UK Pirate Party Pressured Into Taking Down Proxy... Leading To Other Proxies Opening Up
from the if-you-need-to-whac-a-mole dept
It's really quite ridiculous how much time, money and effort the various arms of the entertainment industry have spent trying to get certain countries to "block" The Pirate Bay. Every single time it happens, it seems to drive up traffic to the site. Those who want to use it don't suddenly decide "gee, now I'm going to start buying what I formerly pirated." They just think "where's a proxy to get to the site" and they find one easily enough because they're everywhere. The industry then goes on a wild goose chase seeking to take them all down which is impossible. So they get a few morale-boosting wins... and everyone still gets to go to The Pirate Bay. Couldn't that time be spent more effectively?The latest is that, over in the UK, where BPI (the UK equivalent of the RIAA) was threatening to sue the leaders of the UK Pirate Party personally for setting up a proxy, the Party eventually shut it down knowing that the costs of fighting such a legal battle would be extreme and damaging.
But, of course, it's unlikely that actually stopped anyone from reaching TPB, which is available through a variety of other means. In fact, soon after the UK Pirate Party took down its proxy, the Pirate Parties in some other countries put up their own proxies (and, of course, there are tons of general proxies out there). BPI can try to go after these political parties in other countries, or it can demand that ISPs block those proxies also, but more and more will just keep popping up. And none of that will convince a single person to buy something they weren't planning to buy in the first place. It just makes you wonder what they think they're accomplishing.
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Of course, in the grand scheme of things it is fairly pointless, and I wonder how much the BPI spent on lawyers - particularly given all their money would otherwise be going to artists etc., and we're the ones supposedly stealing millions from artists...
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Firstly, it is a completely pointless action because there are so many other proxies and ways to circumvent the block available.
Secondly, the fact that a political party (even a minor one) can be bullied and censored in this way by an unelected and unaccountable organisation is a serious worry for anyone who values Democracy and freedom of speech. It shows us all just what a sham western democracy really is.
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I say let them keep screwing the people. At some point it'll backlash to the point the MAFIAA will be extinct.
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http://jntlesnev5o7zysa.onion/
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OKAY, at last you admit that "pirates are gonna pirate".
Anyhoo, with that admission you acknowledge that knowing infringement is going on and that "pirates" -- YOUR TERM for someone who's knowingly "pirated" -- are NEVER going to pay for content. That's same as justifying all efforts against piracy. The one thing that's solid about all of copyright is that those who created the content by paying for it have sole right to control its distribution; it wouldn't exist without them. No one has an intrinsic right to access it without helping pay for it.
2nd anyhoo: once the blocking is in place, it becomes just a matter of adding IP/host name to the database, can be rolled out automatically, and will be, so the end of proxies is in sight. VPNs can be shut down by following to last known exit. Deep-packet inspections will easily shut down those who UPload beyond a certain ratio. -- In short, obvious measures WILL work well enough, so you pirates can expect your plundering on the net to end soon.
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The fact that censorship and DPI seems to be perfectly ok to you scares the shit out of me.
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Lets just hope that it is not a tele-surgery in progress and the surgeon didn't just got disconnected when trying to reattach someones testicles.
Or God forbid law enforcement trying to exchange intelligence on crime issues.
Or researches trying to upload huge datasets for others to take a peek and help with the research.
Or somebody working from home and telecommuting.
Or and this may be the worse case scenario, a gamer gets fragged because he was disconnected.
Never mind the huge volume of data that is encrypted in financial institutions and the billions of micro transactions that happen every hour, that actually I wouldn't mind that much, even though I know it would be bad very bad.
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Activists in countries like Iran and Syria use them to communicate with the outside world and get their message out.
You seem keen to demonise technology but please bear in mind that ALL technology is neutral
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Re: OKAY, at last you admit that "pirates are gonna pirate".
The good old days of the music industry weren't that good. The brick-and-mortar record store was plagued by shoplifters, mix tape makers, DJ's, and those rat bastards who buy CD's, copy them, and then return them.
No matter what industry we're talking about, there will always be people who take things for free when they should be paying for them. All the bitching in the world will never change that, but there are lots and lots of ways to address the problem that will dramatically reduce it. Techdirt happens to be a rich source of such wisdom. The "New to Techdirt" section on the front page says it all. Go read it with an open mind.
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Re: OKAY, at last you admit that "pirates are gonna pirate".
You find a way to stop something we find a way to bypass that. Who will win the answer is us and I'm not saying we're smarter but there are a hell of a lot more of us than you. Power in numbers my friend and we have that in spades.
I could give two shits about media piracy I'm not a movie/music fan but I'm a fan of information. You're inevitably pointless fight only fuels our goal of learning. You're fixes are our toys in our goals.
Piracy is creation and evolution towards the goal of free information for everyone.
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Re: OKAY, at last you admit that "pirates are gonna pirate".
You mean the thing that everybody's been saying here for years, and in fact underlines the basis for most of the arguments here (there's no way to stop piracy, so change business models to encourage purchases that don't suffer from its existence)? Yes, glad you could finally catch up. Maybe if you focussed on reading the articles rather than launching impotent attacks against strawman fantasies, you'd have know this for years too.
"Anyhoo, with that admission you acknowledge that knowing infringement is going on and that "pirates" -- YOUR TERM for someone who's knowingly "pirated" -- are NEVER going to pay for content."
Exactly, so they represent exactly $0 of lost revenue. Why do you insist on wasting so much time, money and effort on them rather than on increasing purchases from those who will pay?
"2nd anyhoo: once the blocking is in place, it becomes just a matter of adding IP/host name to the database, can be rolled out automatically, and will be, so the end of proxies is in sight. VPNs can be shut down by following to last known exit"
So, you have no idea how much legitimate business - much of it worth far more than the industry you bow to - uses these services? How much of the US economy you would destroy by shutting down these services? What a surprise, moron troll is technically clueless as well as a general asshole...
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Baidu gave me 8 thousand entries for the search "pirate bay proxy"
Let me help the BPI, here is a list of pirate-bay-proxies.
http://www.piratebayproxylist.com/
Good luck hunting all them down LoL
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http://yacy.net/en/
2 Open source search engines based on P2P technology.
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Ob
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Too long
"Well... Duh!"
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