If Only Ed Snowden Worked On Wall St. He'd Be Free From Prosecution Risk
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Holy cow! Mike takes a swipe at Wall Street!
To celebrate this turn toward my views -- if it is -- and if he's always agreed with me that Wall Street is nothing but thieves, then his fault for not making that clear -- anyhoo, I'm going to take a holiday from commenting tomorrow.
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So I guess that you don't need to be past 30 to see through the lies of a paranoid nutcase.
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Why stop at tomorrow? You'd do us a favor if you took a sabbatical.
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Mike doesn't share her views, nor is he turning. Correct me if I'm wrong but he comes across as being reality-based, center-right, slightly libertarian. I can live with that.
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Well, except for that "center-right", I agree with your assessment.
I wish people would just stop using that left vs. right BS. It's a meaningless, empty concept which was only briefly useful centuries ago in France. Today it's as useless as liberal vs. conservative. It's either a crutch for those too lazy to bother understanding mildly complex, nuanced concepts (degrading the ideas they attempt to express), or a club used to bash political opponents with intentional ignorance.
While I'm at it, "slightly libertarian" is goofy too. Either you're describing individual freedom and liberty or its opposite authoritarian, possibly even statist. Eschew intellectual sloth! I do. :-)
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That's just pundit talk.
Center-right implies mild right leaning view point, not that he hates lefts. Sometimes you don't have an entire essay to outline the nuances of your political belief spectrum.
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No kidding? I'd never have guessed.
Learn to read. The post I replied to called Mike "center-right", and my reply was questioning the use of that empty phrase. I know the US is pretty much addicted to it (as well as liberal vs. conservative), but try to fight it. They both make you look foolish. The world and ideas are more complicated those things can describe, and you'll be better off (less easily manipulated) without them.
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I think Mike does an admirable job of keeping his personal politics out of here. That, or he does a wonderful job of being 'slightly right of centre' without all the frothing hatred and fear that seems to usually characterise their discussions.
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You're right, Niall, the American Right is scary at the moment and "Conservative" now means "nut job" and "Tinfoil hat-wearer." I remember a time when it meant "Not a moonbat who wanted to make it legal to [insert craziness here]" or "sensible, rational person."
It's the sensible rationality that draws me back here time and time again.
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It wasn't my intention to cause you anger. I was just stating my opinion. You chose the perfect username for yourself. You're pragmatic to a fault. "Whatever works, damnit!" I, on the other hand, am an idealist. As Aristotle said, "Things as they could, and should be." "Whatever works" isn't good enough (for me; YMMV). I want things "done right." In IT, I want to make problems disappear never to return. I don't want a (pragmatic) quick fix that just gets me to tomorrow.
See, to me, that says nothing. Compared to Frank Zappa, Jon Stewart is conservative, but compared to the Pope he's a flaming liberal. To me (and "Your Mileage May Vary", certainly), the left vs. right, liberal vs. conservative scales carry no meaning and are incapable of shedding any real light in a discussion. They're as empty as marketroid buzzwords; much sound and fury, signifying nothing.
Would you say Edward Snowden is conservative? He looks that way to me, but look at what he's done. Richard Stallman's never done anything even remotely like what Snowden's done, but Stallman's a flaming liberal!
Left, right, liberal, and conservative are out of their depth when trying to describe ideas. That's all I'm saying.
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Anyway I personally thought the picture was funny.
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They've apparently never heard the saying, "Tis better to be thought a fool than to open one's mouth and confirm the opinion."
Current US political discourse in a nutshell: Pick a side and fight!
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Yeah, 'cause no one on Wall Street has been subject to the reach of U.S. law enforcement.
Good grief, Mike.
I hope you enjoy your Fourth, DDOSing government websites, burning American flags, or doing whatever it is you do.
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If not, then STFU and GTFO.
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To quote Bugs Bunny, "What a imBECile. What a ULTRA-maroon!"
