Canadian Cop Puts On An Impromptu Clinic On How To Deal With Critics And Cameras

from the timcushinglovescops.com dept

timcushinghatescops.com brings you the following special holiday message:

When I call out law enforcement officers for brutality, excessive force, moral turpitude and a general contempt for citizens' rights, it's not because I think all cops are bad. In fact, I know the job is often thankless and unpleasant. Many officers only deal with the kind of people we all hope we'll never run into, and they do it day after day. Even when a cop does his or her job well, there's a chance he or she will be criticized for any perceived missteps. (Quite possibly by me...)

When I cover stories of police misconduct, it's not because I believe that the mindset and actions on display are present in a majority of law enforcement officers. I don't think it is. The problem is that it's still far too prevalent and will only increase as long as cops are shielded by other officers, supervisors and friends in the judicial system. Law enforcement members wield a great deal of power with very little accountability.

But not all cops are bad cops, just like all cops aren't saints. But underneath it all, they're all human beings dealing with the day-to-day rigors of a job most people would never take.

Via Photography Is Not A Crime comes this video of a Canadian cop, Mark Morelli, who makes the best of what could easily have become a bad situation -- an arrest featuring several onlookers with cameras and one very uncooperative suspect. How does he keep this from becoming something more in line with the stories I usually cover? Watch. (The first 4:30 is the arrest. What follows after that is worth sticking around for.)


There's nothing more powerful than using your position and experience to inform, and to do so patiently in the face of vocal critics. The only one who comes off as a jerk is the cameraman, who is so "disturbed" by what he's seeing that he wants to go back inside where it's warmer.

The suspect knows there's an audience and that fact undoubtedly colors her performance. (And it is a performance -- at 3:07 she adjusts her hair with her handcuffed hands, almost unleashes a smile and then returns to making a whole lot of noise.)

Morelli should be held up as an example for other officers all over his nation and ours (meaning the US in this case, but feel free to apply it to your own). Rather than view onlookers "armed" with cameras as an enemy, he treats them as a simple fact of life. The job of policing is no longer private or purely subject to opinionated eyewitness accounts.

Cameras can be a cop's best friend, even when wielded by antagonistic onlookers. Morelli seizes the opportunity afforded by this recording to explain what he's done, why he did it and all without tossing out threats or condescension. He exits the situation gracefully, having gained the respect of most of the viewers. That's how you "win" at being a cop. Communication -- communication that asserts authority without using it as a weapon. "These are the facts." "This is what I do." It's professionalism at its best.

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  1. icon
    Gothenem (profile), 13 Dec 2013 @ 6:35am

    Police officers like this need to be sent to various PD's across the country (I am Canadian) and teach others how to deal with cameras in public.

    This is an officer who kept his cool throughout, and did his job properly. Like you, Tim, I tend to rail on bad police officers, and live in an area where we have had several incidents in the past few years. That said, most police officers are hard-working and good, honest people who (I hope) would react the same way this officer did.

    Well done Officer Morelli. Keep up the good work, we appreciate officers like you. You are the kind of police officer that we want to keep us safe!!

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    silverscarcat (profile), 13 Dec 2013 @ 6:44am

    One thing I'm glad about, the officer there, and he's someone I would call an officer of the law, not a thug, said that "I can't go into great detail because she deserves some privacy, as do the victims of her crime".

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    Ninja (profile), 13 Dec 2013 @ 7:21am

    *slow clap*

    This video has to be shown to every single cop out there. The man filing is a moron, anyone can see they are trying to do their best not to hurt her and constantly ask her in a very reasonable tonne to stop resisting for her own good.

    I'm guessing that part of the cameraman reaction is exactly due to the things Tim exposed from the start. Cases of abuse have become so common that people got conditioned to loathe law enforcement. There's also a conflation of the abuses in the Govt level and the street level. Sometimes the cops are at the mercy of a corrupt Executive too.

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    arkiel (profile), 13 Dec 2013 @ 8:08am

    Great, now I have another video to add to my 'good cops' folder. The only other video in there is the one where the policeman gets climbed by an aggressive kitten and doesn't totally lose his shit.

    Yep. Two videos.

