Microsoft Sends Google DMCA Takedowns For Microsoft's Own Website
from the yeah,-that's-working dept
Remember back when HBO sent a DMCA takedown notice to Google that included links to HBO.com? Apparently, the various services, which do automated DMCA takedowns, haven't gotten much better. TorrentFreak has the amusing story of how Microsoft apparently is paying good money to LeakID to send DMCA takedowns, on behalf of Microsoft, to Google over links to Microsoft's own website -- including to its store.Thank you for reading this Techdirt post. With so many things competing for everyone’s attention these days, we really appreciate you giving us your time. We work hard every day to put quality content out there for our community.
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Filed Under: automated, copyright, dmca, takedowns
Companies: google, leakid, microsoft
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PIRACY!!!!!!!!!!
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That's *exactly* what it is, you silly buffoon.
Does it come even remotely close to equaling the amount of legitimate takedowns? No, it doesn't.
That, by definition, is an anomaly.
And you, by definition, are a complete fucking idiot.
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0.01% of a 1 000 000 is still 100. There are plenty more takedowns than that...
There's a reason the justice system is supposed to follow due process. The rights are supposed to be GUARENTEED.
I'd rather catch 50% of all murderers than 101%. The next time you push for that 101% just remember that 1% could be you...
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For example... What percentage of the population would you say is transgender? 0.3% according to a study by the Williams Institute at the UCLA School of Law.
That would, to me, also fit the definition of an anomaly.
So based on your statements above, we shouldn't need to address their issues right? We don't need to assign any penalties to those that wrongly infringe on their rights. They are an anomaly.
Pick any fringe issue you like and I am sure it's percentage is lower than the percentage of erroneous takedowns that have been issued.
In this country (U.S.) we err on the side of the people's rights.
Blackstone's formulation comes to mind, or Benjamin Franklin, or Maimonides, or John Adams. They all are actually based on something written in every Christian bible...
Genesis 18:23-32
23 Then Abraham approached him and said: “Will you sweep away the righteous with the wicked? 24 What if there are fifty righteous people in the city? Will you really sweep it away and not spare[a] the place for the sake of the fifty righteous people in it? 25 Far be it from you to do such a thing—to kill the righteous with the wicked, treating the righteous and the wicked alike. Far be it from you! Will not the Judge of all the earth do right?”
26 The Lord said, “If I find fifty righteous people in the city of Sodom, I will spare the whole place for their sake.”
27 Then Abraham spoke up again: “Now that I have been so bold as to speak to the Lord, though I am nothing but dust and ashes, 28 what if the number of the righteous is five less than fifty? Will you destroy the whole city for lack of five people?”
“If I find forty-five there,” he said, “I will not destroy it.”
29 Once again he spoke to him, “What if only forty are found there?”
He said, “For the sake of forty, I will not do it.”
30 Then he said, “May the Lord not be angry, but let me speak. What if only thirty can be found there?”
He answered, “I will not do it if I find thirty there.”
31 Abraham said, “Now that I have been so bold as to speak to the Lord, what if only twenty can be found there?”
He said, “For the sake of twenty, I will not destroy it.”
32 Then he said, “May the Lord not be angry, but let me speak just once more. What if only ten can be found there?”
He answered, “For the sake of ten, I will not destroy it.”
And is name-calling really necessary?
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and the answer is:
When that is all you have, Yes.
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I'm fairly sure Microsoft removed itself from Bing too, eh?
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Google should just comply
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On a normal bogus complaint they should push back. But when when a bogus complaint means a company is taking its own stuff down, why not? The DMCA clearly states that Google has no liability for complying.
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Or to put it another way, it's like a spoiled child who demands ice cream all the time. If you keep giving him ice cream, but then give him an anti-acid because you want to "do no evil" and prevent him from getting a belly ache, he'll never learn. The only way he'll learn why he can't have ice cream for every meal is if he suffers the consequences.
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But yeah, I wonder how much time and money is actually being wasted to issue and process these notices rather than actually fix the reasons people pirate in the first place.
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So, while the product in question will be copyrighted, it's sure as hell not losing anyone any revenue. At best, you could argue that fake copies of SP1 should be taken down for security reasons but if so it's especially hilarious that they're inadvertently trying to take down the official source for the patch, and thus force people into areas that will put them at more risk.
Yes, this is clerical error/poorly formed bots/whatever, but that doesn't excuse it when people are calling for draconian punishments against people accused by such a system.