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Nice accusations you have there. I trust you have some proof to back them up?
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I am waiting to see how many people on Wall Street have a security clearance and access to this sort of national security information. Oh, none.
Rick does it again. Glorified masturbation pictures for his followers, but no actual content.
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Can you do better ? "Look at what this guy did"
"but he did this" and "look at what this guy did"
You see 4 years olds saying things like that in the playground, not supposedly intelligent people, or even Masnick.
Snowden has not been to trial so how can you compare what a Court decided on one case, (totally unrelated), and what you "guess" they would do to Snowden.
The US HAS DONE NOTHING TO SNOWDEN, except lay charges and seek his presence in a court of law.
But this does not matter to Masnick, if he ever see's what he perceives to be an injustice, he will compare it to NO JUSTICE, Snowden has received NO JUSTICE, because HE RAN AWAY, these other people went to court argued their case and received (possibly lighter punishments) for being honest and up front.
Snowden has done none of this, he is not game to face his accusers, and is hiding to avoid having to do so.
But you just keep up the "but look at what this guy did and got away with it" "Look at what he said, and they 'punish' Snowden.
Snowden has not been punished (yet) he has not faced a court, and he has rejected his opportunity of a fair trial.
That is Snowden's decision, he chose to run away.
At least all the other people you are trotting out have been upright enough to face a court and confront the charges.
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That is fuckin extreme
And what kind of dumbass would turn themselves in after embarassing the usa. Secret courts. Secret laws. Nuff said
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Are you going to admit you censor comments now ?? I guess it's easier than being exposed by your detractors.
For someone who says they fight censorship, you SURE DO LIKE TO USE IT....
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You forgot the bit about walling off the entire Guardian site from the US military. That's censorship (though certainly a pathetically poor implementation of it).
Bradley Manning opens eyes. The US authorities use duct tape to attempt to close them. Pathetic.
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NOT the comment I made that Masnick censored..
YOU CANT SEE IT BECAUSE IT'S NOT THERE !!!!
MANICKS HAS CENSORED IT..
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Nope, we can still see it! Learn to spell, you brainless turdtwat.
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What do you not understand about Click here to show it?
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I mean, out_of_the_blue is still able to comment. bob is still able to comment. We also have a few ACs that are critical and some times embarrass Mike that sill are able to comment.
Are we supposed to believe that Mike has found the mythical "magic wand" that allows him to block only certain content? Or should we simply jump to the more plausible conclusion: that you are a waste of carbon?
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I mean, out_of_the_blue is still able to comment. bob is still able to comment. We also have a few ACs that are critical and some times embarrass Mike that sill are able to comment.
Honestly, I have not idea why Mike has put essentially an entire country on the "automatically moderate comments" list, but there ya go. He does it like that and that is Techdirt Censorship at it's finest.
You would have to ask him why he insist on censoring certain people. I think it just shows the same level of cowardly behavior he mocks others for.
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Wow, a country just for five people? Five people is essentially a country?
See, this is why no one believes your claim of how much time have you spent your life in China or Germany. If you think five people count as a country you're hopelessly self-deluded.
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I have tried a number of different connections on different devices, using other posting names, assuring all cookies are removed, and so far, it appears that my entire country is blocked. The only way I can post (I tested) was via a proxy. So certainly it's a country based / IP range based block, which is pure out and out censorship at it's finest.
You guys should wake up. All the nice stuff that Mike talks about being against censorship and all that, and he does this sort of thing right in front of you. Why are you not outraged?
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You would have to ask him why he insist on censoring certain people. I think it just shows the same level of cowardly behavior he mocks others for."
Liar. You are making stuff up. You are not being censored (though, you SHOULD be, as far as I am concerned) nor is anyone. I have said some pretty horrific and scathing things here, and have never once had my comments held, delayed or removed, and I've been coming to this site for over 12 years.
There is the report button (which is NOT censorship) and your paranoid imagination.
