Hollywood Studios Keep Saying Its Employees Must Get Paid, And Now May Be Forced To Pay Its Interns
from the live-up-to-your-promises dept
Last fall, we noted the absolute hypocrisy of the major Hollywood studios, who repeatedly argue that they're fighting for copyright to make sure "the little guy" on the movie set gets paid. However, as we pointed out, it appeared that they were violating labor laws by not paying their interns. Lots of companies do unpaid internships, and they're almost always illegal. There are some very specific rules you need to follow to have an internship be legal if it's unpaid. Most internships, by law, are supposed to be paid -- but it appears the Hollywood studios didn't bother to follow the rules. They just wanted the free labor.And, now they may have to pay, as an early ruling in the case has gone against Fox Entertainment Group and its Searchlight Pictures subsidiary, meaning a class action lawsuit for all its unpaid interns can move forward. Fox, cheap as always, tried to claim that it wasn't the employer, but rather the fake company it sets up for each movie was the real employer. If you're familiar with Hollywood accounting, you know that each movie is set up as its own "company" whose sole purpose is to lose money. That is, the studio -- which owns the company -- "charges" the company tons of fees for basically nothing, and then the "movie" can be seen as losing money, even as the studio makes a ton, and then the movie never has to pay out residual checks to the silly people who agreed to get a cut of the net. There's almost never a net.
Of course, since this is effectively a sham company, the judge quickly saw through that claim, and properly noted that Fox is the real employer. Now, as I've said before, I think laws against unpaid internships are kind of silly -- and if people can willingly come to an agreement where an unpaid internship makes sense, it should be allowed. But, it does seem ridiculously hypocritical for Hollywood to parade up and down the streets of DC insisting that its main focus is to make sure all the people who work on its movies get paid, including releasing propaganda commercials highlighting non-acting movie staff, and then go out of its way to not pay people doing work on films. If Hollywood wants to say that it's trying to get people who work on its films paid, it might want to start by not trying to screw many of them out of salaries. But that's what it's going to do. Fox has announced plans to appeal the decision. Remember that next time the MPAA is on Capitol Hill talking about all the "jobs" it creates.
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Don't bother to answer, I already know. Your futile attempts to censor one of your detractors by blocking his IP address has already revealed what a hypocritical douchebag you are. Honestly Masnick, the only thing you're missing is the bulb nose and slap shoes.
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Yeah you didn't read the article before spewing your bullshit. 3/10 try again
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Who can afford to work for free? The kids of rich people. Let's give them more advantages!
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You have all the hallmarks of a king among idiots - childish name-calling from the start, impotent personal attacks, a deliberate misunderstanding of both the point of the article and the reality surrounding it, an attempt to deflect from the very real and documented misdeeds of a major corporation in order to address an imaginary strawman and whining about "censorship" that doesn't exist.
If you could insert a moronic Google conspiracy theory, a complete misunderstanding of a technology and a few libellous accusations against people who have nothing to do with the article, you'll have encapsulated every type of idiocy you people spout in one post and you can claim your crown.
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Re: Re: @"PaulT", compulsive yapper.
Fanboys continue to drift away from Techdirt because there's nothing here one hasn't already read on other sites, except Mike's characteristic whining.
And since Mike is clearly a huge hypocrite on this topic, thinks laws against unpaid interns are silly while HE blithely exploits the minions, the fact is that all you CAN do as loyal ankle-biter is yap your fool head off at the critics.
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PS - "compulsive yapper", do you realize how much more you embody that moniker?
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Citation needed.
"because there's nothing here one hasn't already read on other sites"
This is not a primary news source. It's a blog set up to discuss issues reported elsewhere and to attempt to generate conversation when it's not being derailed by braying morons. In other words, of course you won't read the news stories elsewhere, because breaking news is not the purpose of the site.
Are you really so stupid that you haven't even worked out the nature of the site you obsessively comment upon?
"HE blithely exploits the minions"
Nobody's being exploited, unlike Fox's staff. If you're so upset by people not being paid, why are you here so gleefully providing content for free?
