Microsoft Enlisting Clueless States Attorneys General To Shake Down Foreign Companies For 'Piracy'
from the not-this-again dept
Almost exactly three years ago, we wrote about an effort by Microsoft to try to get various states to pass laws that would make it illegal to buy from a foreign company that uses unauthorized software. The goal was, basically, an incredibly cynical way for Microsoft to abuse overeager, grandstanding Attorneys General who want to pretend they're "helping local businesses" by blocking every other company from doing business with whoever might be the best supplier... unless they suddenly became licensed Microsoft customers. There were all sorts of problems with that idea, but over the past three years, Microsoft has apparently continued to push forward with variations on that concept -- and are now successfully getting states Attorneys' General (who have no authority over copyright issues) to shake down foreign companies with claims that they're "pirates."In short, states Attorneys General are suing foreign companies, claiming that they're using infringing software, and claiming that this unfairly "harms" local competitors. Often, the "local" competitors have absolutely no clue this is being done in their name, or that they've even been "harmed" by a competitor they've never heard of:
The Oklahoma suit, filed in a state district court, alleges that Neway Valve Co. and affiliates, based in China, where they make valves and other equipment for oil companies, illegally obtained "copyrighted software that is crucial to the production and sale of their products," gaining an advantage over Oklahoma-based rivals.In other words, this has absolutely nothing to do with protecting those local companies. They're being named in lawsuits that they don't even know about it and don't feel harmed by competitors they've never even heard of. This is all about Microsoft, yet again, abusing the legal system for its own benefit. It makes you wonder how much taxpayer money is being used to support these lawsuits.
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Valve manufacturer Balon Corp., of Oklahoma City, was named by the attorney general as an injured party. That came as news to Phil Scaramucci, co-president of Balon, who said that he didn't know much about Neway and wasn't aware of the suit until he read about it in the newspaper.
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Hmm...
I mean, I'm pretty sure that cases have been thrown out for less than simply, oh, you know, completely misrepresenting the clients you claim to represent?
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There are enough reasons to do this, starting with the elephant in the room that microsoft is a risk for national security and industry espionage, because they cooperated with american intelligence agencies and likely still do.
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So..
Because 1 of them had SOFTWARE??
OK..
WHO here has made a spread sheet for home billing?
I WANT TO SUE you, because I MADe the first one with Multiplan on my C64 YEARS ago..
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Well then I should sue you because I was making such spreadsheets well before the C64 even existed. But I'll give you a license for an amount somewhat lower than it would cost to defend yourself in court, so you're OK.
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So if I shop in a foreign owned retail store that uses unauthorized software in their stores overseas, I'm now the criminal for buying legal stuff from them?
And how exactly would one determine that they aren't breaking this law short of requiring a full audit of all their software every time they go to buy something?
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They would determine it based on Microsoft's say-so.
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Use Linux
For instance: you might think that buying computers without any operating system and using a volume license is a valid way of putting Windows on a company's computers. To my surprise, I recently found out that's not the case: a volume license can only be used if the computer already has a Windows license, either OEM or retail. The WTF is: if you already have a Windows license for all your computers, what's the point of a volume license then? It makes no sense, you are just paying twice for the same software.
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Do you mean libel? And no, it is not. But at least you know how to spell it. And no, it's not perjury either. Perjury is lying under oath.
I mean, I'm pretty sure that cases have been thrown out for less than simply, oh, you know, completely misrepresenting the clients you claim to represent?
I'm pretty sure you have no idea what you're babbling about. State Attorneys General do not have private clients. They represent the State. Be it the public or agencies.
God, you're a dolt.
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Re: Use Linux
A thousand times this. Microsoft licensing is a true nightmare -- such that even Microsoft can have a very hard time determining if you are properly licensed.
It's because of this alone that I don't recommend using Microsoft software in business environments.
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this was not in the US btw. They use the BSA to "audit" software licenses and they used to count every PC without a windows license as an instance of piracy even if they ran on linux.