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If you adjust your perspective to being sociopathic, you can find the good in all sorts of fucked up situations.
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Fixing reasons indeed, it's like you people think that people pirate because the services they need aren't available or are massively over priced or something...
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Anomalies
"Oh, sorry we botched the operation and killed the patient. Turns out that I can't do heart surgery very well while under the influence of Tequila.
Anyway, don't feel sad: this only happens 5% of the times! Rest assured that we will not make any changes to our procedures. This incredibly low amount of perfectly preventable incidents does not warrant such changes, in our honest opinion.".
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Let's say Google charges a $10 fee for processing just the patently bogus copyright claims. According to Google (as quoted in this TD article), about 37% of all claims are bogus. And according to Google's own stats, they received 13,956,302 removal requests just last month. That gives us 5,163,832 bad claims, times $10 is...$51,638,317.00. Per month. Times twelve is $619,659,808 per year.
$619.7 million dollars is chump change for Google, but still...
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LOL uh, no.
Not even close.
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You're also a complete fucking idiot.
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You know, I'm actually glad we have terms like this floating around. I helps identify the complete morons who haven't considered any of the arguments.
I note you haven't refuted any of the arguments presents, you jumped straight to swearing and throwing a tantrum. Nice.
"millions of legitimate takedown notices"
Do you have actual figures for this, especially figures for legitimate vs. illegitimate notices (and no, the figures on "correctly filed" DMCA notices don't count, since the above MS vs. MS would count as "legitimate" under those criteria)? If you do, I'd love to see them since they'd lay to rest some arguments.
I suspect however, that you're one of those people who assumes that all most notices are correct, and don't give a shit how many rights are trampled over in the process so long as your **AAs think they're making a difference (which they're not so long as they try to rip off everyone from artists to streaming services and their legal customers).
So come on, are one of you people going to provide valid evidence for once, or is it half-assed assumption time again?
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And so they should be cut of from the internet and have there bandwidth managed once they are reconnect and then ever user in the Microsoft offices will have to do a online copyright education program.
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Thanks to my tutoring you can all recognize an anomaly!
Masnicking: daily spurts of short and trivial traffic-generating items.
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Considering that HBO did it to themselves, and NBC did it to themselves...
Yeah, one's an anomaly, two is a trend, three is a problem.
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With regards to what you said, I find it interesting and helpful to have an easily searchable list of these "anomalies" so that I can show to others that they're not anomalies by their sheer number.
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When the same kind of bogus takedown happens twice, you can call it a coincidence.
When those bogus takedowns happen multiple times, however, you can call it incompetence.
This situation makes it look as if LeakID has a problem with identifying actual infringing links. Any company that would want to hire LeakID to handle DMCA notifications should take a long look at this situation and consider whether LeakID's incompetence makes for a worthwhile investment.
The government should also look at this situation and consider whether the cost that companies incur from dealing with these bogus takedowns (in both money and time) makes for a worthwhile reason to create an actual punishment for filing false DMCA notifications.
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Re: Thanks to my tutoring you can all recognize an anomaly!
Wow! You must be this century's nostradumbass, please, feel free to break your arms patting yourself on the back for cracking the complex and alien code required to figure out what TechDirt will report on!
I hope your parents proudly beat you to death for this accomplishment and then notifying complete strangers on the internet with your pointless babbling.
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The point is that both the movie and music distribution industry keep complaining that Google isn't doing enough to stop links to pirated media from showing up in their search engine, and yet they can't seem to identify their own content themselves without including links to themselves/each other/content the don't own.
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The tracker cannot bear the sheer amount! It broke down just over 9000!
Welcome to ootb world, where everyday events are considered anomalies.
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OOTB #14
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Notice-and-notice system
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Looks more like Microsoft confessing to piracy to me!
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What are they hidiing..
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If the system lacks a penalty, ADD ONE
Also don't let them 'opt out' of being targeting like this, make them send the notice for each and every link, maybe if the companies have to actually go through the hassle of unblocking their own products and sites each and every time something like this happens they'd make sure the accuracy of the DMCA service they use was just a titch better.
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I'm Bored
LinkID Employee #2; Here's a work order from Microsoft to take down infringing content. Check this out! It's for the DMCA takedown of Microsoft's site.
LinkID Employee #1; Let's do it!
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takedowns, microsoft
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