Ed Snowden Explains To Former Senator, Who Emailed In Support, That No Foreign Gov't Can Access His Documents
from the aiding-the-enemy? dept
While the government and defenders of the NSA surveillance program continue to want to paint Ed Snowden out to be a spy and trying to "aid the enemy," public opinion continues to side with Snowden and believe that he's a clear whistleblower, calling attention to government excess. Glenn Greenwald has published a fascinating email exchange between Snowden and former Senator Gordon Humphrey, who apparently sent an unsolicited email to Snowden to thank him for exposing government wrongs.Think about this for a second. Here is a former US Senator -- a member of the Foreign Relations, Armed Services and Judiciary Committees -- telling Snowden that he supports his effort, agrees that the surveillance program is a "massive violation" of the Constitution, and wishes him well in finding a country that will protect him from the US. That's really rather incredible, but it shows just how far the current US government is taking things in trying to demonize Snowden. Humphrey recognizes that the leak helped expose a questionable program, hasn't "aided our enemies" and is supporting Snowden remaining outside the hands of US law enforcement.Mr. Snowden,
Provided you have not leaked information that would put in harms way any intelligence agent, I believe you have done the right thing in exposing what I regard as massive violation of the United States Constitution.
Having served in the United States Senate for twelve years as a member of the Foreign Relations Committee, the Armed Services Committee and the Judiciary Committee, I think I have a good grounding to reach my conclusion.
I wish you well in your efforts to secure asylum and encourage you to persevere.
Kindly acknowledge this message, so that I will know it reached you.
Regards,
Gordon J. Humphrey
Former United States Senator
New Hampshire
Snowden's response, by the way, is quite eloquent, and presents Snowden's arguments even better than I've seen him express them elsewhere. He also, strongly, refutes the claim that many have made that Snowden must have given the contents of the documents he copied to the Chinese or the Russians. He notes that keeping such things secret is his specialty, and he set things up carefully to avoid anyone else getting their hands on the documents:
Of course, it's one thing to claim that they cannot get access to the documents, and a different thing to actually keep those documents safe. However, given everything Snowden has done so far, it's shown that he was exceptionally careful in how he's acted with the release of the documents to date, and I have little doubt that he's taken significant precautions to keep them out of the hands of those governments, contrary to the claims of those who are seeking to tar and feather him.Mr. Humphrey,
Thank you for your words of support. I only wish more of our lawmakers shared your principles - the actions I've taken would not have been necessary.
The media has distorted my actions and intentions to distract from the substance of Constitutional violations and instead focus on personalities. It seems they believe every modern narrative requires a bad guy. Perhaps it does. Perhaps, in such times, loving one's country means being hated by its government.
If history proves that be so, I will not shy from that hatred. I will not hesitate to wear those charges of villainy for the rest of my life as a civic duty, allowing those governing few who dared not do so themselves to use me as an excuse to right these wrongs.
My intention, which I outlined when this began, is to inform the public as to that which is done in their name and that which is done against them. I remain committed to that. Though reporters and officials may never believe it, I have not provided any information that would harm our people - agent or not - and I have no intention to do so.
Further, no intelligence service - not even our own - has the capacity to compromise the secrets I continue to protect. While it has not been reported in the media, one of my specializations was to teach our people at DIA how to keep such information from being compromised even in the highest threat counter-intelligence environments (i.e. China).
You may rest easy knowing I cannot be coerced into revealing that information, even under torture.
With my thanks for your service to the nation we both love,
Edward Snowden
Separately, Greenwald contacted Humphrey to confirm the email, and Humphrey provided even more on his thoughts about Snowden which are worth publishing:
It seems unfortunate that we live in a country where the reaction to Snowden is considered reasonable by some. Yes, the government is clearly embarrassed by the leaks, but that's because it's now clear they were hiding things that either they shouldn't not have done in the first place, or which should never have been hidden. Embarrassment is a terrible feeling, but it's no excuse for turning a whistleblower into a fugitive.Mr. Greenwald,
Yes. It was I who sent the email message to Edward Snowden, thanking him for exposing astonishing violations of the US Constitution and encouraging him to persevere in the search for asylum.
To my knowledge, Mr. Snowden has disclosed only the existence of a program and not details that would place any person in harm's way. I regard him as a courageous whistle-blower.
I object to the monumentally disproportionate campaign being waged by the U.S. Government against Edward Snowden, while no effort is being made to identify, remove from office and bring to justice those officials who have abused power, seriously and repeatedly violating the Constitution of the United States and the rights of millions of unsuspecting citizens.
Americans concerned about the growing arrogance of our government and its increasingly menacing nature should be working to help Mr. Snowden find asylum. Former Members of Congress, especially, should step forward and speak out.
