Law Enforcement Is Not About Generating Revenue: Speed Trap And Booking Fee Edition
from the petty-cash-for-petty-people dept
People "ruining" speed traps by warning oncoming drivers usually results in some sort of interdiction by law enforcement. In most cases, what the citizen is doing isn't actually illegal, but that usually doesn't stop the person for being charged with something. A federal court ruled that warning other drivers of hidden cop cars (in this case by flashing your lights) is protected speech. Holding a sign saying "police ahead" is basically the same thing.
The Frisco traffic officer was camped in an unmarked Chevy, trying to catch drivers going above the speed limit, when he noticed something suspicious. Some of the motorists could see him. They waved. He had a feeling that a man named Ron Martin might have had something to do with it. Also aiding his suspicions:Because Ron Martin wasn't doing anything necessarily wrong, Officer Mrozinski has to dig deep to find a criminal charge to use against Martin. He fell back on "violating a city ordinance." Martin's sign was confiscated and he was booked on misdemeanor charges.
Another officer had given him a heads-up via radio that he'd seen Martin out that day.
Martin is well known among the Frisco traffic cops. He has a history of "holding signs in the center median of traffic," as officer Thomas Mrozinski explained in a police report. His signs carry a simple message: "Police Ahead."
Mrozinski drove eastbound down Eldorado Parkway, Frisco's main artery. Sure enough there was Martin, standing in the median of the busy road. He hoisted a "Police Ahead" sign above his shoulder. "The sign appeared to be self-constructed with a yellow background and lettering in black attached to a wooden stick," Mrozinski writes in his police report.
In Martin's case, the officers charged him with violating Frisco's human sign ordinance, a Class C misdemeanor. The police report doesn't explain how he violated that specific law, and it doesn't seem to apply in this case. Frisco's city code defines human signs as humans who are in costume or otherwise holding or wearing signs for advertising purposes. And though he is a professional sign painter, Martin maintains that he wasn't advertising anything that day in the Eldorado median, just protesting.Martin claims he was just trying to make the road "safer." Arguably, he was. Drivers were slowing down after reading his sign (and waving to the cop in the unmarked SUV). In that way, his ends were no different than the cop's: discourage speeding. But the cop arresting Martin felt the sign "interfered with enforcement duties." But unless Mrozinski had a quota to fill -- something that has been ruled illegal nearly everywhere -- the lack of speeders meant there was nothing to enforce.
The other argument used to justify hassling people who point out speed traps is that the person's actions prevent the department from collecting needed funds. Ticket revenue may fund police departments to a certain extent, but that's not the reason tickets exist. A police officer's purpose isn't to generate revenue. It's to enforce laws. With tickets, the two coincide, but if police departments rely heavily on tickets and fines for revenue, it becomes a perverse incentive. Police departments may not like seeing a source of revenue drying up thanks to someone holding up a warning sign, but there's little they can do about it. Generating revenue should never be the purpose for any law enforcement action.
Unless, of course, a very dubious circuit court decision declares generating revenue to be a legitimate part of "police business."
In this case, the court found that charging an arrested person a $30 booking fee was perfectly legal, as the PD had every right to earn money. So, anyone being arrested has to pay, whether or not the charges stick. No refunds.
Under Title 5 of its Village Code, the Village of Woodridge charges every arrestee in its custody a $30 booking fee. Indeed, after Woodridge police arrested the plaintiff-appellant for retail theft on January 8, 2011, the Village collected its $30 booking fee from him, without any opportunity to contest that collection either before or after the fee was taken. Mr. Markadonatos is not alone—Woodridge has taken the same $30 fee from each of the large number of people arrested and booked in its vicinity.According to this decision, it's perfectly fine for the Village of Woodridge to generate revenue this way, either to simply "make ends meet" or turn a profit.
Woodridge’s booking fee clearly passes the rational basis test. In imposing the fee, Woodridge hopes to offset the cost of booking arrestees, or at the very least to collect revenue, either of which is a legitimate goal.Scott Greenfield (along with the dissenting judge) tears that argument apart:
This is sheer insanity.This sort of decision will encourage those -- officers and supervisors -- who honestly believe police departments exist to generate revenue. Seeing as anyone being booked is charged $30, the incentive shifts from enforcing the law to booking as many people as possible. The actual charges aren't important as the fee is mandatory and backed by law. Routine infractions become trips "downtown," rather than warnings or tickets.