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    Anonymous Coward, 13 Dec 2013 @ 8:16am

    A good LEO yes but instead of being sure whether or not the girl actually needed medical attention he decided inform the public about the jobs they are doing for the public ..

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    That Anonymous Coward (profile), 13 Dec 2013 @ 8:21am

    It is rather amazing that even with the peanut gallery, he keeps his cool and does his job.

    I enjoyed the well other cops don't follow the law blah blah blah, but it is very clear that gentleman doesn't understand the law and just wants to place some blame for injustices that someone most likely told him about rather than first hand experience.

    What I saw was a professional doing a difficult job made more difficult by people who wanted something to upload to prove their preconceptions, and they got something entirely different no matter how many times they interrupted him and tried to make it seem much worse than what everyone could clearly see.

    Well done Officer Mark Morelli, hopefully your professional behavior can become the rule rather than what seems to be the exception.

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  7. identicon
    Anonymous Coward, 13 Dec 2013 @ 8:32am

    Re:

    It's amazing how much prolonged screaming she could do for someone that "couldn't breathe."

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  8. icon
    John Fenderson (profile), 13 Dec 2013 @ 8:36am

    timcushinglovescops.com

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    Pragmatic, 13 Dec 2013 @ 8:37am

    It really is good to see a cop doing his job well AND making the most of an opportunity to make lemonade out of a lemon situation. He could have been aggressive, but he wasn't. He could have tried to arrest the onlookers, some of whom were giving him a lot of flak, but he didn't. Instead, knowing this would end up on the internet, he created a moment that made a shining example of how to get it right. I'm impressed.

    I'm also pleased it came up on TD, as it's sometimes accused of being anti-cop. This proves it's not.

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  10. identicon
    Anonymous Coward, 13 Dec 2013 @ 8:38am

    Gotta love Canada.

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  11. identicon
    Anonymous Coward, 13 Dec 2013 @ 8:39am

    Re:

    I would counter that with the fact that the arrestee struggled for four minutes (possibly with the aim of attracting negative publicity against the police). That officer should be lauded, because he was calm throughout the whole situation.

    Contrast this with the Thomas case in the US, and you will understand why most of the people here are saying that that officer is a police officer, rather than a sanctioned thug.

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  12. identicon
    Chuck, 13 Dec 2013 @ 8:42am

    Re:

    timcushinglovesgoodcops.com

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  13. identicon
    Anonymous Coward, 13 Dec 2013 @ 8:46am

    I hope those good cops realise that even though it is annoying and exhausting to get watched and filmed, they can never blame the public... even the ones as annoying as the cameraman. The really good cop would look at all the episodes there have been and hopefully realise that there is an actual problem and blame the bad cops for the current state.

    In this case, the girl was moving so much around that right at that moment I think it was clear that she didn't need immediate medical help.
    This was a prime example of a good arrest and people often forget how much of a struggle even a small woman can put up... an elbow to the face, a broken finger or a finger to the eye is so easy to get, and if they had to treat her like a docile girl they would have to go to the hospital. Like all of us, even with their work, they can't sacrifice themselves every day and no matter what the cameraman and onlookers are saying, they can't just let someone go when they struggle a bit... for all we or they know, she could be a murderer or arsonist.

    There is a line though. Excessive force is never okay and the people who misuse the trust they are given, should be punished severely. This was not one of those cases in my opinion, no matter how much that woman screamed.

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  14. identicon
    Anonymous Coward, 13 Dec 2013 @ 8:47am

    You know if every officer acted like that guy cellphone cams would be worthless.

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  15. identicon
    Anonymous Coward, 13 Dec 2013 @ 8:47am

    Doing what you're expected to do is a sign of being good.

    Every oncei n a while, going just a little bit beyond is a sign of excellence.

    This was a sign of excellence. Bravo to this man.

    link to this | view in thread ]

  16. icon
    John Fenderson (profile), 13 Dec 2013 @ 8:52am

    Re: Re:

    Better. :)

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    justok (profile), 13 Dec 2013 @ 8:55am

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    justok (profile), 13 Dec 2013 @ 8:56am

    Re:

    Pretty sick beating

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    Anonymous Coward, 13 Dec 2013 @ 8:56am

    One of the one percent that makes the rest look good. Well done.

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    out_of_the_blue, 13 Dec 2013 @ 8:57am

    Oh, the WORST psychopaths perform well for audiences.

