MPAA Pretends Dodd Didn't Say That New SOPA Negotiations Were Underway

from the nice-try-guys dept

Fri, Apr 6th 2012 1:29pm — Mike Masnick

So Chris Dodd just said that there were ongoing backroom negotiations for a new SOPA, with some push from the White House. Of course, he did it with a wink and a nod, by saying he was "confident" that such was "the case" but that he wouldn't "go into more detail, because obviously if I do, it becomes counterproductive." When asked to clarify, he made it clear that Obama was pressuring the tech community to agree to a version of SOPA:

I'm not going to revisit the events of last winter. I'll only say to you that I'm confident he's using his good relationships in both communities to do exactly what you and I have been talking about.

For all the winking and nodding, the meaning of the statement was pretty clear. Of course, now that it's getting plenty of attention and the MPAA is getting slammed from every direction for continuing its braindead backroom strategy, the organization is simply denying Dodd said what he said:

"Sen Dodd did not say SOPA is coming back to life. He said the tech and entertainment industries need to come together to work on a new solution and those conversations are beginning. SOPA is gone. The path forward now is a serious conversation between all involved industries about new solutions, and that was Sen Dodd's point."

That's an interesting twist on what he actually said, but even if we take the MPAA at their word, this still shows how out of touch they are. Notice that they say the path forward is not an open conversation with internet users. Nope. It's a backroom negotiation between "all involved industries." It's as if the MPAA can't even get its mind around the fact that the stakeholders here are the internet users -- or that any such discussions should be done in public. Instead, the only thing it can think of is that it has to negotiate in backrooms with industry reps. I don't think I've ever come across an organization so ridiculously tone deaf.

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weneedhelp (profile), 6 Apr 2012 @ 1:36pm

Dodd's days are numbered
He will be fired soon. He just cant keep his big mouth shut.
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Anonymous Coward, 6 Apr 2012 @ 1:44pm

", the clear meaning of the statement was pretty clear"

Please reword this? Please? Remove the first 'clear' maybe?
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weneedhelp (profile), 6 Apr 2012 @ 1:47pm

MPAA Chief Christopher Dodd Says SOPA Debate Isn't Over
"Sen Dodd did not say SOPA is coming back to life. He said the tech and entertainment industries need to come together to work on a new solution and those conversations are beginning. SOPA is gone.

MPAA Chief Christopher Dodd Says SOPA Debate Isn't Over
http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/mpaa-christopher-dodd-sopa-bully-harvey-weinstein-rating s-308359#disqus_thread

And the greetards wonder why we have absolutely no respect for this organization. Sheesh.
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AG Wright (profile), 6 Apr 2012 @ 1:48pm

Can the entertainment industry learn?
Really they are just not getting it. It wasn't the tech industry that protested.
It was people. Just regular people that did a little research and decided that they didn't like what the studios and record companies wanted to do.
We as a group protested so loud and so long that even brain dead politicians realized that it wasn't in their best interest to continue on their chosen path. They realized that even grandmothers were opposed to what they were trying to do.
The skids are now greased. We know what to do and how to do it. They just haven't learned that.
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Jay (profile), 6 Apr 2012 @ 1:52pm

Re: MPAA Chief Christopher Dodd Says SOPA Debate Isn't Over
Can the US government please stop negotiating with economic terrorists?
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sad panda, 6 Apr 2012 @ 1:54pm

Re: Can the entertainment industry learn?
I really, really want to agree BUT your average person, just doesn't care or has the time to. Without the "tech" industry showcasing the problems and making it noticeable and making it reasonable easy to react - these a-holes will get what they want passed if the can keep the google, wiki etc inline.
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Leigh Beadon (profile), 6 Apr 2012 @ 1:57pm

Re:
Please reword this? Please? Remove the first 'clear' maybe?

fixed, thanks!
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Anonymous Coward, 6 Apr 2012 @ 1:58pm