In dissent, Judge Hamilton writes what any person whose vision isn’t obscured by his rectum walls already knows:
"This should be a simple case. The village’s 'booking fee' ordinance is unconstitutional on its face. It takes property from all arrestees—the guilty and the innocent alike—without due process of law. The deprivation occurs at the time of arrest, immediately and finally. It occurs based on only the say-so and perhaps even the whim of one arresting officer. By no stretch of the imagination can that be due process of law."
This $30 booking fee, imposed immediately upon arrest because, well, a cop decided to arrest someone (and the donuts are ready, but that’s too snarky to say), is as facially, flagrantly, offensively unconstitutional as it gets. This isn’t a tough call.
The same goes for stretching an advertising ordinance to fit some guy warning other drivers about a speed trap. Both people involved have ostensibly the same goal -- a reduction in speeding. Only one of them believes slower drivers means police business has been interfered with. And those defending this officer will often point to the loss of revenue, as if that were the point.
Even a majority of the commenters at Police One News, a law enforcement-oriented site, side with the guy holding the sign. Basically: he's doing our job and he's doing it for free. An empty marked police car will have the same effect as a guy holding a sign on the median. People slow down. But somehow, Officer Mrozinski managed to view it as an illegal act, one that prevented him and his unmarked vehicle from pouncing on speeders and making them pay. Someone took the fun out of his job and that someone needs to learn that you don't screw with cops, even if all he managed to throw at him was a misdemeanor based on an obscure advertising ordinance.
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Pay for Stay
It's all about money. Make no mistake. Police are there to protect and serve, not fill the city's coffers with money. Oh, wait this is Amerika. I forgot...
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Also, in many states there when someone is held in custody for a misdemeanor such as a traffic violation, there is a mandated amount per day that the court has to give the defendant in CREDIT that is often used to offset the fines that were accessed for the charge. So when you spend time in jail for a traffic ticket, they technically pay you instead of the other way around.
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You couldn't be more wrong. County/municipal jails are funded by the Federal government which determines the amount of funding by ... guess what? ... number of inmates!
Also, most of these jails don't run their own food services. They contract it out. Guess what that means? Cutting rations to increase profits!!! Woohoo!
So when you spend time in jail for a traffic ticket, they technically pay you instead of the other way around.
That is the most distorted view of what's happening there that I have ever heard. Hell no they're not "paying" you to be in jail, they are just giving you credit against your fines for time served. That's a lot different than "paying" you.
But the big point is this: those "credits" for time served go ONLY against fines and do NOTHING to reduce those charges that are assessed against an inmate for each day incarcerated. Those STILL have to be paid.
Where the hell did you come up with this nonsense?
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As for the comment about them crediting you against your fine. If you didn't have a fine against you, you wouldn't be there in the first place. Crediting you for time served has exactly the same result as paying you for the served, but withholding it to offset the fine so in that situation there it's a matter of semantics. Charging you a per day fee, just means they have less to withhold so what else is the real difference? I've never seen that before but it wouldn't surprise me if some places do that.
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Crediting you for time served has exactly the same result as paying you for the served, but withholding it to offset the fine so in that situation there it's a matter of semantics.
It's more than "semantics" by a long shot. As I can illustrate with this very simple example: Suppose you have a fine of $11 and you get a per day "credit" of $10. In order to satisfy the fine you must be held 2 days minimum. Do you actually think they're going to give you the $9 change when you walk out the door? Or, even more absurdly, prorate the time so that you serve 26.4 hours? Hell no. And that's why it's not like being paid and why it's not just semantics.
Charging you a per day fee, just means they have less to withhold so what else is the real difference?
The per day fee is something completely outside the fines and something a person is still responsible for after leaving incarceration. I don't know how you figure this is "less to withhold" and a "difference" (both implying subtraction) when it's actually adding to the costs. Imagine a situation where the per day charge is higher than the per day credit (and in most counties the per day charge increases with each subsequent visit, so this is entirely possible); that would mean you would never get out. Absurd.
I've never seen that before but it wouldn't surprise me if some places do that.
That's pretty clear. So instead of trying to argue with me you should just listen instead.
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Added bonus: one guy I was locked up with was in for meth production. Of the entire 96 hours, every waking moment I spent I watched this guy pace and listened to him talk about how to make meth. My probation officer asked me how I liked my "experience". I told her "it wasn't a total loss, I learned how to make meth".
