Today Is July 4th; And It's Time To Restore The 4th Amendment
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Filed Under: 4th amendment, nsa surveillance, restore the 4th, search, seizure, surveillance, warrants
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Henderson police arrested a family for refusing to let officers use their homes as lookouts for a domestic violence investigation of their neighbors, the family claims in court.
https://www.courthousenews.com/2013/07/03/59061.htm
Soon there will be mandatory goose stepping thru the streets celebrating our freedoms - WoooHoooo
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Don't worry. I'm sure Mike likes to burn his American flags upside down. I suspect he has a little soap box that he stands on while screaming at the moon and waiving a copy of the Constitution. And then he has a snack. Cookies and milk.
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It's time for the reps to show that their budget cutting is not all just words and get some sanity into the budgeting process. Cutting social services during the times of economic disaster isn't the way to go. The savings are barely noticeable in national spending. Here's where a difference can really be made.
For the Dems, you have left your base support behind. What you say you support and what your actions are saying are different things. Obama won't have a third term but right now I am questioning whether either party deserves their incumbents to continue to serve.
This insanity has gone on long enough and I think we now know why Homeland security, DOJ, IRS, and Social Services have been buying all the ammunition. They've seen the day coming when this could no longer be hidden and that day has arrived. This buying of ammunition tells me no plans are made to change things but rather to fight to prevent it.
Enough with this insanity in our government.
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Is this the "small government" I keep hearing about?
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So any bets on how long it'll be before someone asks why there haven't been any new posts?
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What a lazy bum - you think you're entitled to vacation?
As we all know, only the uber 1% are allowed such privileges, (and cops who break the law). The rest of us are required to sweat and toil for our sustenance.
And those of you bitching about being paid with fee laden debit cards - better just suck it up cause there are plenty of unemployed waiting in line for your menial job. It's a shame those jobs can not be off shored like all the rest.
Damn middle class folks, they think they drive the economy with their buying - oh please ... the economy will recover just fine without their buying, just you wait and see - it won't be long now ... anytime ... soon ... it will - really !
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NSA Data Intercept
With the various "terrorist attacks" you tell us the intercepts have stopped, how in hell did you miss the attack on the economy by Wall Street?
A VERY Concerned Citizen
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http://www.prisonplanet.com/park-rules-sign-summarizes-sorry-state-of-freedom-on-indepe ndence-day.html
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4th amendment doesn't mean you can hide everything
It's more unreasonable to assume that you can hide you public activities behind the 4th. If you couldn't do it AFK, then you shouldn't be able to do it online. Adding "on the internet" doesn't suddenly make something private.
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This is a false dichotomy: the presumption that a person does something in private has got something to hide.
People are entitled to the expectation of privacy, including with regard to their communications. The government has taken it upon itself to pry into American citizens' personal activity on an unprecedented level, without probable cause.
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Not at all correct. The question isn't some assumption that they have something to hide, rather that they are doing online what would be considered "public" in any other circumstance, and suddenly expect it to be private.
Handing a note to a third party and having them give it to someone else (or a group of someone elses) doesn't make it private.
Posting on Facebook, even if you make it "private" isn't really private.
You are trying to act like I offered up an "either or" choice that does not matter. The point is only if you are going to yell across a crowded room to someone, it's public - doing the same thing online doesn't magically make it private.
The American government is doing only what technology allows. The one thing I learned from Techdirt is that if technology allows something, it must be okay. If they are not specifically violating your personal rights, they are just being EFFICIENT. Sucks when the government is taking lessons from Google.
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If you want to debate whether online activity is private, then maybe you should address that topic, as it is not cut and dried nor set in concrete. Simply waiving your hands does not make your opinion the law of the land.
I'm relatively certain that big business does not consider their emails and financial transactions to be public, what exactly is different about the same thing being performed by an individual? Seems corporations have more rights than people ... oh wait - they are people, with more rights than non corporation people.
I am not forced to use Gmail, HR Block, BOA, MC, etc ... and they do not get a free pass when it comes to privacy either. They think they can get away with it because the AG/DA are all in on it with them, this doesn't make it right and being their mouthpiece should leave a bad taste in your mouth, you getting paid?
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A reminder
John Dalberg-Acton, 1st Baron Acton
It is also sadly true that once power is given or taken, it is rarely relinquished by or removed from those who have it.
Who's going to tell the NSA to stop spying? Who is going to force them to stop?
Our laughable, contemptible Congress? Little chance of that.
Our President, who has looked the other way all this time, and indeed, increased their power?
Our Supreme Court, who, in their mighty wisdom, gave corporations the power to corrupt the government?
No, the American people have lost whatever sway they had over all of these institutions.
Sorry to say, it's going to take another revolution to stop it all, and I doubt that there are enough interested people who can be torn away from their reality shows to even think about the issue.
Happy 4th of July, everyone.
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Petitions, paper or online, will not work. They can say they won't redirect money to their bank accounts or spy on us anymore but their actions don't have to match their words.
I cannot celebrate a american holiday anymore knowing wall st, trump, romney and their partners in crime get away with large crimes while am 18 yr old goes to jail over a fake death threat towards kids.
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Censorship brought to you by Visa and Mastercard.
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There's always someone that will bite on that... go back and read it carefully at what it says. It doesn't say Obama will have a third term, it says
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Picket the White House. And the Capitol Building.
Nonstop until the NSA is disbanded and all spying programs are ended, the military size and budget cut in half, all money (both private and corporate) is removed from all political arenas, corporate personhood is revoked, major copyright reform is enacted, the illegal actions against Kim Dotcom, Bradley Manning, and Ed Snowden are ended and all charges are dropped, all those on Wall Street involved in the collapse of the economy are prosecuted and imprisoned, a serious investigation is begun into the legacy entertainment industries and their illegal financial and legal practices is begun and those responsible are tried and imprisoned, DC's entire two-faced nature is exposed and admitted to publicly on air, the revolving door between politicians and corporations is closed for all time, and other issues we deal with here are seriously addressed.