    ACTING ABILITY is basically required to be a top politician. For example: go into the House of Representatives and claim a country that hasn't attacked us is an imminent threat and needs to be bombed back to the Stone Age. -- So I wouldn't put too much credence in this one performance, especially not when clearly used for publicity. -- If you're not cynical ALL the time, kids, you won't be when it's necessary.

    You've found the site of Internet Quipper Mike "Streisand Effect" Masnick! -- As you'll frequently be reminded!

    04:56:38[f-137-2]

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  21. icon
    Gwiz (profile), 13 Dec 2013 @ 9:05am

    Re: Oh, the WORST psychopaths perform well for audiences.

    You really make me laugh sometimes Blue.


    It was just last week you accused me of this:

    "Substance" and "on-topic" being two concepts that you cannot grasp, instead just blather. Source

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  22. icon
    Gwiz (profile), 13 Dec 2013 @ 9:07am

    Re: Re: Oh, the WORST psychopaths perform well for audiences.

    Whoops. That was actually earlier this week.

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  23. icon
    Rapnel (profile), 13 Dec 2013 @ 9:11am

    Gosh

    It's a good thing she wasn't holding a puppy.

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  24. icon
    Spaceman Spiff (profile), 13 Dec 2013 @ 9:21am

    Normally...

    Normally, I think most police officers are self-serving dickheads. This guy was just awesome, and should be the chief of his department! He had to arrest that woman, and he did it with the least force he could exert, and then had the presence of mind to explain his actions to the gathered crowd. Kudos officer (whose name I do not know)!

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  25. icon
    Chronno S. Trigger (profile), 13 Dec 2013 @ 9:23am

    Re:

    She was putting on a show long before she knew she was being recorded. I saw that in the first 5 seconds of the video, the cop saw that even before the video started. She was intentionally screaming and acting out to draw this exact kind of attention.

    Anyone with first aid experience will tell you that if someone is screaming "I can't breath" they can breath just fine. It stems from: if the subject is coughing, do not perform the Heimlich Maneuver. By extension, if the suspect is screaming "I can't breath" then the cop can continue the arrest.

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  26. icon
    Deranged Poster (profile), 13 Dec 2013 @ 9:24am

    Re:

    Doing what you're expected and paid to do isn't a sign of being good,or excellence it's a sign of being normal, and doing what you're paid to do.

    This video should be NORMAL, I wonder if this cop still defends the actions of the other ones out their though?

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  27. identicon
    Anonymous Coward, 13 Dec 2013 @ 9:28am

    Re: Re:

    Cops don't have to explain themselves to the public when conducting an arrest.

    He took the time to do so, that is excellence.

    And doing what you're expected to do is difficult. It's very hard to live up to all the rules and expectations put on you in any job. Just meeting those expectations I would say is uncommon, how many people REALLY meet all the expectations of their job?

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  28. identicon
    Anonymous Coward, 13 Dec 2013 @ 9:33am

    I'm sorry, did anyone laugh at the theatrics going on? "What are you doing to meeeeee! I can't BREEEEEEEATHE!" *sounds of air whooshing in and out of her lungs*

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  29. icon
    John Fenderson (profile), 13 Dec 2013 @ 9:44am

    Re: Re: Re:

    how many people REALLY meet all the expectations of their job?


    In my decades of experience in a professional work environment, I'd say about 85% of them.

    link to this | view in thread ]

  30. identicon
    Baron von Robber, 13 Dec 2013 @ 10:06am

    Nice cop

    Back in my ancient past, I was playing at a party in a residential area. We played in the backyard and it wasn't totally unexpected that the police arrived in forces (about 100 partiers, and around 12 cops, semi-riot geared). They shouted "Party over, everybody out!" One female cop yelled at the band, "Pack up or we are taking you & your equipment!"
    I was winding up my guitar chord and asked politely, "What is it that we did wrong?"
    She yelled, "Pack it or you're under arrest!"
    I said, "No, no. I mean what infraction did we cause, so that next time we don't do it again."
    She was taken aback, like I had tased her with my words.
    She said calmly, "No live music within 150ft of a residence"
    "Oh, Ok. Thanks" I replied with a smile.
    She smiled back.