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RD, you are an idiot. Pay attention. If I write a post (including this one) it does not appear on the site at all - it's held for moderation. It takes 24-48 hours for someone to bother to look at it, and about 90% of them never make it onto the site. When they do, it's typically so late that it is no longer relevant.
As an example, I made the very first post in the doug englebart thread "horse with no name, Jul 3rd, 2013 @ 6:46pm"
yet, when I check Google cache for that thread "It is a snapshot of the page as it appeared on 5 Jul 2013 06:43:44 GMT" my comment does not appear - and there is no "block by the community thing", because the community never saw the post. In this case, it took almost 72 hours for the comment to be "moderated". In normal times when Techdirt is tossing up a dozen or more posts a day, that would mean my comment would have appeared when the post on page 3 or 4.
It's censorship - but Mike doesn't want to admit it and most certainly does not want to discuss it.
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No one is automatically entitled to be heard, though Mike gives everyone, even the trolls, an opportunity to post here without having to log in. Yes, his hospitality gets abused, but as a favor to us, he lets us hide the posts we don't want to see. That's not censorship, it's being sensible. Long live the report button!
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The citizens of this nation demand that our government operate under the framework of our constitution. Our government now fails to serve the citizens of this nation. What do the citizens of this nation do when the executive, legislative and judicial branches of government fail to protect us?
Our courts often punish the victims and reward the criminals.
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It is not their job to protect us, it is their job to UPHOLD THE CONSTITUTION AND THE LAWS OF THE REPUBLIC.
Period.
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STUDENTS GRILL NSA
we all are adversaries
and jsut who the hell are there "customers" he refers too....
hollywood? BIG BUSINESS, SPACE ALIENS?
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Look what THIS GUY Did
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"but he did this"..
Typical schoolboy 4 year old argument, it's what you resort too when you have absolutely NOTHING LEFT..
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I get it now
(Did I get it right???)
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Or is this your idea of "fun"?
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If Ed Snowden was called something else, and he did not work for the NSA or a contractor of them, did not steal documents and did not provide them to a newspaper for personal gains, and did not run away to other countries, the US Government would still charge him as Ed Snowden and charge him for stealing NSA Documents ?
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As usual your body is upside down. You think the gap in your posterior called the "anus" is your brain.
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So, the banks were no party to the giant ripoff. I guess the ratings people are innocent also.
Put down the pipe and step away from the table
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TL:DR Stop blaming the individual dominoes instead of the hand that tipped them.
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Individual dominoes? wtf?
Other than non enforcement of the laws, how - exactly - did the fed encourage such bad behavior on the part of the banks, ratings people and friends ? Please be specific.
Banksters and cronies are laughing it up
1) make lots of risky loans
2) bundle them up in securities
3) coerce good ratings
4) sell to unsuspecting investors
5) short stock in those who bought said shitty products
6) get hand slapped and pay minuscule fine
7) no one charged, held accountable
8) no one goes to jail
9) profit out yer ass
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That is not a faît accompli! Some of us continue to hope there's still some sense left in the USA (despite all the evidence to the contrary).
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But if he continues to choose to be on the lamb, and refuses to stand up for himself, and hide from the law, he will continue to be 'wanted'.
Sure, if he fronted the court, returned to the US, did his time, then NO ONE WOULD WANT HIM.
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Sorry, darryl, but humans in general are less gullible than solar panels. But keep on believing.
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Speaking of "evidence to the contrary", QED. People like you shouldn't be allowed to retain US citizenship. You haven't earned it.
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You mean like Manning, who is only now in the middle of a trial, THREE YEARS after being arrested?
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Good point (your whole post, not just this bit of it). For most of its existence, despite its many "hiccups" down through the years, the USA has been a beacon of hope to the entire world. I very much hope to see its people win this one against the forces of tyranny currently in its midst.
Happy Fourth, USA. Now buckle down and get to work! :-)
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Oh, and Happy Get-rid-of-Useless-Colonies Day! :) Hope you have glorious weather.