(btw, citation required for the fact that they're not getting paid, not to mention any exploitation or deception on TD's part. I suspect none of these exist anywhere except whatever orifice you usually pull your arguments from)
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I'd also like to clarify whether he's saying those of us that write for the site are unpaid, or if he's referring to comments....
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If not, he's actually suggesting that people who write comments on stories should be paid, which is not only rather stupid but has interesting implications for a lot of corporate sites he presumably supports.
Unless, of course, it's a Freudian slip and he's admitting that he is a paid shill, after all? In which case, as ever, I suggest his employers get saner employees since not a damn word he types is getting people to support his "points" and the lack of real counterpoints only makes the articles here look better.
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Well, then he isn't just an idiot, he's absolutely factually incorrect as well....
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That said, isn't the amount irrelevant to the discussion? The question was paid vs. unpaid, not an argument over the balance sheet...
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Translation: I raised a point questioning paid vs. non-paid writers for this site, with the implication that they are all non-paid thus proving Mansick is a hypocrite in my world, and then when *multiple* of those same writers step up and verify they are, in fact, paid something, I hand-wave it away with a snide remark about "knowing better" than the actual people involved and move the goalposts of the argument to "oh yeah, how MUCH do you get paid?" and focus on that, pretending as if that was what I actually said from the start. Also, I criticize THIS site for the topics it covers, taking them to task for not covering "important" (as I define it) ideas and areas, but of course, I only do that HERE, and not, say, ANY OTHER FUCKING SITE ON THE INTERNET THAT COVERS WHATEVER TOPICS THEY COVER TOO. Needless to say, I am a completely useless lying fucktard shill who has no life and contributes nothing to anything and exist only to whine and cry and attack people who actually are successful with their lives. Since I am a failure, I have to punish everyone else for my lack of talent and ability.
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Multiple? No just one. And if he gets paid $1 per article or a similar pittance, that is no different than unpaid IMHO.
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It's multiple.
"And if he gets paid $1 per article or a similar pittance, that is no different than unpaid IMHO."
The amount is far more substantial than that by an order of magnitude. Your point is invalid.
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"Multiple? No just one."
Yes, multiple. I'd suggest you try reading the actual comments, but we already know you dont bother with basic reading or facts.
"And if he gets paid $1 per article or a similar pittance, that is no different than unpaid IMHO."
Then don't open your fucking piehole to critisize and attack those who are actually DOING what you are incapable of. You objected, were proved wrong, and now you are trying to rewrite your claims. Tough shit.
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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: @"PaulT", compulsive yapper.
An honest person with a real argument would either admit they were mistaken and either concede the argument or argue why it doesn't matter. They would present facts to the contrary (if the other people responding were lying or mistaken) or explain why your point still stands. Instead, you double down on the idiocy, trying again to deflect from proven points while attempting to pretend that you weren't actually proven wrong. You present opinion, clearly not based on any real factual data. But, the evidence is there for all to see that you are wrong.
Plus, you know what the best thing about all this is? Even if you had been 100% correct about your assertions about Mike and this site, that wouldn't change the actions of Fox. You have neither attempted to defend nor justify Fox's actions, only to try to push attention elsewhere. Had Techdirt been shown as equally bad, Fox would still have been in the wrong here. Even if you had achieved a score on Techdirt, the fact remains that one of the major corporations whose every move you support are the bad guys.
This is why your arguments fail. Not only are you unable to respond to any criticisms of the corporations you endlessly worship with anything resembling truth, you can't even attack others properly in your defence. Try relying on facts, evidence and reasoned opinions next time, if you're capable of such things.
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"Sorry, it's hard to ignore the hypocrisy dripping from Masnick. "
It's easy when you're only pulling the hypocrisy out of your own ass.
"He's making money on others work and not paying (or paying a pittance)."
CITATION NEEDED! You've already been told that your assumption about them working for free is a lie. You've already been told that your assumption that it's $1 is a lie.
Cite your evidence, or admit that you're an obsessive liar who's happy to let major corporations exploit their worker so long as you feel you've got some points scored against a random blogger. If you have no evidence, you are a proven liar, period.
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Look, let's make this really simple. First, you keep saying no payment is made. This is 100% false. As to the pittance argument, establish some goal posts. Let's say a writer here is contracted to post somewhere between 5-10 articles a week. What would be a fair monthly compensation for that?