    She was cute too, wish I had invited her to the party.

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    Anonymous Coward, 13 Dec 2013 @ 10:12am

    For the last time, people. Santa Claus is NOT Canadian.

    --US State Dept.

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  32. icon
    Watchit (profile), 13 Dec 2013 @ 10:22am

    Re: Re:

    indeed, to yell that long and hard while being unable to breath, well she must have the lung capacity of an elephant!

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  33. icon
    Watchit (profile), 13 Dec 2013 @ 10:27am

    Re: Oh, the WORST psychopaths perform well for audiences.

    "the WORST psychopaths perform well for audiences."

    soooo, you're talking about the lady getting arrested right? That she'd be a good politician? I'm so confused.

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  34. identicon
    Anonymous Coward, 13 Dec 2013 @ 10:41am

    Re:

    Did you see her popping her head out the door looking at the cameras? She was looking for attention but it was not medical attention.

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  35. icon
    Mike Masnick (profile), 13 Dec 2013 @ 10:46am

    Re:

    Great, now I have another video to add to my 'good cops' folder. The only other video in there is the one where the policeman gets climbed by an aggressive kitten and doesn't totally lose his shit.

    Yep. Two videos.


    Here's one more. Also from Tim Cushing.

    http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20110725/17451715249/how-should-law-enforcement-handle-bein g-filmed-officer-lyons-provides-perfect-example.shtml

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  36. identicon
    Jasmine Charter, 13 Dec 2013 @ 10:51am

    Kudos

    Kudos to him. It's a shame more cops aren't as open minded.

    I know having a thankless job for a long period of time can leave one bitter, but in the end, respect is rarely given but often earned. If they want respect... they need to act in a respectful manner as this one did.

    Hiding or trying to silence critics just gives their accusations or assertions credence.

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  37. identicon
    MrWilson, 13 Dec 2013 @ 10:55am

    Re: Oh, the WORST psychopaths perform well for audiences.

    "If you're not cynical ALL the time, kids, you won't be when it's necessary."

    So, being as consistent as you are with your assertions of your ideals, you don't mind that we'll always be cynical of your messages and the motivations behind them. Good to know.

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    Anonymous Coward, 13 Dec 2013 @ 11:10am

    Re: Re:

    Can you post a list of all the Tim Cushing bad cop stories too?

    Oh wait, that could take hours.

    So if the bad cop to good cop article ratio here is like 50:1, we're supposed to think that not only are most cops bad, but by an absurdly large ratio.

    Which is, of course, horse shit. Like pretty much everything on this Google-funded site.

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  39. identicon
    Anonymous Coward, 13 Dec 2013 @ 11:31am

    Re: Re: Re:

    People who do their job are not noticed, as that is what we expect them to do. We don't pat people on the back for doing their jobs satisfactorily.

    Mistakes are noticed and should be noticed in order to be corrected.

    The ratio is irrelevent.

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  40. identicon
    Anonymous Coward, 13 Dec 2013 @ 11:35am

    Canadian police and in general law enforcement appear to be more controlled there.

    Different from the US which beats everyone else in number of firearms discharged and kill rate for suspects and criminals in the industrialized world.


    http://www.theweek.co.uk/crime/46907/us-police-fire-more-bullets-month-germans-use-year

    Are Americans angrier than other peoples?

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  41. identicon
    Anonymous Coward, 13 Dec 2013 @ 11:40am

    http://www.theweek.co.uk/crime/46907/us-police-fire-more-bullets-month-germans-use-year

    In the US the cops would have fired on the crowd, called for reinforcements and SWAT teams, while tasing everybody.

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  42. icon
    DOlz (profile), 13 Dec 2013 @ 11:42am

    Re:

    "The only other video in there is the one where the policeman gets climbed by an aggressive kitten and doesn't totally lose his shit. "

    Could you please post a link to this video?

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  43. identicon
    Anonymous Coward, 13 Dec 2013 @ 11:54am

    Re: Re: Re:

    A cop doing his job properly does not make for a viral video on youtube.