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No, like what what they allowed it to do to Latin America (Bay of Pigs, Chile's Salvador Allende, United Fruit Co.), Viet Nam, "The War on *", and that sort of thing. I never suggest they've been angels, but the original premise behind their Declaration of Independence was spot on.
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This shows only ONE THING
you really need to actually find out what is going on and do some serious analysis of your own country and its finances.
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Snowden a "Juicy Morsel" for the Russians
All the Governments who are considering offering Snowden asylum are doing so solely on the basis of what THEY can GAIN from getting their hands on Snowden.
Snowden is now just as much as an embarrassment as much as he intended to embarrass the US.
The massage he wanted to convey is long forgotten, and is rarely if ever mentioned. There is little agree or belief that it is unconstitutional. It's also very difficult to impossible to reference this to the 4th amendment.
That from it's reading, phone meta-data does not fall under your property or possessions.
Snowden has run out of options, it's appears no country wants him, and after Assanges example, no Country will see enough political gains to warrant taking him on.
I do find it odd that Masnick and co. have decided to compare what the US HAS NOT DONE to Snowden to what they have not done with others.
Nor is Snowden "stateless" as he claims he is, this claim he is making is therefore A LIE.
Having your passport revoked does not revoke your citizenship, he is still legally a US citizen, he has a state (the US) he just does not want to go there.
He also rejected an offer of asylum in Russia, because he would have to cease releasing documents. He chose to continue to break the law as opposed to seeking asylum.
He wants to use the documents he has as a bargaining chip, except no one wants to deal with him. Basically HE'S SCREWED.
At least he's learnt one lesson off assange, how to fuck it up, and make himself the subject of the story, not the message. I for one, have no sympathy for someone who does stupid things, and CONTINUES to do them in the face of all reason.
I hope he enjoys the next 10 years at a Russian airport. They should make a movie about it.. (oh wait)..
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Actually you're wrong. The NSA's unconstitutional spying program is constantly brought up all over the place.
"That from it's reading, phone meta-data does not fall under your property or possessions."
Aggregating swaths of personal info from private companies without probable cause is a violation of the Fourth Amendment, as is collecting all your e-mails, text messages and audio/video communications.
"Nor is Snowden "stateless" as he claims he is, this claim he is making is therefore A LIE.
Having your passport revoked does not revoke your citizenship, he is still legally a US citizen, he has a state (the US) he just does not want to go there."
Considering what happened to Assange, Hastings, Manning and others, can you blame him?
"He also rejected an offer of asylum in Russia, because he would have to cease releasing documents. He chose to continue to break the law as opposed to seeking asylum."
As opposed to the US government whose job it is to defend and protect the Constitution, then goes about setting up various administrations in order to violate it?
"At least he's learnt one lesson off assange, how to fuck it up, and make himself the subject of the story, not the message."
The mainstream media are the ones distracting from the message, not Snowden.
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Nice Peter Sellers reference.
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Hey, darryl, guess what - they recently cancelled big spying plans in Australia! Imagine that! A den of thieves, where George Orwell's works are public domain, under no surveillance! Makes your solar panel dick sad, innit?
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Try posting this phrase: Mikey's ****** Greatest ****** Hits
But leave out the ******'s.
It will be caught by the moderation filter because Mike scared of you using that phrase.
Awesome.
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Did momma overdose you on breastmilk as a kid, leading you to have this obsession with Masnick lactating?
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Mb>"What do the citizens of this nation do when the executive, legislative and judicial branches of government fail to protect us?"
It is not their job to protect us, it is their job to UPHOLD THE CONSTITUTION AND THE LAWS OF THE REPUBLIC.
Period.
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We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.
ENSURE DOMESTIC TRANQUILITY
PROVIDE A COMMON DEFENSE
Establish Justice
So basically your wrong.
Learn your own Constitution before you try to trash it, it just makes you look like an idiot..
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