Yet More Evidence Shows No Link Between Video Games And Actual Violence
from the outlier dept
Well, well, well. With the NRA planning to blame violent video games and movies, and eager grandstanding politicians, pundits and some members of an angry public ready to do the same, it seems like it might be useful to look at some actual data.Senator Jay Rockefeller -- one of the grandstandingest grandstanders on this particular issue -- has already introduced a bill demanding that the National Academy of Sciences "study the impact of violent video games and other content on children." The speed with which this was introduced suggests that it was already sitting in a desk drawer, just waiting for a tragedy to exploit.
But, the thing is, we've got a ton of evidence already. The moral panic crew always claims that there are studies that support their argument that violent video games are bad, but that's not true. Every single study they cite tends to either have serious methodological problems, or to show something other than claimed (such as the fact that immediately after playing a violent video game, gamers may feel slightly more aggressive -- but with no evidence this lasts or leads to violence). A few years ago, a very thorough review of all of the research trying to connect video games to violence showed that there was no real evidence of any real world impact. Instead, what they found was that some studies used "poorly standardized and unreliable measure of aggression" to make their arguments, but that no study had shown any real world impact. Furthermore, in going through all the research, they concluded that "Overall, effects were negligible, and we conclude that media violence generally has little demonstrable effect on aggressive behavior."
Even the American Psychological Association, who had, in the past, warned about violent video games, recently walked back that warning, after it, too, reviewed a whole bunch of studies and found nothing to support the claims that violent video games lead to increased violence. The one possible exception was that for "a small minority with pre-existing personality or mental health problems," video games might possibly exacerbate the condition. But, the problem there was more on the mental health side, rather than the video game side:
"Violent video games are like peanut butter," said Christopher J. Ferguson, of Texas A&M International University. "They are harmless for the vast majority of kids but are harmful to a small minority with pre-existing personality or mental health problems."That same study also showed that much of the research shows that video games can actually be quite useful to children.
He added that studies have revealed that violent games have not created a generation of problem youngsters.
"Recent research has shown that as video games have become more popular, children in the United States and Europe are having fewer behavior problems, are less violent and score better on standardized tests," Ferguson, a guest editor for the journal, explained.
Finally, the Washington Post recently published a Ten-country comparison of video game spending to gun-related murders. Let me know if you can spot the outlier.
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Yet more evidence that it does!
You're just on this because your fanboy-trolls always respond like rabid ankle-biters, yapping their heads off: "I play video games alla time and I ain't never killed nobody!" (And it tweaks others to protest, but right now I'm just pre-tweaking the fanboys; it's a vice, I admit.)
Playing ANY video game is a waste of time. They've evolved from heroic role-playing into sheer slaughter. Pretending you're killing people CAN'T be good.
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Recreational reading is a waste of time. Watching a movie is a waste of time. TV is a waste of time. Going for a vacation is a waste of time. Sleeping is a waste of time. And I could go on and on and on.
Honestly, the pleasures and joys of life are what give life meaning. A video game for many of us is much more than just fragging aliens, monsters and soldiers, they are a new artistic medium for telling story, immersing people into a new creative experience. If you don't enjoy it, that's fine, you can do whatever else it is that you do enjoy.
Play Backgammon, maybe, but you're still "wasting your time".
Life is not always about work, raising children, creating children, and etc. How we enjoy life, is every bit as important as how we sustain it.
The conclusion that video games can be violent, thus today's youth are becoming more violent as a result is flawed. If that were a true statement we would find MORE cases of violence throughout our community increasing as each year goes by. Not less, as many other studies are showing.
The media is sensationalizing everything, and unscrupulous cretins are taking advantage of tragedy to shove their agenda down everyone's throat.
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It's better than actually killing people!
Of course, if you want to be the subject, I'd be delighted to test your theory out...on you, OotB. ;-)
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You mean like playing coyboys and indians or something? Sheesh making games out of pretending you are killing people probably predates history.
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the same as saying he thinks violent video can't be good..
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Apart from all that, though I just don't think the statement that pretending you are killing someone can't be good is correct.