Regards,
Gordon Humphrey
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Stupidity
I'll leave that for us to reflect over. What the US are doing is not only an absurd in terms of freedom of speech and so on but by trying to isolate him they are leaving him wide open to exactly this - potentially unfriendly governments to try to extract stuff from him under torture. It's sheer stupidity.
It seems unfortunate that we live in a country where the reaction to Snowden is considered reasonable by some.
I've read an article from Mat Honan in Wired about when he was epically hacked. The article itself is fascinating but the most interesting part is the follow ups. He writes about how passwords must die as a lone form of security measure (which is a fairly reasonable idea in its own) but during the article he keeps throwing the idea that we must give up privacy for greater security. You see, he went through great distress and this is driving his rant. Much like fear of some unnamed ethereal enemy drives these people who find it reasonable. Until they are affected by a surveillance system that's put in place to placate their hysteria. In some ways I think the Govt strategy can be turned against themselves. If people are so sensitive and easily scared then why not spread the word on how bad this can be? A little history class wouldn't harm anybody ;)
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If Snowden has all this intelligence and was working with XYZ...why is he stuck in the transit zone of a Russian airport? If he was working with China, why did they let him leave Hong Kong? If he's working with Russia, why is he still in the airport and not somewhere in Moscow proper?
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false flaaaaags man...
Takes off tin foil hat
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Only a tiny number of people find that as horrifying as they should.
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Amazing
But somehow foreign governments can not access them !
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The USA has been caught spying on both Americans and foreigners. It spied on diplomats and engaged on industrial espionage. Furthermore, it was shown that American companies willingly gave the NSA special access to customer private data.
Do you know what that means? No business will ever trust any of your software companies again (at least in the short/mid term).
And on top of that, the USA created an international incident just because Snowden might have been on some plane headed to Bolivia. Now you have a situation boiling in South America (which, in case you Americans forgot, is right under you).
The USA should be focusing on fixing their credibility problem, not going on a witch-hunt.
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Security clearance
Here's the thing I'm seeing...and please understand I'm completely for what Snowden is doing. He has information that he likely had to go above his own security clearance to obtain. While policies are not one bit classifiable information, the procedures in this case are. These procedures give information on how to access the metadata the NSA has collected. While he did in fact legally blow the whistle, his security clearance was not that of obtaining the encryption codes to access said procedures.
The only illegal part was obtaining the information and moving it off the premises without proper security clearance.
Now before anyone jumps on me for pointing this out, it should be noted that law makers and the US Government and major media are conflating all this to make it look like Snowden is a dangerous James Bond like spy who just lost his license to kill and has gone rogue. I hate conflation.
In my view, because Snowden is keeping preserved (meaning he's keeping the data he has that can be used against us quite safe), he should be cleared of all charges of espionage and honestly, everything else the US Government has accused him of thus far.
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"government is clearly embarrassed by the leaks"?
In running this piece, you further the apparently intended narrative that there even are opposition forces in gov't, but you don't know that. Snowden, Greenwald, whoever could all be unwitting dupes. -- You don't even suspect nothin', just swallow the story whole.
SO until actually SEE something from Snowden's "leak" that didn't know years ago, remain highly skeptical.
By the way, look at how this continues to shift to useless drama of Snowden's exile, and statements by Greenwald that Snowden has enough to bring down the US gov't, and so on -- but hedged now that he won't and can't even under torture reveal it to enemies! Those are mere words, diverting at best from the actual everyday SPY STATE apparatus -- including commercial front, Google.
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Ensuring silence
No, you don't understand: if the United States is embarrassed at being caught out in this horrible exposure of their most secret programs, they must find, capture, prosecute and then silence the perpetrator.
"It is vital! It is our duty to silence all traitors, lest they tell the people the truth! Let us destroy this rogue, and keep him from destroying our carefully built house of cards!
That is why they're doing all they can to make him into the image of a traitor: he told the truth.
But that doesn't mean everyone believes them. I don't, for sure, and I'm glad the former Senator from NH doesn't either.
There should be more of the public figures coming out in support of the truth.
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He only showed that there was such a system in place, and not the actual contents of said system.
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Nobel Prize for Peace
I hope the following is his speech if he wins:
"If history proves that be so, I will not shy from that hatred. I will not hesitate to wear those charges of villainy for the rest of my life as a civic duty, allowing those governing few who dared not do so themselves to use me as an excuse to right these wrongs."
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evening rant
Congress is corrupted by cash, the people are idiots, the president is a puppet and the conditions for an actual, honest to goodness, mom and apple pie police state are not only ripe but they are prevalent, present, armed and dangerous and their reach clearly is without limits.
