NSA's Defense Of All Those Abuses: 'Well, Compared To All The Spying We Do, We Don't Abuse It That Often'
from the uh,-that's-not-helping dept
In our initial report about the Washington Post's astounding revelations about NSA abuses of surveillance, we posted part of the NSA's "defense" of those abuses, but we left out the truly crazy part, which came right after the part we initially quoted:“You can look at it as a percentage of our total activity that occurs each day,” he said. “You look at a number in absolute terms that looks big, and when you look at it in relative terms, it looks a little different.”This was a senior NSA official, almost certainly the NSA's "compliance director," arguing, in effect, "we do so much spying that a few thousand mistakes per year is really no big deal." Except, remember, throughout all of this, all of the NSA's defenders, from President Obama to James Clapper to Keith Alexander to Mike Rogers, keep insisting that abuse is next to impossible.
Yet, now even the NSA is admitting that "in absolute terms" there's a lot of abuse, but we shouldn't worry our pretty little heads about it, because in relative terms, it's not that much. This is the point at which anyone who understands the difference between absolute and relative numbers, and when each is the appropriate measure to use, starts coughing up a lung. The relative amount is meaningless here. The absolute number means everything, because it shows that abuse is widespread and happens daily -- something that the program's defenders have been trying to deny for months.
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I'm sure it looks like an infinitesimal amount on their Powerpoint slide pie chart, but Bad is Bad.
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That's like saying that because the Boston bombers injured so many people, the fact a few of them happened to die isn't really relevant, right?
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People in jail for murder may have followed most of the laws in relative terms but they get judged by the worst thing they have ever done. Why does the government get to get away with so much and receive no punishment when the rest of us don't get that benefit?
Imagine telling the judge, "but your honor, in absolute terms I follow most traffic laws. The officer catching me breaking the law was an anomaly."
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Approaching 0%
In relative terms anyway :)
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Understandable as purpose of "leaks" is to accustom public.
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"It's an anomaly, they don't count".
The exact same bullshit you spew when we talk about when copyright is used to censor.
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Then let's talk some prison terms for the violators
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Hell, given the amount of information they're collecting, it might have even said 0.00% abuse (rounded)
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Yes your honor, I downloaded the entire game of thrones series, but you see, since I bought so much other content, it really doesn't matter in a relative sense.
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The Paul Reubens/Fred Willard Defense
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He's correct that it's probably a small proportion
That things happen is inevitable. That spying orgs spy and, indeed, step over the line sometimes is expected (and, in many instances, desirable).
But moving the line so that the illegal becomes legal is wrong and sets a terrifying precedent. Not telling the people about it just makes it worse.
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He doesn't even realize what he's saying here. Not only are there abuses, but he's admitting they do SO MUCH SPYING that these thousands of cases of abuse are minor. How about if you can't cut back on the abuse, you cut back on the MOTHERF*#KING SPYING?!
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“You look at a number in absolute terms that looks big, and when you look at it in relative terms, it looks a little different.”
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No child left behind!
Zero Tolerance!
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It's all about math
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I could kind of see this spying being pointed outside America's borders. But to point it at your own people, the very people funding this program. It's shameful, insulting and worst of all, unconstitutional.
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