Rep. Alan Grayson Asks Eric Holder If US Citizen Glenn Greenwald Will Actually Be Allowed Back Into The US Without Arrest
from the shameful-that-this-question-is-asked dept
It's horrifying enough that this question needs to be asked, but Rep. Alan Grayson, who has been one of the most vocal members of Congress in calling out the NSA's bad behavior has sent a letter to Attorney General Eric Holder, seeking assurance that if US citizen Glenn Greenwald were to come back into the US that he could do so without being arrested. Grayson notes that a variety of prominent people, both within and outside the government (but who have influence on the government) have called for Greenwald to be arrested and prosecuted.Mr. Greenwald, a United States citizen currently living in Brazil, has been publicly attacked by Members of Congress such as Representative Peter King, who on multiple occasions has called for his arrest merely because of his reporting as a journalist on the NSA. The Chairs of the Senate and House Intelligence Committees, Senator Dianne Feinstein and Representative Mike Rogers, have appeared to echo this threat, as have prominent foreign-policy commentators such as Alan Dershowitz and Marc Thiessen.He also highlights the infamous UK detention of Greenwald's partner, David Miranda. And then asks the basic question of whether or not the US government will agree that Greenwald can enter his own country without arrest for the crime of "journalism the government doesn't like."
I regard this as regrettable, because: (1) the commission of journalism is not a crime; (2) on the contrary, it is protected explicitly under the First Amendment; and (3) Mr. Greenwald's reports regarding these subjects have, in fact, informed me, other Members of Congress, and the general public of serious, pervasive violations of law and constitutional rights committed by agents of the government.It's a sad and shameful comment on the state of the US government today that this question needs to be asked, no matter what the eventual answer is. We've strayed very very far from the ideals that this country is supposed to embrace.
Bearing in mind that Mr. Greenwald is a citizen of the United States, please let me know: (1) whether the Department of Justice intends to bring charges against Mr. Greenwald, and (2) should Mr. Greenwald seek to enter the United States, whether the Department of Justice, the Department of Homeland Security, or any other office of the federal government intends to detain, question, arrest, or prosecute Mr. Greenwald, or to monitor or interfere in any way with his entry into or movement within the United States.
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1ar·rest
transitive verb \ə-ˈrest\
: to use the power of the law to take and keep (someone, such as a criminal)
: to stop the progress or movement of (something)
: to attract and hold the attention of (someone or something)
If a cop attempts to pull you over and you flee, you are charged with resisting arrest even though there is no warrant. Detaining you such that you are not free to leave IS an arrest whether there is a warrant or not.
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but he is also in the amen chorus for israel-no-matter-what church, to mix metaphors and religions in one fell swoop...
i give him credit for daring to rock the boat some, as long as zionist issues aren't at stake...
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Pointless
Of course, he'd probably still get scooped up for questioning with regards to Snowden. Greenwald is better off ignoring the answer and treating US authorities as hostile.
Basically, this is a form of theater that, handled correctly, could help push back against abuses directed towards journalists. However, it is unlikely the DOJ will comply or even respond.
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Hmm. I regard this as grandstanding. Presumes wouldn't just sent a hit squad.
Greenwald stirs up controversy that lets the now many outright fascists openly call for blood, and the usual about third of the populace is with them (as sometimes evidenced here). -- IF Greenwald were actually seriously damaging the interests of the criminal corporatocracy now in DC, then it's hardly a stretch to suppose that he'd be murdered. Not difficult to do without too explicit of evidence. With some criminals in Congress openly calling for starting to bomb the entire nation of Iran without even bothering to fabricate an excuse, it's minor matter to send a hit squad after one man. That's the kind of new world order we're under.
But Greenwald's lucrative "once in a career" new job will likely sidetrack him in a way that the public will accept without notice. And that's whether it's explicit buy-off or not. By time his book comes out next year, this NSA flap will likely have run its course, one way or another. For example, we may have a new and very hot war with Iran for distraction, providing new excuse for endless surveillance.
In any case, the LACK of new pieces from Greenwald has removed him from play. He's supposedly been handed tons of information but is sifting it to make sure no harm comes to the agents of the surveillance state. -- As if that should be a concern when the rights of billions are violated. -- And how does Greenwald decide that, and why should he? -- At best, he's put himself in position of helping the state.
Don't believe anything about this NSA flap until people are actually in jail for known crimes.
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Re: Hmm. I regard this as grandstanding. Presumes wouldn't just sent a hit squad.
Though I disagree with the premise. The NSA leaks are stirring up too much trouble for the US to be worth whatever gains can be extracted from them.
Allies are angry and deals are already being cancelled. These leaks will have a strong impact in the economy of the US in the long term because the economy of the US is strongly reliant on Intellectual Property - Intellectual Property which people will be increasingly weary of. It will also be incredibly hard to gain worldwide support for another war.
Whatever short term gains such a PsyOp could have don't justify the long term damage it has caused. I am inclined to believe, based on the evidence, that Occam's Razor is in effect here: the simplest explanation is the correct one.
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> Whatever short term gains such a PsyOp could have don't justify the long term damage it has caused.
The government doesn't always act it its best long-term interests. This danger can be exacerbated by secretive organizations enacting plans because they do not have the benefit of reasoned discourse among all relevant stakeholders, nor access to some of the most apt philosophical arguments (for or against) and strategic sociopolitical thinking. Or, in short, closeted committees conduce circlejerky conceptions.
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Re: Hmm. I regard this as grandstanding. Presumes wouldn't just sent a hit squad.
2. It is likely this is going to take some time as the abuses by the NSA are VAST, have run unchecked for decades, and they are firmly entrenched with considerable power and force behind them. This is not a battle that can be won quickly, so the idea that "this NSA flap will likely have run its course" any time soon is highly unlikely.
3. What separates Greenwald (and the other journalists reporting on this) from their counterparts in government (and thus gives them credibility over their counterparts) is that they don't have a "ends justify the means" mentality which is EXACTLY why it is still a concern even "when the rights of billions are violated." It is always easier to fight from the high ground.
4. I seriously suspect that Greenwald's new venture had less to do with money and more to do with being free to pursue the stories he wanted to in the way he wanted to pursue him without being subject to other means of control. Just look at the calls in the UK being made to reign in the journalists over these matters. Writing for the Guardian he has less ability to control over the matter should the management decide to acquiesce.
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Through these programmes they have all of your personal information and they just need to interpret it in such a way as to create a criminal, so technically Greenwald may not be arrested for the Snowden leaks but arrested nonetheless.
What was once innocent until proven guilty is now innocent until an inconvenience.
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The man's a liar with zero credibility, like most in government. You cannot take him at his word.
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Over Snowden, No....
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Barely a start
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