    A thug cop doing everything wrong is what makes for viral videos.

    link to this | view in thread ]

  44. identicon
    Rekrul, 13 Dec 2013 @ 12:48pm

    Several years ago, I was flipping channels when I came across a "Cops" type show filmed in Canada. A fairly hostile guy was demanding to be given a cop's (mountie's?) badge number. The cop calmly and repeated said that he wasn't going to give it to him. The guy ranted on for several minutes, continuously demanding the cop's badge number. The cop remained calm and eventually told the guy that if he didn't stop harassing him and leave, he'd be arrested. The guy grumbled for a couple more minutes before finally leaving.

    An American cop would have endured about 20 seconds of that before pulling out his taser.

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  45. identicon
    Anonymous Coward, 13 Dec 2013 @ 12:53pm

    Re: Tazer? Threatening to report is a firing offense (literally....)

    Threaten to report a cop in the US and try to get the information to do so and you would be lucky to walk away from the incident.


    Felony interference in a cop's business is an actionable offense to more of those hiding behind the "blue line" than it should be.

    /s

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    Anonymous Coward, 13 Dec 2013 @ 1:38pm

    I think that they should've arrested the Camera guy for RESISTING EXPLANATION!!! kudos! mr. police officer.

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  47. identicon
    PRMan, 13 Dec 2013 @ 2:14pm

    Re:

    Most people wouldn't post a video if it turned out to be good. Fortunately for Officer Morelli, the guy filming is so dense as to not realize what a good job he did.

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  48. identicon
    Anonymous Coward, 13 Dec 2013 @ 6:18pm

    Re: Re: Re:

    Looks like someone just hates it when due process is enforced.

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  49. icon
    JMT (profile), 13 Dec 2013 @ 6:27pm

    Re: Re: Re:

    "So if the bad cop to good cop article ratio here is like 50:1, we're supposed to think that not only are most cops bad, but by an absurdly large ratio."

    If you are a very dim-witted person with no critical thinking skills then yes you are likely to think like that. You certainly appear to be in a small minority though, and the rest of us pity you.

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  50. icon
    JMT (profile), 13 Dec 2013 @ 6:32pm

    Re: Re:

    "Anyone with first aid experience will tell you that if someone is screaming "I can't breath" they can breath just fine."

    Actually I'd say that anyone who knows how to breath could tell you that. As soon as she screamed those words her credibility was out the window and I knew she was lying through her teeth about the 'injuries' she was supposedly suffering.

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  51. icon
    JMT (profile), 13 Dec 2013 @ 6:35pm

    Re: Oh, the WORST psychopaths perform well for audiences.

    "Oh, the WORST psychopaths perform well for audiences"

    And we all watched her perform. What's your point?

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  52. icon
    JMT (profile), 13 Dec 2013 @ 6:47pm

    Re:

    "...people often forget how much of a struggle even a small woman can put up...

    I was getting a bit pissed off with the guy doing the recording repeatedly exclaiming "she's just a girl!", even when he could see the officer was physically exhausted after he finally got her into the car. That matters how exactly?

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  53. identicon
    Anonymous Coward, 14 Dec 2013 @ 12:29am

    Re: Re:

    That is exactly my point. I think you have to be very good at your job in these cases to not cause injury or be injured. Then think about cases where drugs are involved and the perpetrator can't feel pain.
    I still think that misuse of the trust given is a serious offense, but we got to remember that even with all the bad examples out there, if every single of them were in different precincts, it would still leave a lot of good ones. It is hard for Joe ordinary officer in one precinct to do something about another precinct; that is the job for the chiefs.

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  54. identicon
    Anonymous Coward, 14 Dec 2013 @ 6:20am

    One of the better ones

    I have to say these Hamilton Wentworth Police Officers did it right. They arrested the perp, did it without using excessive force and didn't lose their cool when faced with dozens of people shooting video and uploading it to youtube.

    As many people noted if this had been a police officer in a major US city the tazers would have been drawn, there would be casualties and lawsuits.

    As many people haven't noted if this had been the PRC (where the police don't carry firearms), Vietnam or Myanmar the people holding the cameras would have been severely beaten, dragged off to jail and if by mischance they survived the ordeal, summarily executed. Ditto for N Korea-except the newest Great Leader uses them for artillery practice.

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  55. icon
    The Wanderer (profile), 14 Dec 2013 @ 8:03am

    Re:

    For what it's worth, having watched the video, it seems easily possible to me that she could have honestly felt she couldn't breathe, even though she actually could.

