EU's Advocate-General Says Dutch Allowing Unauthorized Downloads Is Incompatible With European Copyright Law
from the that's-awkward dept
Back in 2012, Ben Zevenbergen wrote a long piece exploring a complicated Dutch case that had been referred to the Court of Justice of the European Union, the EU's highest court. It concerned the home-copying exception of European copyright legislation, and hinged on the question of whether the Dutch collecting society could charge for the "losses" that result from people downloading both authorized and unauthorized uploads. That distinction needs to be made, since in the Netherlands downloading copyright material is permitted, but uploading it is not. Manufacturers of blank media claimed that they should only have to pay a lower copyright levy that covered just the downloads of legally-uploaded materials.
As is usual in cases sent to the Court of Justice, the EU's Advocate-General (AG) gives an opinion first. Although not binding, that opinion is usually indicative, and rarely ignored. Here's what the Advocate General P. Cruz Villalón has said in this case, as reported by the Future of Copyright site:
The AG notes that the reasoning of the Dutch government has its origin in the fact that the Dutch law tolerates that unauthorized work or material is downloaded from illegal sources and only uploads can be curbed. "Thus the Kingdom of the Netherlands supports indirectly but inevitably, the mass distribution of products resulting from an illegal exploitation of protected works and materials", which, according to Villalon, cannot be regarded as normal. "The trivialization of downloading content that circulates online without proper authorization […] undermines the normal exploitation". This practice is not compatible with the basic idea of EU copyright law, in which it is established that copyright holders are entitled to fair compensation, said Villalón. Furthermore, the AG is of the opinion that current levy rates on empty media carriers are too low to generate a fair compensation.
On that basis, he advised the court to hold that copyright levies should not be allowed on unauthorized downloads. That's a win for the blank media manufacturers, but the Advocate-General's comments about the Dutch approach to filesharing being incompatible with EU copyright law will be problematic for the Netherlands if the Court of Justice agrees.
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levies are the end solution
and i had idea you have a net vote and put 5 guys on a council and let 4 seats by industry and then they can vote on implementation and cost.
keeps the power to the people ideal...
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The answer is neither. They want the right to sell their product and not have everyone just take a copy like it's nothing, that's all.
If you want the product, pay for the product. If you don't want the product at the price offered, live without it. You have no inalienable right to be entertained.
If there is a business model for giving stuff away, people would be doing it already. It works in some ways for phone apps, but it doesn't seem to work very well on a bigger scale for music and particularly movies. So far most of what we see is the rich getting richer, and the guys who were in the middle to lower ranks sharing a smaller pie with much more competition - including their own products for free.
It's not a happy situation for anyone.
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Don't allow downloading Unauthorized content
Hollywood cannot even determine whether something is unauthorized. The right hand uploads promotional videos while the left hand takes them down. An artist uploads authorized promotional materials and hollywood takes them down. Someone uploads birds chirping and Hollywood takes it down, and doubles down saying yes it is copyright infringement.
Something may also be clearly, unmistakably fair use and Hollywood is unable to make a reasonable determination of whether it is fair use.
So how exactly is an ISP to know if something is fair use? (Extra credit: how is Google to know if something is fair use?)
With the Internet now getting more secure and with more and more encryption, there will be another question to ask soon. How can an ISP even know what you are downloading? Or even if what you are doing is downloading vs some other activity that sends packets to your computer? (And why would it be any of their business?)
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So much for "I made it, so I own it." Yet the maximalists' whining continues unabated.
Hollywood wants fair use to ONLY apply to them, but ding the rest of us for every beat and syllable. If Chris Dodd recited the Pledge of Allegiance, I'd check it twice.
We need fair use and the public domain, and we need to get away from our obsession with applying property rights to everything, particularly culture and ideas.
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Yet again, minion and pirates surprised by copyright law.
My work here is nearly done: copyright law is being upheld throught US and EU. -- I'll always favor producers of CRAP over those low enough to steal CRAP! -- Mike and his shrinking band of pirates are down to where they're cheering vulgar words instead of at all able to deal with topic.
Thanks to all the vile kids above who show Techdirt's true level of discourse!
Keep perspective, kids: Megaupload is not the leading edge of new content delivery modes, it's just trailing edge of theft from the old producers who are well justified in stomping out piracy.
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So much for "I made it, so I own it."
Did you read the piece or just the little pirate's loony notions? -- Bet you're unable to grasp the stilted language.
"The trivialization of downloading content that circulates online without proper authorization […] undermines the normal exploitation". -- That means piracy or sharing is stealing and is prohibited by simple morality that says rewards and even the possiblity of gaining rewards is rightfully solely for the creator.
"EU copyright law, in which it is established that copyright holders are entitled to fair compensation," -- That means they made it, therefore they own it, and are entitled to get whatever money comes from it.
