the street and there's an infinite supply of the car you might want and no matter how many you take no one ever is without that car if they don't want.
Perhaps you'd change your mind.
And if you're the dealer you have two choices:
1) You can willfully ignore the reality down the street of what you're competing with and sit around bitching about why no one is buying your cars. Or..
2) Do whatever every other sane business does and listens to their customer and determines how to get their money.
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"But they need to eat, pay the rent, purchase health insurance and SUE EVERYONE!"
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If you own a store and I shoplift from you, I'm stealing a product that you paid for, essentially transferring your capital to me. On top of that, you can no longer sell the product to anybody else, depriving you of future revenue, thus making it impossible to ever recoup your capital expenditure.
If I "steal" digital content from you, your position does not change at all, except in the hypothetical, in that you can argue (though no way 100% prove) I am less likely to purchase the product in the future. You still have every chance of recovering your capital expenditures, because you have not lost any real assets in this process. If I turn around and share the file, it could be argued that there is a network effect, but again you still have to prove a causal link between not downloading and purchasing.
If you think about it, the "piracy" model is no different than the radio or television model from a user's perspective, except that they're in control of the content/programming schedule. Why should people think it's bad to download television shows when they're used to seeing them for free on television their entire lives... likewise for songs on the radio? Do you really think that people were less likely to purchase a record because it was played several times a day on the radio?
In a way, content distributors at this point have no business model except for providing artificial scarcity.
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A great plan. That might even actually stop "piracy" (well probably not in Europe since the European Court of Human Rights largely considers removing internet access from a prisoner to be inhumane but there you go).
Except for one small thing.... The US usually has about 1% of it's population in jail or around 3 MILLION people and the system is groaning at the seams. According to a quick search about 80% of the US population uses the internet and industry figures claim about 16% of US users are "pirates" of some kind.
So in summary your wonderful plan is to lock up around FOUR MILLION people on top of the 3 million the system already can't cope with.
Were you going to write a cheque for the difference? Or is your plan to let out all the violent offenders to make way for the clearly far more heinous "crime" of infringement and shoot the rest?
If not, try re-reading the article and connecting it to reality.
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I bootleg your tv shows cause Of many reasons outlined below.
1 bit torrent downloads are faster than ITunes. 6 minutes to download 2 1/2 men episode on bit torrent
2 you take forever to sell tv shows I like. Example Boardwalk Empire I want to buy ASAP not wait half a year.
3 your formats do not work on my DVD player. MPEG DIVIX, XVID OK?
4 many shows are just not available anywhere else
5 I live outside the USA, I would like to watch shows when they come out instead of waiting the 2-5 years before it comes out on satellite. (like the tv show 'the unit'
6 I have worked in hollyweird. I know your attitudes, and you are really unpleasant people to deal with. You don't pay your bills on time. You cheat your suppliers. Why should I give you 40 dollars for a digital download?
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Fail to work to make options attractive - or available, for that matter - to consumers, and you won't deserve the perks of doing so.
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I have so many problems with your ENTITLEMENT it made me vomit right away.
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By the opinion of these mental giants, I stole from the restaurant industry when I cooked my own meal last night. Oh, and that time I skipped breakfast? Some orange juice and jam manufacturers went bankrupt because of me...
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Unless you want some Pink Floyd or AC/DC, then you're still told to bugger off. Want to check out that new Metallica album in Spotify before you part with your cash for a blind buy? Bugger off. Already own the album but want that extra track that's only available on the repackaged version? Bugger off. And so on...
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Apart from the lifetime support strawman, yes. Those are pretty much the criteria I've ever demanded - I don't recall being stopped from opening a book because I'm in the wrong country or being prevented from playing a CD because I used the wrong brand of CD player. I don't demand support for the Megadrive cartridges I bought 25 years ago, but I sure as hell demand that the single player game I bought last week still works when I'm not online. You're also damn right that I demand reasonable pricing.
If you don't offer me that, you lose my money, because you're not offering me a product I wish to pay for. I think you might be starting to understand, even though you still clearly understand why these things are important.
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So let's go with the "real-world-car-analogy" as it is so popular.
You bought a car which has a cd-player in it. A year later the same car comes out with a cd-player that can also play mp3-tracks. And now imagine you had to buy the new car instead of replacing the cd-player in your old car...
Everybody on this planet and their dogs would call such an idea INSANITY. But the entertainment industry insists on THEIR RIGHT (aka entitlement) TO DO IT THEIR WAY OR NO-WAY.
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Freudian slip, perhaps?
"No, the internet didn't do that, YOU made a conscious decision to break the law."
Yes, you mental giant you, that's exactly what he's saying. He took control. Doesn't matter to him if it was illegal or not, he still has control.
"If your file sharing was taken away you would spend MORE money on content, not less."
Sadly, your take on reality is false. Many pirates have bought content they would never have paid for without having previewed it first. He's literally saying that he spent MORE, not less, after he started pirating. But, your arguments would never have a foothold if you couldn't make moronic false assumptions about the buying habits of others, would they?