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So, you think that writers here should make more than twice the average income in the US? You aren't even on the same continent as reasonableness.
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So, you think that writers here should make more than twice the average income in the US? You aren't even on the same continent as reasonableness
Unlike you, I don't simply talk out of my ass. From the Bureau of Labor Statistics:
2010 Median Pay $55,420 per year
$26.64 per hour
Entry-Level Education Bachelor’s degree
Work Experience in a Related Occupation None
On-the-job Training Long-term on-the-job training
Number of Jobs, 2010 145,900
Job Outlook, 2010-20 6% (Slower than average)
Employment Change, 2010-20 9,500
What Writers and Authors Do
Writers and authors develop original written content for advertisements, books, magazines, movie and television scripts, songs, and online publications.
Work Environment
Writers and authors work in an office, at home, or wherever else they have access to a computer. Most writers and authors work full time. However, self-employed and freelance writers usually work part time or have variable schedules.
How to Become a Writer or Author
A college degree is generally required for a salaried position as a writer or an author. Proficiency with computers and communications equipment also is necessary to stay in touch with sources, editors, and other writers while working on assignments. Excellent writing skills are essential.
Pay
The median annual wage of writers and authors was $55,420 in May 2010.
Job Outlook
Employment of writers and authors is projected to grow 6 percent from 2010 to 2020, slower than the average for all occupations. Strong competition is expected for salaried writing jobs because many people are attracted to this occupation.
Similar Occupations
Compare the job duties, education, job growth, and pay of writers and authors with similar occupations.
Note that the BLS does NOT factor in things like the cost of fringe benefits and payroll taxes into their computation, which I did. Therefore, I somewhat understated the numbers. Granted, this is somewhat skewed by high earning authors and writers, but so is most every other job category. I'm sure in this category, there are far more at the lower levels than the higher. In any event, I'll be interested to see if I get an honest reply from the TD staff writers. But I'd be willing to bet it's more like 1/4 of the BLS average which still sucks.
http://www.bls.gov/ooh/media-and-communication/writers-and-authors.htm
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I wasn't talking off the cuff, I was using US Census figures: the median individual income in the US last census was around $44,000/year. You are using figures specific to commercial writing (which I think is a bit misleading, but that's a different discussion), I was using exactly what I said: median income.
Your expectation for an experienced writer was $76,800/yr. That's pretty close to twice the median. Even if we accept your BLS statistics, you're still inflating the value considerably.
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If you're full time, in-house employee, perhaps. I'm neither. Nor are most of the other writers here. Could we agree that for part timey work, that number should be about half?
"Then most companies contribute modestly toward health insurance, so call that $4,000."
You said you assumed I'm independent, which I am. Therefore benefits aren't included and I wouldn't need them even if they were, so I'm glad they aren't.
" Assuming the writer worked 40 hours per week to produce those articles, I'd say a minimum of $3200/moth for an inexperienced writer and double that for an experienced one."
You're not very good at math. You started at $30k/year, or $2500/month. Benefits are moot since I'm an independent contractor and we can cut your expectations in half since I'm part time, not full time. Payroll taxes are meaningless as well, since the only thing that matters is gross salary (for the purposes of payment discussions, I mean). What you arrive at is your suggestion, essentially, that a writer like me should make roughly $1250/month here.
Let me assure you, my payment meets your expectations. Glad you agree I'm compensated appropriately. Can we move on now?
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So what you are saying is that you are making about $1250/mo. for (hopefully) no more than 80 hours. That's about $15.62 an hour, with no benefits and you paying both the employer and employee share of payroll taxes. From money.cnn.com: The survey from the National Association of Colleges and Employers showed the average salary of new grads at $44,455.
So considering the saved costs of payroll taxes and benefits you cost Masnick half of the average cost a 2013 college grad. But hey, as long as you're happy...
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You're assumptions are STILL wrong and the chief error is this 80 hours a month business. It's really more like 25-35....
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As if proof were needed, he's not interested in reality. He just wants to attack imaginary Mike, rather than get into the actual discussion about Fox paying nothing. He doesn't want facts, he just wants to attack the object of his bizarre obsession, no matter what the reality is.