All industries huh? So it's all about splitting the pie among the big corporations? What about the public? Don't they get a say in this, too - you know the millions of people that revolted against SOPA? Or do they want a repeat for that?
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Anonymous Coward, 6 Apr 2012 @ 2:05pm

Just do it already...
I'll say again what I said a month ago. Google should take them up on their offer to have a meeting for closed negotiations. Then record the entire thing and distribute it on the Internet without telling the MPAA that this was what they were going to do so that the general public sees EXACTLY what these guys are trying to pull and how they go about it.
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jupiterkansas (profile), 6 Apr 2012 @ 2:15pm

Re: Just do it already...
Actually Google should just buy them.
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HereticMIND, 6 Apr 2012 @ 2:23pm

SOPA/PIPA 2.0 vs THE ENTIRE INTERNET
disgunbgood.gif

If only the bigwigs in Hollywood learned their lesson...

Then again, if they didn't, this wouldn't be as much fun as it is.
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Mega1987 (profile), 6 Apr 2012 @ 2:38pm

Damn....
Don't fool us!
We're not cavemans nor K-9 you can fool by giving us some treat while you plan behind our backs.

You guys we're voted to SEVER the public, not to serve a few selected VIP or the high-class only.
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Mason Wheeler, 6 Apr 2012 @ 3:05pm

Time to push back
If they're going to keep pushing for more, we need to push back just as hard. Time to take our own demands to Congress. We need three basic changes:

1. Throw out the DMCA "safe harbor" law. Some short-sighted people claim it's useful or even necessary for helping the Internet work. They say it's what enables systems like YouTube to exist. Well, that's nonsense. The safe harbor protection is redundant, and the baggage it brings along with it--DMCA takedowns--are a serious threat to the open Internet. The same protection for useful sites such as YouTube can be assured by codifying that any site that hosts user-generated content operates under the aegis of pre-existing common carrier law, which states that a service whose function is to transmit other people's work bears no liability for the content of that work.

2. Completely reverse the digital locks and anti-circumvention provisions. DRM is a technology with no moral legitimacy, and it deserves no legal legitimacy either. Our most sacred legal tradition is that a person accused of a crime is innocent until proven guilty. DRM takes that doctrine and spits in its face. If the DRM software says you're guilty, not only are you not innocent until proven guilty, you're not even guilty until proven innocent. You're simply "guilty because I said so," with no appeal, and (the DRM author's private interpretation of) the penalty for breaking the law is enforced upon you. A private individual taking the law into their own hands is known as vigilantism, and a remote programmer overriding the will of the owner of a computer is known as hacking. Both are quite illegal in any other context, for very good reasons. Why should they be legal in the context of copyright infringement? We need to classify DRM as what it is: a hacking tool whose only use, outside of carefully-controlled security research, is to violate people's rights.

3) Access to the Internet needs to be classified as a basic right of civilization, on the same order as access to electricity and running water, meaning that no provider may be allowed to restrict it in any way unless the customer is unable to pay. The only exception should be for criminals who have had this right specifically limited through judicial action. (Child pornographers come to mind.)

With this, we can turn the piracy debate inside out. Our message needs to be, "piracy is your problem, and you have zero right to make it my problem until and unless you are able to prove in court that I am part of the problem."

The entertainment industry isn't going to stop pushing, so we need to push back, and keep pushing until we enshrine that principle in law.
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[citation needed or GTFO], 6 Apr 2012 @ 3:09pm

Troll Prediction
I don't think I've ever come across an organization so ridiculously tone deaf.

How long do you think it'll be before the usual shills accuse Mike, Leigh or any of the TechDirt community of the same thing?
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MrWilson, 6 Apr 2012 @ 3:55pm

Re: Troll Prediction
I'll get it over with.