"They can charge whatever they want, do you really think it costs Bently $300,000 to make a car? "
I don't know. Never bought one because they're too expensive. Does that mean I'm stealing Bentleys now?
"So you're taking one thing you dislike about the delivery mechanism of a product and boycotting ever buying from that company again, and telling them you will STEAL their product instead."
Apart from the theft idiocy, OK let's not do that. Remove the second part. I'm still not buying your product. Still think piracy is your problem?
"Guess what, my phone allows me to shop for MUSIC on my phone and provides me with 1 minute previews to songs."
Can you buy any song you want, in any format you want, from any outlet you want, at a competitive price? Didn't think so.
"If a record company CHOOSES to market it's songs by offering entire length previews you should be grateful"
Oh yes, glorious corporate gods! I'm so grateful that you choose to actually let me see what I'm buying first!!! I bow down to your divine wisdom!!!
Moron.
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Good point. I actually missed this the first time. So he actually admits that people OWN the content they purchase. Good, then what gives you the right to tell me how to use the property I legally purchased?
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If you argue with it, you're simply missing the point and deserve to lose business.
My interpretation of the bottom line:
1) Remember that when it comes to entertainment, I have the power now, not you.
2) If you want my money, stop screwing with me.
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While I agree with that to an extent, if it stays a service problem for a long enough period of time, as with downloadable music, it eventually becomes a pricing a problem because the consumer base gets used to getting the product for free and it is hard to get them to pay just because it is "the right thing to do."
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The Content Cartels attempt to take away our constitutional rights and civil liberties and rape and pillage the artists they are contracted to represent.
Now you tell me which one better fits the description of a "pirate"?
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Someone who "file shares" (a.k.a. steals) intellectual property, and in the same breath writes an open letter to the industry from which he is stealing is - odd, to say the least, hypocritical, to say a bit more.
Its the same as someone seeing a Porsche. They feel the pricing & distribution model of Porsche is not fair. After all, the number made per year is limited compared to other cars. They also mumble under their breath that its just a mediocre car. So, they decide to steal one. As the stolen car is now parked in their garage as they have driven it home, they decide to write an open letter to Porsche headquarters, scolding them about their bad pricing model and manufacturing & release policy - they need to make more cars per year!
The scenario sounds so absurd when we apply it to physical properly - but it is no different with intellectual property.
Ok - I'm sure someone will argue that a car is physical property, vs a movie is digital, if I'm making an electronic copy - the original is still intact and nothing is "stolen". This type of argument is complete nonsense. When you buy a car - you are paying for a physical device. When you buy a Movie - you are paying for intellectual stimulation that the movie provides - laughter, sadness, adrenalin, etc. *That* is what you are paying for, and *that* is what is being stolen - period. You can degenerate the movie, say it was mediocre, and not worth paying for - but the fact of the matter is - it was good enough for you to download and watch - so all that is irrelevant.
The *only* proper response to not agreeing with the movie industries pricing and release practices is to:
1) NOT infringe on their content
2) NOT purchase their content
3) send them letters as to why you are not consuming their content.
Mike does have one thing right - Infringing on their content helps their business.
Infringing on their content just has them laughing all the way to the bank.
1) As their sales numbers indicate the infringement probably *helps* their sales, not hurts. and
2) Since infringement is boosting their sales via viral (free) marketing & distribution of their content, which people buy anyway - they have no pressure at all to change their business model - why would they since things are going so well for them right now.
3) They get to stay on a high moral horse, and point the finger at those infringing as the reason why we need SOPA and other measures to solidify their position & business models against illegal activity.
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And who are we 'stealing' this intellectual stimulation from? Who are we depriving of this?
No one.
Got back to analogy camp.
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Copy != Depriving/Stealing
The second you refused to make that rather obvious distinction and used the word "stealing" you revealed your bias and clueness nature.
Oh, and I'm not a pirate, and I agree with the guy who you replied to. Not everyone is a pirate. Some of us are normal people who pay for the content we enjoy, but we also are rational and able to acknowledge the distinct difference between depriving someone of something (theft/stealing) and making a copy (which leaves the original intact and in fact creates one more of the product).
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I tried to read it without seeing the entitlement and I couldn't
But the theme throughout was feed me content for free to wet my appetite and then I'll become a paying customer. He says that he downloads to avoid getting burned by bad content. But then he unapologetically admits that he only paid for 1 out of 4 albums from an artist he liked. He justifies it as the first three he found made him like the guy so that's why he bought the 4th, and the artist should not lament the 3 lost sales because if not for the downloads he would not have bought the one he did. If he did not have a sense of entitlement then he would have found a way to go back a buy the 3 albums he liked, or paid for the 4th one 4 times to fairly compensate someone for 4 products he enjoyed.
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You would be depriving it of yourself if you hadn't stole/bought the movie. Someone is offering you to make you laugh if you would pay him to do it.
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