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Then, perhaps, stop launching impotent attacks on Mike that are clearly based on lies and false assumptions at this point, and turn attention to the company that's now going to be hit with a class action lawsuit for paying their interns nothing at all...
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grrr... can read them. Stupid distractions at work while arguing with an idiot!
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Hell, son, if I had the chops and the brains to put something together for this site, I’d do it without asking for a single damned thing in return. Why? Because I prefer to create without expecting anything in return, whether ‘anything’ means pageviews or dolla dolla bills y’all.
Also: Out of the Blue? Really? Should’ve gone with Electric Youth. At least that’d make your ‘ankle-biters’ comments a little more amusing.
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Well, for one thing, that's not true -- but, er, even if it were, how would that be hypocritical? Wouldn't it, in fact, be perfectly consistent?
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Fixed that for you.
The person in question not only added nothing of value to discussions, but continues to harangue Masnick in the misapprehension that he's owed discource. He is not.
Why should Masnick reply or debate with dishonest people such as the person you mention?
Why shouldn't he be removed if all he does is lie(he does), harass(does this too), and bring nothing to a discussion but slander and obnoxious behaviour(undeniable)?
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Nothing to see here
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How long have you been participating in online discussions? Years? Decades? ( Long enough to have found a “Do not feed troll” jpeg. Not necessarily long enough to post an ASCII art sign. )
In all your time participating in online discussions, have you been observant enough to notice that the cutesy ASCI art, and the jpegs —all the “Ignore Trolls” advice— all that just does not fucking work?
Have you observed that phenomenon? Carefully observed it? Like a scientist observes phenomena, or even just how an astute observer looks at things…
Note that I'm not making any kind normative statement, here. We might all think it should work. We might all wish for that. But “wishes are not horses” as the saying goes, and even a blind man could see that.
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The other point is that if you look at the length of the replies, you'll notice that they take up a prominent part of the comment section, and it's annoying to have to browse through all the pointless trollbashing to find good comments.
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Well, you're making a “normative” assertion there.
Wikipedia: Normative
In contrast, when I say “just does not fucking work”, I'm describing my observations. Now, place that in context: I was referring specifically to ASCII art, jpegs, and “Do not feed troll” advice. All of which may be well-intentioned, but no matter how well-intended, just does not fucking work.
When you're claiming “should” and “ought”, you're speaking along a different axis than my claim of “is”.
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I.e. your "is" is irrelevant to my proposed action for the reasons I then stated.
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If you were to follow your own advice, you shouldn't have posted, or at least should have been as succinct as Anonymous Howard.
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Ooo look. Tecdirt is kerned, so ASCII art doesn't work. So I think Howard wins, 1-0 ;) (Ok, I know he could have posted a link)
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<tt>monospaced type</tt>
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Anyway, the point is raise awareness of non-productive troll bashing. If it deter 2 people, then we gained a net 1 comment space. Of course you can't measure non-commenters, because it's a schrodinger's forum.
Instead, we're now arguing if it is necessary or not, effectively doing the troll a favor. Thank you!
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AJ, we all can tell this is you. I'd ask you to stop resorting to sock puppetry, but I know you won't.
It does show how hypocritical you are every time you falsely accuse Mike of using sock puppets. Like every accusation you level against Techdirt, they're all based on your behavior.
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Everybody’s got a price.
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Re: relying on donations
If it were illegal to "make donations," politicians would be forced to yield to the will of their constituents, those people who voted to give these morally-corrupt politicians the opportunity to serve their voters. . . and not themselves.
I've always thought, maybe naievly, that to minimize, if not altogether eliminate the influence of the deep-pocketed corporations on our politicians, we need term limits. Let no person serve in a political position for more than two years, and mandate that no person accept graft, or donations, if you will. Too many people get into a position of power where greed eventually comes knocking on their door - and they can't say no, because everyone else is doing it. Repeal this enormous farce that a corporation can be treated as a person - seriously, this is just too stupid to be even considered, let alone made into law. OK, rant over; my brain is too full of wtf.