She was apoplectic. I couldn't understand why.
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Some go in because of the power and some are corrupted by it once they get there, but that number is around 10%.
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If that's so, then they can start by weeding out the '10%' that are making the rest of them, and 'law enforcement' as a whole, look bad by abusing their power and authority. When they do that, then I'll believe that 90% of them are actually good and looking to make a positive difference.
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We had this discussion in the 1990s. One of the most convincing arguments was that some people were buying equipment able to find the traps and warn the driver so it was completely impossible to keep it a complete secret. Since the equipment had several legal uses and was too hard to single out, it was deemed impossible to stop.
To avoid an advantage in owning and using this type of equipment, the police started informing about their speedtraps.
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Stunting
"perform or engage in any stunt or other activity that is
likely to distract, startle or interfere with users of the
highway;"
The idea is that doing this may make someone change their driving, like slamming on the brakes, which may lead to an accident.
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Stunting
In Alberta (Canada), the police ticket people who hold up signs or flash their high beams, warning of speed traps, with "stunting" (section 115.2.e).
"perform or engage in any stunt or other activity that is
likely to distract, startle or interfere with users of the
highway;"
The idea is that doing this may make someone change their driving, like slamming on the brakes, which may lead to an accident.
Activity that is likely to distract... or interfere...
So... if I use my blinker to 'distract' the attention of the other drivers to switch lanes I am technically afowl of this law.
Brilliant! Another side effect of unintended consequences. So it is technically ILLEGAL to drive in (Alberta)Canada because you cannot do so without breaking a law.
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So what is the difference between...
Shouldn't both go to jail? Or perhaps the people selling the radar detector should go to jail? Heck, let's throw all parties into jail for the sake of $$$$
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Radar Detectors are legal in most states (Washington DC and Vermont being the two exceptions.) Radar Jammers are illegal federally and Laser Jammers in quite a few states.
If your radar detector only receives signals and alerts you, it is perfectly safe to have except in those two places. The problem is that some of the devices out there called radar detectors do some sort of jamming, where they send signals back to the radar device that attempt to confuse it.
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Bullshit. That's the MAIN reason they exist. It may not be the reason used to justify them. But make no mistake it is the primary reason that many police departments have entire divisions dedicated just to writing traffic tickets.
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some states clamping down on ticket revenue
http://www.landlinemag.com/Story.aspx?StoryID=25006
20 years ago when Texas law capped the amount that cities could keep (the remainder of fine revenue had to be given up to state coffers) the number of traffic tickets dropped remarkably. (who'd have ever guessed?)
Yes, it's a racket. But then so is "civil forfeiture" - perhaps the greatest police abuse of all.
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Basically legalized ransom. It's not just the Mafia that operates "protection" rackets.
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I don't know the details, but I very much suspect that the reason Detroit went bankrupt was because the city was totally "boxed in" and unable to annex any of the surrounding *affluent* industrial and commercial areas that ring Detroit.
That's how decaying cities survive -- by sucking the blood out of suburban communities.
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Just because village idiot imposes a "fee", it does not make it legal.
I smell a nice lawsuit here. And, as usual, Mr Mrozinski will be running away like a cockroach upon being served with summons.
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http://threatened.globalvoicesonline.org/blogger/elisha-strom
"A 34-YEAR-OLD woman, the mother of a 12-year-old girl, has been locked up in a Virginia jail for three weeks. Her crime? Blogging about the police. Elisha Strom, who appears unable to make the $750 bail, was arrested outside Charlottesville on July 16 when police raided her house, confiscating notebooks, computers and camera equipment. Although the Charlottesville police chief, Timothy J. Longo Sr., had previously written to Ms. Strom warning her that her blog posts were interfering with the work of a local drug enforcement task force ... "
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From the same state that passed a bill imposing a mandatory fine of 3500 dollars for traffic violations which only in-state residents had to pay. I didn't believe it when I heard this, but right in the bill it said "this exists to generate revenue".
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Wrong reason, but right result
... it is undisputed that Markadonatos was lawfully arrested and charged with retail theft, entered a guilty plea, and was sentenced to a 12-month term of supervision and ordered to pay various court costs and criminal-justice fees.
The guy's claim deserved to be rejected. But the court should have just stopped there, and told him that since his arrest was lawful he did not have standing to challenge the fee. It should be challenged by someone who was booked but either acquitted or never charged.