Basic incomprehension of "I made it therefore I own it" is the rule at Techdirt because they're just piratey fanboy kids wanting to steal mindless entertainments. I'm forced to side with the producers of content, odious as they are.
If Mike supports copyright, why are the pirates here? They take him same as I do: PRO-PIRACY!
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Re: Yet again, minion and pirates surprised by copyright law.
By which token the RIAA and MPAA, to name just two, would not own anything either, since they make absolutely nothing and just take from artists.
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The Advocate-General is an idiot who does not know the Law
Now, just about every copyright law on earth is about this. Except the german one, they recently included a paragraph where they made "downloads from an illegally published source" illegal. Which is of course an epitome of stupidity, because no one except a judge can tell whether something was "illegally published".
Of course, nowhere in the http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copyright_law_of_the_European_Union (which is actually a series of directives aimed at harmonizing the laws of the different countries), there is anything written about "receiving". So this Advocate-General obviously don't know his law.
Furthermore of course, everyone is a copyright holder. I have a blog, I post photographs on the internet, thus a lot of what I am doing is copyright protected. Now, what happens if you download a picture of a cute cat from the internet, which somebody put up there, without having it made himself? If the AGs view of the law was only remotely correct? Yep, copyright violation. Because nobody ever gave you an explicit permission. In fact, if the AG were right, we'd find hundreds if not thousands of files (especially emails!) on his computer which would constitute a copyright violation according to his own misinterpretation of the law. I could even make him break the law by e-mailing him something which I do not have the necessary publishing rights for. Ridiculous.
Or let's take another angle: How do I now some TV-station has the necessary rights to show a movie that was obviously made by someone else? Do they need to publish all the contracts they have with the movie studio? Because if they don't everyone can call "copyright violation". And the movie studios, do they need to publish all contracts with the people that actually made the movie, because otherwise anyone can call them for "copyright violation"? It's probably not what the AG was thinking of, which just shows he wasn't probably thinking at all...
In other words, its totally, completely, utterly impossible to know if _anything_ is "legally published". Yes, it's possible for the copyright-holder to recognize his own work, and then for a judge to decide whether that claim has any merit. But before that happens, nobody can really know.
And that is the reason, (most) copyright laws are not about the receiving but only the publishing end.
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If the artist made it, shouldn't he or she be the one who owns it, by your own warped standard, and assuming for the moment the idea that all new works are created in a vacuum and are therefore completely original?
Except that we've established that copyright holders and artists are often completely different people. Work for hire, anyone? What happens after the death of the artist? Should the copyright not die with him or her as their descendants, etc. haven't made the item in question?
Cognitive dissonance, much? I see you are unable to grasp the simple language of my esteemed fellow poster DannyB.
You're not "FORCED" to side with anyone, you're just so deluded in your fantasies of class warfare and property rights on ideas that you end up being funnelled into your current position. Just admit you can't make money from selling copies of your work because you have no fans to make it from. End of problem, as you'll then be able to see things our way.
Which, of course, is the problem: your gigantic ego won't allow it.
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Re: Yet again, minion and pirates surprised by copyright law.
Notice that at no point does she mention the artists as the beneficiaries of the copyright income, but the "owner," who is, more often than not, NOT the creator.
Thanks to the vile OOTB for revealing her true, odious colors
Pirates actually do more to ensure that artists are compensated than their so-called representative agencies
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Or, or, now bare with me here
"EU's Dutch Says EU's Advocate-Generals Stance And Actions On Allowing Unauthorized Downloads Is Incompatible With Basic.Human.Right"
just saying.
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While I was reading that part the only thing that popped in my mind was "[citation needed]". There was a report recently that stated the Beatles were the most pirated artists in the world (http://www.nme.com/news/the-beatles/73713). With a sane copyright duration, those songs would be public domain. In fact, I haven't seen much work coming from the Beatles recently. So far for continued incentives. Also, there have been studies that show that pirates buy *more* music, not less (http://www.techhive.com/article/2012121/pirates-buy-more-music-than-legal-downloaders-study-shows.h tml). Bye bye economic argument.
No it does not. It means they are entitled to fair compensation, not that they get to dictate how it's used, consumed, and distributed forever. If other people can find a way to make money from it, cheers to them, as long as the original creator gets a fair compensation, not every single dime.
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Oh, fun! A naked party!!
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Levies and Dykes
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(OK if I plan to plagiarize it shamelessly?)
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Re: Yet again, minion and pirates surprised by copyright law.
You came to Hollywood in the 60s to be an actress, but the only work you could get was in porn, and not the classy sort of porn, but the sort that cannot get copyright protection in Germany.
That would explain your inability to understand technology, and the love you have for Hollywood and porn producers. Why you sympathise with the scum of the earth. (Lawyers, bankers and the rest of the fraudsters)
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But it requires a hefty collection agency to handle all the monies, which is good I guess.. After all, it creates jobs, no?
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