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"laws against unpaid internships are kind of silly"
But of course you're not a laborer, you're a grifter. Your anti-labor stance is solid.
You think it's fine that someone at hollywoodreporter.com labors for YOUR benefit in writing the story so that you can grab the content and get money off it.
And you think it's fine your witling minions labor so that you can get money off their re-writing too.
In short, you're in the 1% privileged class who've never had to compete, and don't understand why laws are put in place to prevent The Rich from giving people "opportunity" which is sheerly to exploit their labor.
But of course you're a hypocrite to believe "laws against unpaid internships are kind of silly", and then wish for that to be enforced selectively against those you deem enemies, but not against you who have writers working for nothing. That's just SHEER hypocrisy.
Take a loopy tour of Techdirt.com! You always end up same place!
http://techdirt.com/
All the news you saw last week on other sites, re-written to cherry pick points that fit Mike's agenda.
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You know what's really sad? The completely idiotic angles you and the ACs are spewing are both so deluded and so similar, I am wondering if you're all the same person. It would be truly sad to think that while I've been mocking a handful of idiots, I've actually just been attacking a single person with severe mental issues.
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Yeah, there's a basic flaw in that MY content IS interesting or at least provocative and so I somewhat aid Mike. I try to be boring and always get in a dig to offset it.
YOU, however, with your incessant knee-jerk empty yapping at critics, actually only detract from the site! Funny world, ain't it?
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That doesn't validate the quality of your comments, however.
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Fantastic, now we've got all that cleared up.
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But they may be in the same office or employer.
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I kind of doubt it, not least because out_of_the_blue seems utterly unemployable.
No, I believe that they're the copyright equivalent of Rush Limbaugh "dittoheads." Someone comes up with an idiotic talking point, and they all repeat it.
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Of course, in Average Joe's case, that "someone" would be a See 'N Say.
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Oh, you mean like: "SOPA will break the internet"? Or "SOPA will put Justin Bieber in jail"? Something like that?
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What you are really doing is the old "When you beat your wife trick". "Why didn't you pay your writers Mike? Why didn't you pay them enough?"
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BTW a loopy tour of your excrescence, I mean, blog, reveals that you're always paranoid and raving about Google and the govt. as if they are one and the same while railing against the very spying that the pro-maximalists you claim to support are promoting.
Only a personality as fractured as yours can contract itself so blatantly and so often.
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You're the sort of person that would blame the kid punched by the bully for hitting the bully's fist with his eyeball.
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Or you found out your "idea" wasnt worth what you thought it was in the free market and think its due to the mythical 1% that know your idea would "hurt them"
I have noticed a tendency for all those that rail against the 1% (and like to sit and talk but not take any action, or wait for others to do the hard work on trying to change) are always some combination of the 2 and will not look back at their ownselves to find the fundimental flaw in their private failure.
I suggest some self reflection is in order.
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Hey Mike, you gonna let the rest of us in on the secret to creating a wildly popular blog with thousands of daily pageviews - all without expending any labor whatsoever and a complete lack of any competition? That sounds like one awesome opportunity to me. My Powerball Retirement Fund hasn't given me the returns I expected.
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After all, copyright trolling only buys so many shovels to throw around the bullshit...
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But no, the glorious empire extends its favor even further by not demanding that they pay for the opportunity.
And yet still they continue to give as they also do not also sue those very people.
Does their grace know no bounds? No, it does not.
Hail the Hollywood Empire. Hail!
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Mike's unpaid minions are unpaid. Mike is a hypocrite.
Mike was born into the privileged 1%, is an Ivy League educated klepto-economist, and consistently anti-labor, so of course he thinks "laws against unpaid internships are kind of silly". He's a hypocrite because has unpaid minions to re-write stories here.
Like all his opinions, Mike never comes out and directly says, you have to ferret it out over time. So if new here, this is not the anti-plutocrat site you're looking for, Mike is as always only using this story to attack copyright indirectly.
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You are pathetic. You can't refute the arguments so, instead, you turn to personal attacks, ad hominems, and trying to kill the messenger to stop the message. Yeah, your content is compelling as eating raw tripe with live insects.
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The arguments are not only nonsensical and based on random assumptions, they're not even new.
