Charles Carreon Stops Digging, At Least For The Moment: Dismisses His Lawsuit [Updated]
from the put-down-the-popcorn dept
Well, we may have found at least a temporary answer to the question of "just how far will Charles Carreon dig?" According to Mark Lemley, one of the lawyers representing IndieGoGo against Carreon, Charles Carreon has just dismissed his lawsuit. One hopes this means that he's finally realized that this entire process was a mistake. A broad apology for massive overreaction after massive overreaction from Carreon (and his wife who apparently referred to us at Techdirt as a "nazi scumbag") might be nice, but if it's just a general admission that he had gone too far, that seems good enough. Of course, given how far he went, and his repeated insistence on not giving up, I do wonder if this is really the end of all of this. Somehow I doubt it. This is a voluntary dismissal, which means he could refile. But, for a brief moment, it appears that he's stopped digging.Update: Carreon is apparently declaring victory, claiming that the lawsuit gave him what he wanted. Uh, yeah. He sued to make sure that Matthew Inman and IndieGoGo did exactly what they said they were going to do... and then when they did exactly what they promised to do, he claims that's a victory? At best, he did two things: had Inman limit the donations to just two charities rather than four, and made Inman take some of his own money out of the bank to photograph it (as promised) for Funnyjunk, rather than use the actual money raised during the IndieGoGo campaign. If his goal there was to force that to prevent embarrassment I don't see how that's a victory. Does anyone honestly believe that Carreon came out of this with a better reputation than if he'd just let the original plans happen? Carreon could still face requests for legal fees from those he sued, though it wouldn't surprise me if they all just dropped it. Carreon seems to think the newfound attention he's received is a good thing, which just shows how completely out of touch he is. As Ars Technica notes:
But if the defendants pursued attorney's fees, the attention might be worth it for Charles Carreon. After asking for comment on his voluntary dismissal of charges, Carreon lilted over the phone, "I'm famous, I'm notorious." Which, from the looks of it, is exactly what he wants.There are times that it's worthwhile to be notorious. And there are times that it's not. This is the second one.
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Filed Under: carreon effect, charles carreon, digging, dismissal, matthew inman, the oatmeal
Companies: american cancer society, indiegogo, national wildlife foundation
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Somebody revoke his law license!
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Carreon Claims Victory
"But while it may look like Carreon has come to his senses, Ars called Carreon to comment, and found him declaring the lawsuit a success. "Mission Accomplished," Carreon announced on the phone with Ars. We've heard that somewhere else before.
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But if the defendants pursued attorney's fees, the attention might be worth it for Charles Carreon. After asking for comment on his voluntary dismissal of charges, Carreon lilted over the phone, "I'm famous, I'm notorious." Which, from the looks of it, is exactly what he wants."
http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2012/07/carreon-claims-victory-drops-his-lawsuit-again st-the-oatmeal-et-al/
Yes he is. He's now a notorious douchebag, famous for filing frivolous lawsuits. The world has had a long hard look at his bully tactics and past behavior, and will for a long time to come any time his name is Googled. He's gotten a righteous smackdown from the EFF and one is underway from Public Citizen, and what did he accomplish? Absolutely nothing. Inman did what he said from the beginning he would do. Just waiting for that money shot now...
2 weeks ago he said this in an interview:
"Carreon tells Comic Riffs one of his goals is to become the go-to attorney for people who feel they have been cyber-vandalized or similarly wronged on the Internet."
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/comic-riffs/post/funnyjunk-lawyer-suing-the-oatmea l-cartoonist-inman-over-indiegogo-charity-drive/2012/06/18/gJQAbZhDlV_blog.html
Somehow I think he's being overly optimistic.
Anyways, Happy Fourth everyone! Enjoy the fireworks!
Or make your own...
http://www.woodlands-junior.kent.sch.uk/customs/guy/fireworks/index.htm
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It's not like that would have been very hard. Denial is the easiest human behavior of all to predict. To be honest I haven't really paid much attention to this whole didactical narrative. It all just seemed too puerile to be of much interest. The "Nazi" comment Tara made caught my eye though, being directed at all of us as it is, so I decided to read up a bit on what all the fuss is about.
Each comment of hers caused the same visual to repeatedly pop into my head; one of a five year old child throwing a temper tantrum in a crowded shopping mall, something I'm sure most of us have seen at one point or another during our lives. Much of what she's been quoted as saying blows my mind! Does Tara truly believe she and her husband are walking the high road in this whole affair?
I've been an internet user since it's inception (BBS prior to that) and have never seen anyone as crazy or deluded as she is. Yes I have encountered some pretty crazy folks in my time, but nobody that bonkers. She appears to be guilty of much of the same childish behavior she rails against too. Does she have a history of mental illness or was she just raised that way? I can't help but wonder. If sympathy and support is what she's after, she's definitely going about it the wrong way. Perhaps it's more about attention seeking than anything else? I know people will do all kinds of questionable things for just that alone. What a sad life she must lead.