Who, in their right mind, is so afraid of TERRORISTS(!) that they could give less than half a shit about the foundations of freedom? Who? Because I, for one, would like to know who the enemy truly is.
WHERE ARE THE IDIOTS!?
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Re: Security clearance
This poses two problems, one of them necessarily true:
1- Govt security is lousy allowing Snowden o others to hack their way through the system regardless of clearance.
2- He had clearance and what you are saying is incorrect.
Both are damning ;)
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Right. I hereby nominate my dog for the Nobel Peace Prize. Notice I don't have a dog.
Btw, nothing personal Wally it's just that I completely lost any faith or sense of credibility towards Nobel Prizes lately...
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My kind of Senator
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This only leaves out the fail-safe mechanism if Snowden is killed. For that, there might be a cache of copies that are encrypted in the same manner but without a key that only Snowden knew.
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The thing is, only his supervisors had access to policy and procedures taken off premises...Snowden's supervisors told people "do this" and in the NSA you are never encouraged to question the orders that come from your superiors. I mean this is a government agency that has the policy "Never Say Anything" which means you don't people why they have to do what you say. Snowden suspected something was wrong with what he was being told to do and did in fact have to gain unauthorized access to get the damning information.
My admiration of him is the simple fact that he vowed to preserve the classified information he took with him. The moment he breaks preserve, that's when we can start properly labeling him as a traitor. Thank God he he was the supervisor of DIA training.
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Re: Amazing
What I have suggested is that this subset is doubly encrypted with Snowden only possessing one of the keys. They could torture him and get the key, but that would still not be enough to read the documents.
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He's already paid the price for it. He's lost his job, his wife, his son, his summer house in Hawaii, pretty much everything! He's stuck himself to living at an airport to make sure he stays alive.
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I suppose that makes sense. After all, what better way to ensure that everyone has paid the proper license fee for everything they do, see, or say, than constant surveillance?
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This should be carved in stone somewhere. Schoolchildren should read it. It should be part of a pledge.
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This allows for different levels of disclosure based on disappearance, arrest, deportation, death, etc. His press conference was more than likely a proof of life event to prevent disclosure.
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http://www.nytimes.com/2013/07/01/us/job-title-key-to-inner-access-held-by-snowden.html ?pagewanted=all&_r=0
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I hope that's the case as they use drugs and far more primitive methods to extract the info from him...
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Thanks for the tip!
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If someone around has ever heard about the Daemon series, by Daniel Suarez, they could guess how Snowden could just have acted - prepared a Twitter crawler to, if news of his death get around, it just starts sending files around the world. And whatever the hell he did while on NSA computers, probably would be almost untraceable, given the level of the hardware and the legitimate access as system admin.
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I really wish I could take my vote back for Obama because he's turned out to be a bigger piece of shit than Bush. They're destroying everything the USA is supposed to stand for... :(
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We don't. Our laws are rushed through by congressmen who proudly proclaim that they have no idea what they're doing and just want to pass all the laws right away so they can go home and watch TV.
I wish I was being hyperbolic. Here's a choice sample from the SOPA debacle:
SOPA Markup Day 1: We Don't Understand This Bill, It Might Do Terrible Things, But Dammit, We're Passing It Now
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You left out the part about "doing so for those who were unwilling to do so."
I love the way he called out his co-workers and Congress as cowards.
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Drugs, Pain... Just for Starters
Clearly this young man knows NOTHING about interrogation.
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Public Opinion
He seems like a bit of a fool who was probably groomed and flipped by Julian Assange, much like poor Bradley Manning was before him. Assange has a pretty good racket going where the suckers pay the price for his fame and fortune while he's immunized by an army of naive and well-meaning followers.
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http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-07-10/snowden-seen-as-whistlebloweer-by-majority-in-new- poll.html
From just last week: A majority of U.S. registered voters consider Edward Snowden a whistle-blower, not a traitor, and a plurality says government anti-terrorism efforts have gone too far in restricting civil liberties, a poll released today shows.
Fifty-five percent said Snowden was a whistle-blower in leaking details about top-secret U.S. programs that collect telephone and Internet data,
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http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2013/06/17/americans-say-snowden-should-be-p rosecuted-for-nsa-leaks-in-usa-today-poll/2430583/
They also probably didn't poll as many white males, the group most sympathetic to Snowden. While opinion is split on the NSA's programs, there's a clear majority in favor of the position that Snowden shouldn't be leaking NSA's data all over the world.
I find if a bit contradictory to hail the openness of the Internet on the one hand while expressing shock at the implications of openness on the other. If you wanted to create the ideal communications infrastructure for a surveillance state, your design wouldn't be significantly different from the TCP/IP Internet. It's like walking around naked and being outraged by the gawkers.
Whatever.
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Amirite?
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