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You have to admire his fidelity to the principles of not paying creators for content. Yet he> seems to make money on it. Lessee.... who else does that remind me of????
Ironic how Masnick decries those financially exploiting content creators as he cashes check after check from ad revenue generated by content he didn't pay the creator for.
You're more like the studios than you realize. Ol Massa Mike, lording over the Techdirt Plantation.
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I asked this the other day and got no response:
Is there any proof of this connection between this Cathy person and OOTB or is it just someone's hunch?
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You're right, it's a hunch, but the identifiers and general tone are too similar to the Typepad blog "Wired State" to persuade me otherwise.
I've spent time with this individual on other sites trying to debate her. It was a waste of time in the end so when I reply to her here it's to give her the online equivalent of a slap upside the head.
The talking points are the same. The Google hatred is the same, the words and phrases are the same, and the issues she raises are the same. If it walks like a duck...
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Not positive, but pretty sure it's not a duck in this case. There are some significant differences in tone and style. OOTB seems to admit that he's playing it for a joke to get a rise out of people. The other one? Not so much.
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"You know, I like you OOTB. I know that others don't but I really do. I know that no matter how many times a day I stick a drill bit up my nose in a day, I can come here, read your comments, and realize that there's somebody stupider than me. For that, OOTB, I thank you."
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WONDERFUL!!!
What's the next headline, fucktard?
"Mike's paid minions are paid."
You always have so much value to add. Thanks for the entertainment. Usually, you'd have to find a bus full of retards for stuff this brilliant.
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Non-issue
I think this is a non-issue. Unpaid internships are pretty common in many industries. Other industries offer only a token payment or some other form of recompense - such as working in an exotic location or other non-tangible benefits.
Remember, many interns have no job experience, and may not even have any real training in the field. They may also being doing an internship as part of their degree in school. I did it, and I think many people in mba have done so as well.
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One of the things that bugs me about the court case is the fact that the unpaid interns "displaced regular employees and received no benefit from the internship beyond what they would have received had they been classified as employees..." and there was also no educational benefit found in what they were doing for Fox.
(http://www.mondaq.com/unitedstates/x/246016/employee+rights+labour+relations/Court+Holds+Em ployer+Unlawfully+Classified+Workers+As+Unpaid+Interns)
Working for free in a competitive environment like Hollywood is very counter-productive, especially if you walk away from an internship with only a few references and work experience.
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Your $25 contribution will feed 100 starving artists for a month
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The reality is if interns had to pay for the skills and experience they were learning out of their salaries, they'd be in the red.
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Through professional coercion. If you don't bark on command, you won't get the very references and experience that you need, practically guaranteeing that your career comes to a dead stop right there. It's amazing what kind of contracts people will "freely" enter into when the other guy has them over a barrel.
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Couldn't there be a fair contractual agreement to be used between a company and a person so that the intern remained protected?
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Hypocrites United!
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Silly Masnick. It's yet another proof the studios are dying because of all the freetards. They cannot pay everybody so they decided to pay for all those grocery store employees in their payrolls first so the world won't get so sour that soon.
Home copying is killing grocery stores!
You syncophants will be left crying in despair when all those grocery stores go out of business because of all the theft. So sayeth the oracle.
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Pay Your Damn Workers ! We also Wish we could Out all your Dirty Laundry !
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fixing the issue
That would leave comments relative to the actual article easily readable for those who want relevance without the distraction of the troll comments and the comments to them, while still leaving the troll threads readable by expanding them for those so inclined.
FTFY
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That's been suggested many time before.
I, for one, disagree. I have seen many threads that were started from some troll's stupid comment that ended up developing into deep, thoughtful and informative discussions. I don't feel the trade-off is worth losing those.
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Sometimes, I enjoy reading the troll's posts. Sometimes, I just want to hear the sane people talking.
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I could further your idea by saying shut the site down. That was not my intention John. My intention was to alleviate the heartache of dealing with trolling comments and the comments of those who feel the need to play the game as some of do not.
There are only 24 hours in any given day and filtering through trollish nonsense is not how I choose to spend my time, most days - some yes.
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Be careful what you ask for.
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