"Mike is ridiculously tone deaf to the absurd arguments of the paid shills who work for rich middlemen. And he's a dirty pirate too!"
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silverscarcat (profile), 6 Apr 2012 @ 5:04pm

Re: Re: Troll Prediction
You didn't insult him enough.
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Anonymous Coward, 6 Apr 2012 @ 6:33pm

Re: Just do it already...
Just don't do it in one of those states where recording someone without their knowledge is wiretapping regardless of the fact that no wires are being tapped.
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Anonymous Coward, 6 Apr 2012 @ 8:11pm

Re: Re: Re: Troll Prediction
Okay, how's this?

MIKE IS PIRATE HITLER, KILLS BABIES, KISSES THE ASS OF ALMIGHTY GOOGLE AND IS PRO-LIFE! TRULY HE IS THE DEVIL INCARNATE, DESTROYER OF WORLDS, AND AN ALL TOGETHER -BAD GUY-!
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Anonymous Coward, 6 Apr 2012 @ 8:23pm

Re: Re: Re: Re: Troll Prediction
Needs more Big Search/Piracy/etc
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Watchit (profile), 6 Apr 2012 @ 10:20pm

Re: Dodd's days are numbered
I say we try and keep him in as long as possible so he'll keep making mistakes like this ;D
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Watchit (profile), 6 Apr 2012 @ 10:20pm

Re: Re:
Yeah, I do that sometimes myself, I hate it when I notice it and read it out loud :D
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Watchit (profile), 6 Apr 2012 @ 10:22pm

Re: Re: MPAA Chief Christopher Dodd Says SOPA Debate Isn't Over
Hey only the government and mass media are allowed to sling around the "T" word!
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Watchit (profile), 6 Apr 2012 @ 10:32pm

A time to be careful
We have to be careful on how we word are argument against future internet/copyright regulation bills. When protest over new maximalist bills start, and there will be new bills, the media and government will use "This bill isn't SOPA" as a scapegoat. Instead of taking our arguments at face value (ha!), they will just brush us under the rug by claiming that it is just hyperbole, left over outrage over SOPA, and that their bill is nothing like SOPA, rather than answering our real concerns about the bill.
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That One Guy (profile), 7 Apr 2012 @ 8:35am

Re: Re: Just do it already...
Nice idea, but considering how much they apparently consider one song/movie to be worth, I can only imagine that they would price their own worth to be something along the lines of enough money to equal the weight of a decent sized planet.
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TDR, 7 Apr 2012 @ 10:25am

MPAA: Pay no attention to that moron behind the camera!

Seriously, if Dodd had his foot any further in his mouth it'd be coming out of his back end.
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[citation needed or GTFO], 7 Apr 2012 @ 8:34pm

Funny, isn't it?
Whenever TechDirt talks about how Dodd screwed up in the face of the public and PR denies him ever saying such things...

...there are no trolls or shills who are willing to stand up for him.

It's as if even they know that Dodd's a lost cause at this point. :)
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Anonymous Coward, 8 Apr 2012 @ 2:52pm

Re: Funny, isn't it?
I've never seen TAM and Dodd in the same room together!
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Anonymous Coward, 9 Apr 2012 @ 5:06am

Re: Re: Re: Just do it already...
If we are talking about publicly traded corporations, about 125% of the market cap should be sufficient, regardless what the media company 'thinks' their holdings to be worth.
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tuck, 9 Apr 2012 @ 7:53pm

Re:
I agree with this--just haven't heard much from Internet users about what alternative may be--should there be no such thing as intellectual property? And should that then be reflected in mainstream society? Seems like that would be a mess...

See, I'm all about protecting intellectual property, but I don't want the government snooping on me. Here's a suggestion: Get the snooping out of the bill, and I'll reconsider!

Instead of us all complaining, maybe we should offer them suggestions. I just think 'everything on the Internet should be free' is pretty much false. Look at advertising. So what should we propose?
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The Understudy, 9 Apr 2012 @ 7:54pm

Re: Re: Re: Re: Just do it already...
lol I'd love to hear what Google says, as well, in that convo.
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Anonymous Coward, 9 Apr 2012 @ 7:55pm

Re: Time to push back
dude, privacy will be everyone's problem soon.
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