    I concur that a lot of what she did and said seems to have been theatrics, but I'm not sure all of it was. Even if we assume she was entirely innocent, she certainly didn't handle the situation as well as she could have; at the very least, if she was in as much pain as her screams indicated, there would have been much better ways to convey exactly what was wrong and even potentially get accommodation for that (without halting the arrest).

    I don't think the cop handled this perfectly either, despite the relatively hostile audience; for example, it would have been better to have explained what he meant by saying "she was resisting" (with specific examples), rather than simply asserting it as fact. Nonetheless, he certainly handled the fact of the cameras very well, and maintained a commendable attitude in the face of sustained hostility.


    I support the right of anyone to resist an unlawful or otherwise illegitimate arrest, and I think there's room to argue for the right of anyone to resist any arrest. There are problems with that idea, however, not least among them the almost inevitable consequences - both of making that a policy, and of choosing to exercise that right - in escalation in use of force.

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  56. identicon
    btr1701, 14 Dec 2013 @ 3:29pm

    Re: Re:

    > I support the right of anyone to resist an unlawful or
    > otherwise illegitimate arrest, and I think there's room to
    > argue for the right of anyone to resist any arrest.

    Wow, so you think, for example, that after murdering a dozen or so people in that Aurora movie theater, James Holmes also had the right to resist being arrested for it?

    Sometimes the shit people say is unbelievable.

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  57. icon
    Christopher (profile), 14 Dec 2013 @ 4:26pm

    I hate this video.

    You know why the officer was "exhausted" trying to arrest this woman? Because he wasn't allowed to wrench those arms back, and cuff her behind her back properly. Asshole amateur cop watchers took away batons and PR-24s, the best tools for compliance and non-lethal adjustments.

    Resist arrest, get a punch in the face. Don't like it? Don't resist. He was acting for the camera just like the asshole he was arresting. Make no mistake, police are there to ensure societal compliance. Your active resistance earns a greater response, so YOU calm the fuck down and you won't get a smack.

    Ridiculous.

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  58. identicon
    Anonymous Coward, 14 Dec 2013 @ 5:47pm

    Re: I hate this video.

    Yet he seems to have managed to do his job in arresting her despite her resistance, without needing anything extra. Or are you saying that police should beat their suspects a bit to save themselves some work, so they don't get 'exhausted'?

    Maybe there are times when batons or other tools are necessary. But this video isn't showing such a time, and I'll take the police having to work a bit harder to make an arrest over the potential injury of a suspect because of a bludgeoning or tasering where it isn't required any day.

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  59. icon
    That One Guy (profile), 14 Dec 2013 @ 10:00pm

    Re: I hate this video.

    '...compliance and non-lethal adjustments.'

    'Adjustments', right, so that's aggressive cop speak for 'beating someone with a club', the rest of us just call it assault or beating someone up.

    Were I to be generous, I'd say you're over-trained, but judging by your statement that it's okay to punch someone in the face, as long as they're 'resisting', I get the feeling you're one of those cops no-one wants to run into, ever, just in case you're in a bad mood that day and feel like taking it out on them.

    Just a bit of friendly advice, but the idea of 'Yeah I punched/beat/tased/pepper sprayed him, but it's okay because he deserved it'... that is the kind of thinking that causes people to hate and distrust police.

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    Anonymous Coward, 15 Dec 2013 @ 10:14pm

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    out_of_the_blue just can't stand it when due process is enforced.

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    The Wanderer (profile), 16 Dec 2013 @ 10:54am

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    I've never heard of James Holmes,but assuming he did what you say, that would be an example of - as I cited - one of the potential problems with the idea.

    Note also that I said "there's room to argue for the right of anyone to resist any arrest". That does not mean my mind is settled on the question.

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    j, 18 Dec 2013 @ 7:59am

    Good for him

    When I have been witness to situations like this, I almost always pull out my camera. I figure that it's common decency to create a visual record in case either the cops _or_ the person being arrested get out of line. That said, I'm usually too afraid to do so overtly. It's encouraging to an officer handle this so well despite the antagonism he received from the bystanders.

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    Anonymous Coward, 9 Mar 2020 @ 7:50pm

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    out_of_the_blue just hates it when due process is enforced.

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