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BTW, is driving with tinted like that windows legal in Frisco?
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I am not that familiar with Texas motor vehicle laws, but I suspect like other states, it is only illegal for commoners. Police officers, commercial vehicle operators (taxi/private transportation,) and government officials are likely exempt either by the law or by professional courtesy.
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Anticipatory warnings (like "police ahead" signs or even empty police cars) to aggressive, habitual speeders will only have the effect of very temporary behavior modification to avoid getting caught. Getting tickets/fines/points tends to make a difference for a longer time. I speak from experience as someone who hasn't had a ticket in decades, but who made significant "contributions" to law enforcement funding in my youth.
I seriously doubt Mr. Signman (Martin) is truly altruistic in his motivations. After all, if his goal were simply to help drivers slow down, he would maximize his efforts by holding up "slow down" signs where there are no police cars.
If this was truly just a speed trap having little or nothing to do with safety, I'm on the cheerleading squad for anything done legally to "interfere with police business". If it was a legitimate safety effort, he may be technically in the right, but really doing more harm than good, which will ultimately result in more stupid laws on the books. Who wants that?
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In So. Cal., PDs use speed carts and electronic speed radar signs to do the same thing with varying success. People still speed by them, but most people do slow down. Supposedly the carts in our city have cameras, but they aren't actually used for enforcement, but to protect the carts. A couple new carts actually have flashing blue and red lights which blink when the car goes too fast by the cart, but I noticed that they removed them after a couple times I saw them, probably because of the distraction and/or the legal issues surrounding red lights on vehicles not complying with the CVC.
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Is this actually true? I'm not saying that it isn't, but the habitual speeders I know certainly aren't deterred from speeding by tickets/fines/points. The get mad about them, but their behavior doesn't change.
Where it could make a difference is with people who are speeding due to carelessness -- but those people would be just as "deterred" by the guy holding the sign warning of speed traps.
Or, equally, by those "Your speed is..." radar signs.
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"A federal court ruled that warning other drivers of hidden cop cars (in this case by flashing your lights) is protected speech. Holding a sign saying "police ahead" is basically the same thing."
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They used to do this along a busy expressway on my way to work. Needless to say, the presence of this empty car caused people to slow down resulting in a traffic jam at this particular point every day during the rush hours. It was there every day for more than a week. One morning there were three Dunkin Donuts boxes sitting on the hood of the car. Hilarious to say the least. The next day the car was gone and in-coincidentally, so were the traffic jams.
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Compare to WV rafting links
I guess WV can arrest a lot of websites for their speed trap warnings also.
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What interference?
If anything, the sign aided law enforcement duties by getting drivers to stay within the speed limit. Or are the police saying that's not what speed traps are designed to do?
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Mrozinski' tinted windows
I would suspect that in this very case is not. Since the victim (Mr Ron Martin) has to spend his time on case anyway, he should pull Mr Mrozinski's home address from public records and issue him personal citation on his own. And not only for that, but two dozen other violations he did in the process (false report/official misconduct etc). And keep building 42 USC 1983 ironclad case. After all, Mr Mrozinski decided to go against the traffic on a two-way legal street.
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encouraging people to obey the law
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Stopping this!
Gang presence is severely diminished in these states, as are a variety of other serious crimes. So removing the economic incentive for ridiculous citations - like the woman yesterday in court who was fined for not wearing her seat belt because she moved her car 20 feet from the gas pump without it on - go away. The public has much more trust in its government and visitors are not terrorized about driving in the area.
Getting the attention of legislators and making them realize that this is good legislative practice is the difficult part, but the people in those states did it at a grass-roots level, did the petitions, got it on the ballots and the response was overwhelming. The cops can still ticket for under 20% but their counties and cities do not benefit from the fines. It makes a huge difference, and even enriches the states for worthwhile things like wildfire fighting.
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the state governments are violating our natural inherited rights protected by the constitution
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The biggest farce
Police rely on everyone's fear, ignorance and ego (every driver is terrible except me!) to continue their revenue generation. Admitting the problem is the first step.
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What if there were a law that said fines collected by the police or the courts must always go toward restitution to the victim, unless that victim is the police or courts itself, as the government is never allowed to keep fine money? Seems that the conflict of interest and incentive to write specious tickets goes away... And yet, I've never heard anyone else propose this, especially not someone in law enforcement... Curious...
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