NYPD Commissioner Blasts NSA Secret Monitoring For Being Secret
from the half-right dept
In the wake of the NSA scandal leaks, there have been several examples of government officials and law enforcement coming out to state both that the program is necessary and that its existence ought never have been revealed. Those who espouse the latter often indicate that, as a result, Edward Snowden is some measure of a traitor, and in some cases so are members of the press that reported on the revelations. Not all former and current government folks are in that camp, of course, but those that are not typically argue the polar opposite: that the NSA program is either unconstitutional or unnecessary. Those are sentiments I happen to agree with, but there is a refreshingly original third course of thought.
That comes from NYPD police commissioner Ray Kelly, who has managed to blast the secret NSA program...but only for being secret.
“I don’t think it ever should have been made secret,” Kelly said yesterday, breaking ranks with other US law-enforcement officials. “I think the American public can accept the fact if you tell them that every time you pick up the phone, it’s going to be recorded and it goes to the government. I think the public can understand that. I see no reason why that program was placed in the secret category. Secondly, I think if you listen to Snowden, he indicates that there’s some sort of malfeasance, people . . . sitting around and watching the data. So I think the question is: What sort of oversight is there inside the [National Security Agency] to prevent that abuse, if it’s taking place?”Now, the easy reaction to this is to write off Kelly's opinion that the majority of Americans would be okay with data surveillance as long as we were well informed about it. After all, stop and frisk is fairly above board, and people still hate it. But the point is an important one with real implications on how democracy is supposed to work versus how it actually does work in America today.
By that I mean whether secretive programs run by the government that impact the majority or all of Americans can be undertaken without the consent of the governed. Step back a moment from Kelly's assertion that the public would be on board with the program if we had known about it all along. Isn't the better point to be taken from his statement that we should at least have been given the opportunity to find out? As a member of a representative democracy, if my fellow Americans were indeed informed and signed off on this program, I have to accept it, whatever my dissenting views. If the government was above board on the checks and balances in the program, they might have a good PR case. But that process was never given a chance to incubate. Instead, broadly worded, vague legislation birthed secretive policies, subject to secretive committees and secretive courts, and it was only by the providence of a humanitarian leaker that the public had any inkling of what was going on. That isn't how the American concept is supposed to function.
And now we'll never know whether Kelly is right or not, because the experiment that could have occurred has been foiled. Any complacency by the public now can be written off as apathy born of anger and mistrust. Any dissent is tainted by the same as a result of the secrecy of the program. The method by which the NSA spy program was both initiated, continued, and finally revealed is almost a perfect counter example to the democratic process. I fear that our founding fathers, those men of the enlightenment so often referenced by the career politicians of the day, would be calling for revolution once more.
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Why's he so scared of dissenting views? Hmm...
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Lying scumbag.
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There are some seriously odd things going on in your head. Something you should work out with a trained professional.
This isn't a flame. I'm not kidding.
Remember: the only people who are positive they are sane are the crazy ones.
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Re: Took the time to read your stuff
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Beyond the Pale
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Re: Beyond the Pale
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I kinda agree.
I think anyone should have the right to petition a court for information from the NSA database. Imagine the ramifications. You want to prove your spouse was having an affair? Get a warrant for the content of that sneaky phone call they made during your honeymoon, and use it as evidence of fault in your divorce proceedings.
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This! http://v.gd/3K4FAn
So scared of the truth! It's totally awesome!
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Local mom publishes free facelift secrets that has angered doctors!
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Quote:
http://news.yahoo.com/obama-surprise-move-wades-nypd-stop-frisk-lawsuit-220935492.html
htt p://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/bloomberg_slams_obama_support_frisk_uGFXee9nBvXZJfCcFhNy6K
http://o nline.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887323734304578542992651912484.html
Gotta love politics, Raymond there is doing the right thing for the wrong reasons(payback).
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NYPD - pretty sure they ran secret covert ops in places well outside of NY to watch brown people because brown people are terrorists.
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I agree but...
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Why is mike such a hardcore censor? I thought he hated censors??
Hmm..
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You can bet that Mike will be working extra hard to censor it.
why is he so scared of criticism? why is he working so hard to censor me??
You decide.
stay tuned!!
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Above board?
Huh? Stop and frisk is above board? Wasn't it just a big racist thing where they would find pot? Didn't it find guns at a lower rate than regular police work?
Was there a typo in that sentence?
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Pretty much, but we knew it was happening. He is referring to it as above board because it was not initiated by pulled each police officer aside and whispering in their ear "psst. we are going to have a policy of stopping and frisking anyone you want without giving a reason. don't tell anyone, just start doing it."
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I still guess I would construe "above board" to be an action that is fulfilling its purpose, which it seems stop and frisk was not.
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internment was legal and public
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where's the camera?
In the America I grew up in, this would have been a bad joke, and a Police Commissioner who said this in earnest into a live microphone would've been out of a job within days. What the hell is going on?
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I hope he is wrong
I certainly hope the American public would not be ok with this. I certainly am not.
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Kelly may be correct - cat's out of the bad
Leverage NSA Secrets for Profit & Pay Off National Debt in Months and let me know what you think.
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