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It's going to be a LOOOOOONG time before they could redeem their former image. Until then... wait, what are we going to do now? Wait for the next idiotic lawyer to come and mess with the Internet? Gah, that seems sooo long!
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His filing:
http://ia600809.us.archive.org/8/items/gov.uscourts.cand.256114/gov.uscourts.cand.256114.30 .0.pdf
I truly hope he is not let off the hook that easily. Others have racked up attorney's fees for his frivolous actions and those costs should fall on him as well as court costs. Both the bar and the court need to seriously take a look at his unethical behavior as well.
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It's one of many illogical explanations. *nods* True story.
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If that happens, screw the popcorn. I'm going into the marshmallow business!
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Sanity?
Somehow I doubt it.
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Once you are afflicted by the China Syndrome you can't stop that easy.
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I fully expect he'll return to digging once he's had a brief respite.
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Shall we start a pool?
2. He won't refile, but will make loud noises about how he was bullied by internet vandals and had to stop for fear of his life.
3. He'll refile and continue his lunacy.
If betting here, please post your wager in internet points, and when it will occur. Whoever guesses the correct action and date wins the pot.
I'm putting 2000 internet points on option 2, starting the afternoon of July 5th, 2012.
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Option 2 August 9, 2013
He'll wait at least a year, from he's openly stupid threat letter ..
" That I have the known capacity to litigate appeals for years (check my Westlaw profile, and of course, the drawn out history of Penguin v. American Buddha, now in its third year, having passed through the Second Circuit and the NYCA, and still hung up in personal jurisdiction in the SDNY). "
He will spend a year searching for any legal theory that will help his case, also watching for the passage of any new law that he can use ( TPP, SOPA like ). He's already mentioned he's got the cash, I think he also has the patience of the 'Weapon Grade Crazy'.
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( Dyslexic )
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To whit, he'll quietly go away for a while, will then start making noises about being bullied and then, after the passing of a convenient law, will start all this shite again.
What odds will you give me?
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Imagine the struggle
Maybe he's just so far gone, he's retaliating even against himself.
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I'm also betting on option 2 on July 5, but starting the morning sometime. I'm putting up FIVE BAJILLION INTERNET POINTS.
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Comedy
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Someone lit a candle in the midnight black landscape of his mental instability
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does he have any other cases moving forward right now?
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This crazy train just doesn't stop!
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Maybe I'll have the time to get stuff done again...
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Reason Goes Where?
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Could there be any higher praise from a nutjob like her?
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http://i159.photobucket.com/albums/t160/deepskyblues/aircraft-carreon.png
Not much of a looker is he?
A good read from Adam Steinbaugh too:
"And, so, with the judge about to dismiss his TRO application as legally pointless, and just as the big guns come out, Carreon packs away his water pistol and declares victory on behalf of a public that didn�t want or need his help � and having accomplished nothing but provide them with entertainment at the expense of valuable public and charitable resources � and rides into the sunset. We call this cowardice."
Read the whole thing here. It's a good recap:
http://adamsteinbaugh.com/2012/07/03/carreons-pyrrhic-victory-isnt-over-yet/
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Yup. Everyone is now familiar with Charles Carreon, "that crazy lawyer guy that made a bunch of half-baked legal attacks on the American Cancer Society". The perfect guy to hire if you want a judge to drop your claims fast enough to break the sound barrier.
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... Excuse me, I'm going to laugh in the corner over there.
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lawl yeah right
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Keep Calm And Carreon
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all publicity is good publicity. i don't care if us shills look retarded, looking retarded and sounding like a moron gets us more publicity and that's always a good thing.
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Yes I am a sad, strange little man. ;)
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The Streisand Effect is the effect that occurs when an attempt to remove or hide information causes that information to become more widely publicized.
So, you could say that the Carreon Effect is the effect that occurs when an attempt to advise someone that their position is untenable causes them to double and quadruple down on said position.
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And which results in further piling on of the obvious across the interwebs, thus bringing even more attention to the dubiousness of said Maneuver.
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Real motives perhaps?
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More like the 12 year old kid who crashes his bike into a tree, and insists 'I meant to do that'.
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You have been found in violation of Genetic Patent #D265,936,067,174,935.d, The Human Stupidity Gene. You are hereby ordered to pay a fine not less than $34,856,927.23; watch 17 random, specially-selected Disney indoctrination films; and report to the nearest detention center for removal of said patented gene and any growths, alterations, or mutations arising thereof.
Thank you, and have a nice day!
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