When I say picket, I mean as in tens of thousands—perhaps even hundreds of thousands—of people surrounding both buildings in peaceful, nonviolent protest but refusing to leave until all the above conditions are met. People within the crowd would come and go as their time and schedules permit, but the crowd itself would remain in place at all times, ever-changing but ever-present. If the crowd is sizable enough, it could perhaps deny access to and from the buildings to anyone and everyone, forcing the issues to be addressed more quickly.
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It is the simpler and most effective solution. Disband it and start over recognizing what went wrong, use proper oversight and determine what the rules are this time before you do it. Take your licks and accept the horrific waste of cash invested in the failed NSA as a learning experience; an expensive education. This time, do it right.
Just cutting off its heads (Alexander and Clapper) won't change much. An org that size will have built up a lot of inertia that needs to be overcome.
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Occupy Wall Street was the same idea with less people. They were protesting and non-violent. What happened? The cops created their own violence as an excuse to go in with force.
The FBI called them terrorists and put them in the databank to find out what they were doing, where they came from, and everyone with a cell phone was tracked. Houston had plans drawn up to place snipers with silencers to 'take out the leaders'.
https://www.truthdig.com/eartotheground/item/redacted_fbi_document_shows_plot_to_kill_o ccupy_leaders_20130629/
These people will not be taking no for an answer unless you hammer on the politicians in every state.
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A democratically elected government decides to ignore the people, to take away their rights, to take upon itself secret powers.
The people know, and they protest.
In Egypt, the military supported the people, and stepped in to stop it.
In the US, the military ...............
Alright, yes, I have taken it too far..... but hell, I should't have even been able to get here.
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Oakland just lost a court case over the injuries that were done by the cops in court. 12 that brought the case will share something like $1 million dollar award from the court.
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Your last post [Today Is July 4th; And It's Time To Restore The 4th Amendment] was freaking awesome. I have gone ahead and added your stuff to my Feedly account. Please keep me updated if you post anywhere else.
Keep rocking –
Jon
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Just like SOPA...
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Check this out. Mike is so scared of me criticizing him that he has his censorship filter catching the following phrases:
Mike's *** Greatest *** Hits
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Mikey's *** Greatest *** Hits
Trying posting that, but without the ***'s. It will be held for moderation by Mike the Censor, Controller of Thoughts.
Wow. Thin-skinned much??? Scared of criticism much???
Classic.
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It's called a spam filter, you idiot. You keep spamming the same shit over and over, it'll start holding your comments in moderation.
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So posting "Mikey's %&%& Greatest %&%& Hits" (but without the %&%&)is spam? LOL!
Mike is doing it for the sole purpose of keeping a dissident point of view that criticizes him from his comments.
He ONLY started blocking that phrase after I used it to criticize him.
Just like a Chinese dictator. Right out of China's playbook.
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Maybe then your comments wouldn't get held in moderation. Or did my advice just whiz past your face?
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Now, before you rush off and get your knickers in a twist, that was all the comment had, just those three words. Accordingly, the spam filters recognised it as spam, as a meaningless comment that doesn't advance the conversation in any way, and so, held it. If Mike is indeed censoring his "critics" (and no, you are not a critic, real critics actually make decent arguments), then he's censoring those who support him too.
I mean come on, you're not being censored. Your post is still up there for everyone to see. They only get held in moderation if it's far too short (three words), contain only a link, etc.
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You know that's a bullshit excuse. I will take Mike on directly on the merits on any issue. I won't run away. I won't mince words. I'll answer every question of his with 100% truth and honesty.
He's blocking me because he can't stand the criticism. He's blocking me because he's scared of having a substantive discussion on the merits.
That's not spam, and you know it.
Defend him all you want, but he's the one running away from a productive discussion. Not me.
Calling my posts "spam" is just another stupid excuse in the long, long line of excuses that have been fabricated to "explain" why Mike shouldn't actually defend what he writes.
It's total bullshit.
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I'm here to discuss the merits. Funny how Mike isn't.
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Mike is blocking TOR exit nodes like crazy. Fire up TOR and try and post on Techdirt. Your post is very likely to be held up in the Techdirt Thought Control Moderation Queue.
Mike, who pretends to support anonymity, blocks TOR exit nodes like a Chinese dictator. Yep.
And many of those nodes were blocked for the sole purpose of trying to prevent me from criticizing Mike. They weren't being used for spam. They were being used to voice a dissident point of view.
But Mikey blocked them.
Just like a Chinese dictator.
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What is censorship in your book? Define it for us.
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Are you sure it was Mike?
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I've been at my summer home the past couple weeks, and frankly I'm surprised he hasn't been blocking me. I'm sure he will soon. Of course, as he so often preaches, it's completely futile.
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Maybe...just maybe, if Mike actually is blocking TOR nodes, he does it for reasons that have nothing to do with censorship. I've heard horror stories of people operating TOR nodes and then being raided by police for child porn charges.
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I thought you had some sort of trace bullshit going on there.
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NSA using DCMA takedowns maybe?
Is it just me and the NSA has limited my Internet access or is the site really down?
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Lord, love a duck..or dick
Sure, you're being blocked by a spam machine. You're the spam, and it's just doing it's job.
God, don't I hate tiresome idiots in the summer. I guess their brains become puddles of mush in the sun or something.
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This is one way to fight back against the NSA...
http://guardiannews.com/world/shortcuts/2013/jul/05/national-security-agency-recruitment- drive
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the brain initiative = the great deception
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