I haven't heard anything in recent years, but yes, they have gone there before.
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As a bonus, you are giving money to companies which do a lot of work enhancing Linux (for instance, RedHat is always near the top in the amount of changes to the Linux kernel). And their licensing is AFAIK quite simple and easy to understand.
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I mean, sheesh, the State Attorneys General are claiming to represent businesses who, by their own admission, say that it's the first time they've heard of it.
So, EXCUSE ME for asking an obvious question.
God, it's people like you that proves the American Education system is all fucked up. Instead of answering questions properly, you use scorn and ridicule, thus causing people, who want to ask questions for answers to not ask in the future, thus making it HARDER for those same people to freaking LEARN!
Do yourself a favor next time and SHUT THE FUCK UP!!!
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http://myitforum.com/myitforumwp/2012/11/12/ernie-ball-inc-still-rockin-11-years-without-microsoft/
W hen Microsoft's terrorist arm, the Business Software Alliance, went after the company with US Marshalls. They responded by declaring Microsoft software to be unauthorized within their business. Thus, they only used authorized (and properly-licensed) software, in addition to software that is not promoted with a protection racket; 'nice business you have here, it would be a shame for the wrong suggestion to trigger a US Marshall cavity search.'
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Clueless state attorneys general
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Re: Use Linux
Using Linux based Operating Systems, such as Ubuntu, Red Hat, SuSE or LinuX Mint, with other Free Software such as LibreOffice, SugarCRM and MySQL, for example with or without support contracts is all they need do. Microsoft can't accuse them of using unauthorised software.
Not only will they save money, even with support contracts, but system reliability will improve.
Maintence costs, performance and security were cited by the New Zealand company Turners and Growers as the primary reasons for their switch from Microsoft Windows to SuSE Linux http://www.computerworld.co.nz/article/540412/case_study_nz_fruit_distributor_freshens_up_linux/
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something something shoot all the lawyers...
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A good start...
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Do you really expect me to believe you're that stupid?
I mean, sheesh, the State Attorneys General are claiming to represent businesses who, by their own admission, say that it's the first time they've heard of it.
No they're not. They identified the company as a victim. Just like they'd identify Dick's Sporting Goods as a victim if they sued a seller of counterfeit NFL jerseys.
So, EXCUSE ME for asking an obvious question.
See reply to #1, above.
God, it's people like you that proves the American Education system is all fucked up. Instead of answering questions properly, you use scorn and ridicule, thus causing people, who want to ask questions for answers to not ask in the future, thus making it HARDER for those same people to freaking LEARN!
My, aren't you a thin-skinned, little pantywaist? I don't know why you think I am part of the American Education system. I'm not. Or perhaps it's just part of (another) poorly thought out rant of yours. In any event, it appears that your years in the special education system lead you to think can act like an imbecile and still be rewarded.
Do yourself a favor next time and SHUT THE FUCK UP!!!
Do yourself a favor , go back to discussing the virtues of various fantasy games with the other losers.
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"Microsoft Enlisting Clueless States Attorneys General To Shake Down Foreign Companies For 'Piracy'"
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Been in the thick of it for 15 years. Using, coding, and administrating it.
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Technically, what the BSA demands is not that you produce Windows licenses (except for those machines that run Windows), but that you can document that all your software is legal. Keeping meticulous records of what you installed, where you got it, and on what machines, will shield you totally (in the US).
But the real thing the BSA accomplishes is not really about suing companies -- that's just icing on the cake for them. The real harm is during the investigation. They come in with cops and shut you down completely while they conduct their "investigation". Even when they find nothing, you've been seriously damaged through the inability to conduct business. That's why many business simply pay the extortionists their fee.
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Fun fact: "computer" used to be a job title, not the name of a kind of machine.
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Catch on...
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Incomplete recitals of facts detract from the persuasive force articles here could otherwise have.
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