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Next up you assholes will try to ban the music I play for fun.
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I've always known killing is wrong for long as I can remember. Why? Because my parents took the time to sit me down and tell me that it is and why.
I grew up in the 90's and yes I had all the bloody games I could get my hands on. Realistic no but still it's what they represented that I knew was fantasy and not reality.
The thing is bad shit is going to happen through out history no matter what we do. There will be serial killers,rapist,psychopaths,terrorist, and whatever else. There are kids being abused right now and they may or may not turn into bad parents themselves someday. It's sad that this happens but it's just the way it is.
I suspect in time as we progress more into this technological rich era we're moving towards more and more we will be able to stop a lot of these defects in our brains before birth. Right now they're far too complex for us to fully understand but we're working on it.
If anything is to blame it's human error and flaws in our very design. This is a fact that is very measurable and can be seen most easily in someone that suffers brain damage. Lost memory,new habits,new moods,and pretty much a completely different person than before.
Putting the blame on video games is just a scape goat for those that are too lazy or greedy to invest their time and money in researching the real issues. It's far more easy to say hey this guy played such and such game and now hes a killer than very costly and time consuming neurological research.
I for one will never look at the easy way our because if we all give up that easy we'll never evolve into the far superior humans that will exist in the future. Free from disease, war, violence, poverty, hunger, hate, jealousy, greed, evil, and whatever else I missed.
I will most likely never see it in my lifetime but I can hope for a better future.
To me a game is a game and nothing more and honestly the news glorifies murder so much people know they can be famous because of it. That is a serious fucking problem if you ask me. If you kill someone you should be forgotten forever not remembered for far more years than any person will live.
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I cite my dear autistic brother who loves whooping my ass at Mortal Kombat II each Christmas when we break out the SNES. Seriously the sweetest person you would ever meet.
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If you pull too many things out of your arse you'll have hemorrhoids ootb!
There has been plenty of slaughter in gaming history. Except that now the graphics can actually follow the bloodbath.
In any case, you've added yet another bad trait to the long list that is associated with you: fanatic moralism. Keep building, meybe we will conside you the worst example of a human being at some point ;)
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How many Mormons go on rampages and kill anything that is moving?
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On a serious note, I do wonder if he (the original post) is trying to equate following a religion (regardless of how odd the world in general feels about it) to having better or more entrenched morals, which result in at least a bit less homicidal rampages than otherwise.
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Not really fair though, there aren't enough mormons.. If everyone was a mormon, the serial killers would be too.
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Cults generally create violent people, but Mormons seem to be an exception to that rule.
People just need to look at those groups and try to recognize what is that they are doing that inhibit the aggressive part in us all and focus that elsewhere, because something they must be doing it right and we wrong and I very much would like to find it and see it applied so maybe we don't have to live in these interesting times any longer than we have to.
Curiosity:
"May you live in interesting times"
"May the powerful note you"
"May your wishes be granted"
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Thats a pretty big leap. These groups have their own set of "issues" that you might not want to trade for. Japan has a plague of suicide and many Mormons (and offshoots especially) have serious problems of their own.
I think we have our share of mass murderers in Canada.. We do have far less population.. Although it's hard to say anything bad about Canada, of course we are awesome hehe
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Understanding how things work is the first step to design better systems.
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The problem could be on patents, but not entirely so. The big question I have is how many people have taken the ESRB seriously as of late when the comparable rating system made by the MPAA keeps changing its own standards as to what determines an R rating??
Too much jacking around on standards may descebsitize children a lot quicker if some of the ratings are changed on an annual basis. It's up to parents to do heavy research into a game or movie before you let them watch it or play it.
Now, were violent video games the cause of a lunatic's rampage? Not likely. Because the media outside of Techdirt and a few other opinion pieces in blogs, I cannot get an analysis on the Newton shooter done properly as major media sources already have gotten his problem "correct"...They've blamed autism as his cause because, well, I guess the world needs a scapegoat...There is no better scapegoat in the eyes congress as violent videogames.
Just a bit of a jarring bit of analogy:
Congress is to violent video games as CNN and FoxNews Network are to autism.
