Why, Yes, Of Course The NSA Spying Involves More Companies Than Already Listed
from the them-too?-the-club-is-getting-bigger dept
This shouldn't be a surprise to anyone, but the NSA's spying on Verizon call logs were not, of course, limited to just Verizon. The WSJ has confirmed that AT&T and Sprint are both under similar orders. That article also says that a number of internet firms and credit card companies are participating as well.And, of course, as the story gets bigger and bigger, we're now getting quotes from ex-government officials saying that even they are surprised at how comprehensive the surveillance appears to be.
“It looks from what I’ve seen to be larger than anything I thought we were doing,” says Paul Rosenzweig, author of a recent book, Cyber Warfare.I heard the same basic thing from another ex-government official, who didn't want to be named, who had some knowledge of these kinds of programs back at the beginning in the 2008/2009 timeframe -- saying that if what's being said is true, the program has greatly expanded from where it originated.
Rosenzweig should know. As a former acting assistant secretary at the Department of Homeland Security, he was one of those people given the kind of Top Secret / Sensitive Compartmented Information clearances needed to work on any project as sensitive as this. But, he says, “I wasn’t read in on this.”
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Get in now before the traffic slows it drastically.
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Surveilance
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X-Box One Bundled with PRISM
https://www.eff.org/nsa-spying/timeline
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Then they started to dismantle the decentralized Skype infrastructure: where Skype used to make use of excess computer and internet capacity of power users, they moved to a centralized solutions, where Microsoft needed to buy loads of computer power, bandwidth capacity, plus creating a kind of bottleneck...
With all these NSA things going on, what Microsoft is doing all of a sudden starts making far more sense... They are on purposely routing all of the previously uncontrollable Skype communication through U.S. servers.
The question remains is: did Microsoft get the 1 billion to buy Skype, or are they getting some other kind of favors for it in return?
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Response to: Manok on Jun 7th, 2013 @ 3:49am
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What about XBox One?
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And so I think: ‘Is this how it starts?’
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It started with the Patriot Act
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It is inevitable.
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Want proof of that? Okay. Look at how they keep EA in business, despite the fact that it shits on its best customers as often as it possibly can. Any sane demographic would have long ago stopped trying to give EA money, and they would have ceased to exist.
But not gamers. No, gamers are happy to line up for more of the same, to pay even more for it.
So even if it turns out that the Xbox One provides a full feed of everything directly to the NSA, gamers will still buy it. They're just not smart enough to know any better.
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Anonymous have responded
They have leaked some secret documents from the NSA.
Talk about inevitable,
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Wonderful.
"People are willing to give up some civil liberties to prevent terrorism."
To quote James Bond in Goldeneye talking about the former USSR (and it's new leadership):
"Governments change. The lies stay the same."
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So, what's the answer?
Seems like everyone is complaining, but not a single article discusses how to address the problem.
At the expense of seeming like I am wearing a tin-foil bonnet, it seems pretty clear that our congress has been blackmailed into going along with all this. Their communications aren't exempt, and I bet the NSA has mined enough informatiion about their dealings to keep them in line.
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Re: So, what's the answer?
1) Do not use the cloud, not even to store encrypted or unimportant information.
2) Do not use the services provided by Google, Amazon, Apple, etc.
3) Do not use email systems where the emails are stored on computers you don't own and control.
4) Encrypt everything. Use a VPN (your own, not a VPN service) over TOR.
...and so forth. You get the idea. In the end, you'll have to decide how much inconvenience you're willing to take on to retain your privacy.
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I've come up with a way to create distributed anonymous identities. I call it http://eccentric-authentication.org/
I hope it inspires a crypto-renaissance.
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Bigger than Google is a commercial front for NSA?
"This shouldn't be a surprise to anyone," -- Geez, you and minions use that OFTEN! You should really notice that, too. It's just lousy writing and loses the reader's interest right off.
Take a loopy tour of Techdirt.com! You always end up same place!
http://techdirt.com/
Where Mike fights CISPA without mentioning major data sources Google and Facebook.
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Show me Google is being coerced. You can't, of course.
Do you know about In-Q-Tel, the CIA's investment branch? It funded Google's start-up: those server farms didn't just pop out of nowhere. Do you know that Eric Schmidt is in Watford England at the Bilderberg conference? This "leak" is just a planned announcement of what's already happening, while the globalists move on to the next stage.
So you're basically trying to cut the one person here's who TODAY, with this and other articles, confirmed to have been right all along, while Mike has been CLUELESS, or pretends to be.
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What I keep suggesting is that pointing a finger at government alone will just encourage government to privatize all of this and allow the corporations to do this unfettered. That's what I suspect is going on when there's a discussion about government surveillance without an accompanying discussion about private surveillance.
If the government removes its hands from this, and then allows private companies to handle all of what falls under "national security" or even "security" of any type, there is less monitoring, accountability, and political talk about who does what.
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NSA what a bunch of lying Asshats
Asked if the Utah Data Center would hold the data of American citizens, Alexander said, "No...we don't hold data on U.S. citizens," adding that the NSA staff "take protecting your civil liberties and privacy as the most important thing that they do, and securing this nation."
*** Sorry but my Bullshit-O-Meter just exploded...
The news report above is from:
http://www.foxnews.com/tech/2013/04/12/nsa-data-center-front-and-center-in-debate-over-libert y-security-and-privacy/
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