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Cults generally create violent people, but Mormons seem to be an exception to that rule.
People just need to look at those groups and try to recognize what is that they are doing that inhibit the aggressive part in us all and focus that elsewhere, because something they must be doing it right and we wrong and I very much would like to find it and see it applied so maybe we don't have to live in these interesting times any longer than we have to.
There is a mechanism at work, there is a pattern we just need to look for it now.
Curiosity:
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"May the powerful note you"
"May your wishes be granted"
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mountain_Meadows_massacre
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Is this sarcasm or are you seriously that ignorant?
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How many Mormons go on rampages and kill anything that is moving?"
If by "kill" you mean "marry" and by "anything" you mean "any teenage girl," the answer is "some."
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No evidence?
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But it's totally cool that they can have knives - right?
What about scissors? Are they allowed to run with them?
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Remember 2 might be required one day to keep the government from screwing you over on 1,4, and 5.
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You can hurt each other with what they allow you, but certainly not the millitary.
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So wudja think of that totally awesome remake of Red Dawn?
Did the ushers catch ya fapping, or were ya smart enough to wait 'til after and wank in the theater washroom?
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I must have missed the part of this article that says to ban guns, and bashes the NRA. Maybe you could quote it for us.
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Idiot confirmed, please ignore.
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Peanut Butter
Peanut butter is dangerous to people with pre-existing mental problems? :)
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Exactly what I was wondering...
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Hmm, here's a chart that shows another possible variable:
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Clearly, proximity to Washington D.C. correlates strongly with gun-related murders.
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It would be interesting to see a similar chart that compares to consumption of violent to nonviolent entertainment.
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Where do you want to start? Book burnings of the Nazi era? Middle ages book burnings over hearsay? How about comic books? Or the campaign to remove unapproved books out of school and public libraries because they don't meet some imagined standard. Sex mentions because it might give the kids ideas? (most of the time because they didn't get the birds and bees talk at home, they learned it on the bathroom walls and pages of Playboy and Penthouse.) Violent movie themes? Now how about video games?
Exactly where in all this do they address the lack of psychological help in the forum of public access for those that don't have the money? Or the good lawyer Jack Thomson that eventually got disbarred over the constant drum of bad video games that cost the state of Florida millions of dollars to defend (and lose) bad laws trying to control something that never was the problem to begin with.
Let me mention, I play the very games that are supposed to be the trigger on this. I have no desire to go shoot someone in real life. I've no axe to grind that makes me feel this is the sole and only solution. In fact, after playing I find my aggression level is lower. I just worked it out shooting up the bad guys.
If someone can not tell the real difference between a video game with a reset and real life, they got more problems that removing the ability to play a game will cure. Justification can be found in the mind for whatever you truly desire, no matter how warped. Take away guns, how hard is it to buy a knife or even make one if one can't be bought?
In the graphic, they fail to make a few points. One is that other than China most of the countries in the graphic don't have the population base the US has. It's an uneven presentation of facts.
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Many reasons why video game sales are so comparatively high in the US to the countries on that list. Three of which are known for extremely violent and/or corrupt mafias...Japan with the Yakuza's, China with the Triads, and the South Korean with allowing bribery in it's own government.
The mafia don't play video games to learn violence through them. The do it with training and teaching it to each next generation.
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I await the study ...
Here's another proposed study: Explore the link between gun violence and owning guns.
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Oh man, I remember one where they unplugged the gamer's machine randomly while they were playing. rofl
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That could definitely lead to rage issues.
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Now with that said, there is also some responsibility that goes along with that. You wouldn't let your 10yr old child play these games because his mind is still mending, and watching a character (himself) shooting other characters, stealing cars, and other provocative things molds his mind to think it's more normal than it is. Now once you've his 15-18, you tend to know what to and what not to do. But this is why there are rating systems. That is to say, kids at 11 and 12yrs of age shouldn't be exposed to these games. Ultimately it comes down to the parents keeping an eye on their kids. They can't too easiy buy these violent games, it takes the help of their parent or other adult-type figure.
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