Cable Industry's Own Numbers Show General Decline In Investment Over Past Seven Years
from the net-neutrality? dept
So, yesterday we wrote about the cable industry lobbying group NCTA blatantly misleading with statistics about how much broadband investment is coming from the cable side. The story it was pushing was that investment in broadband has continued to go up and up (and thus, "changing" the rules would somehow lead to less investment).
Thankfully, one of our readers using the name cincinnatus (nice one), posted the inflation adjusted numbers, and we've taken the liberty of making a new chart with those numbers:
Now, it's possible to claim -- as some cable industry supporters have been -- that because of greater efficiency and better technology, spending the same amount is fine because they get more value out of fewer dollars. But, if that's the case, then that's the argument the cable industry should be making, rather than the wholly misleading argument that investment in infrastructure has continued to rise over the last decade. It's quite clear from the chart that this is simply not true.
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Investing vs Investment
I'm sure this is how they're spinning it.
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Re: Investing vs Investment
For all we know, it could be investment in privacy-invasive tech, throttling tech, relationships with other telco's, investment in CS size as an alternative to investment in fixing problems, investment in lobbying, investment in PR, etc...
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Using "Cumulative investment" suggests that most equipment is still viable for current use. That might be true when you are buying printing presses or machine tools. But it's probably not true with communication or computing equipment.
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Even worse as a percent of revenue
http://goo.gl/AedySK
It spiked in '02, and leveled off to pre-2000s numbers starting in about 2007.
Over the last four years the cable industry has invested less -- as a percentage of revenue -- than they did in the early 90s.
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Re: Even worse as a percent of revenue
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Accounting
In normal accounting maintenance and repair go into operating expenses or the P&L statement. Investment goes on the Balance Sheet with the depreciation going into the operating statement, unless they are trying to screw with the IRS.
Investment would be expansion and/or improvement in some part of their system. We know by various means that this is not the case.
We want details, or it is just a lie.
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Re: Accounting
I'd like to see someone ask them to separate out the standard maintenance from the actual new build out and upgrades.
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In relation to internet infrastructure, we're at the "son" stage right now.
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Two things about these data. 1. It's possible the data were already inflation corrected by the ncta, but they never replied to my request for clarification (https://www.ncta.com/platform/public-policy/setting-the-record-straight-on-broadband-investment/#.U 3JUf4ARs94.twitter). This doesn't change the basic trend, but makes the peak around 2001 less massively large. 2. Their original graph not only has the problems noted, but also had a nonlinear (non logarithmic) y axis. Edward Tufte was spinning in his grave--despite still being alive--over that graph.
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not misleading
Now, even with what you seem to considering damning numbers, they are putting a ton of money of the table every year, and have done so in a constant fashion. The only peak is in late 1990s, where they would have being doing the initial building of their networks for the internet. Otherwise, they have been pretty much spending 15 billion a year. Considering that much of the networking equipment is actually cheaper these days, that means that they continue to make significant investment and upgrades. Why beat them up for doing the right thing and constantly putting money on the table?
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The total investment number is honest. Representing it as an annual investment is not honest. Claiming a general decline is equally dishonest.
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http://www.pbs.org/cringely/pulpit/2007/pulpit_20070810_002683.html
I wonder how much of their own money the cable companies actually put up, after all of this is said and done.
They didn't "[do] the right thing"; they did their best to earn as much money as possible. For a while they did that through investing in their infrastructure. For the last several years they've been coasting and investing at a lower rate THAN ANY TIME IN THE LAST 25 YEARS.
I believe the phrase is, "don't piss on my leg and tell me it's raining."
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Re: not misleading
Until I see independent auditors audit them I won't believe any numbers they give me. and even then the only real way to keep them honest is to allow competitors to enter the market. If not then the government should directly set prices so that they are only allowed to make a normal profit (which is enough to ensure development and maintenance) and not an economic profit, and the government should regulate them very closely (and basically run the operation) with independent auditors. Otherwise the U.S. will continue to just keep falling behind in terms of broadband services while ISP's keep telling us baseless claims and lies that no one believes including the bought politicians and shills around here (including yourself) that only pretend to believe them in public because they have no conscience.
Government established natural monopolies should not be for profit entities.
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You don't have to; but you have to admit (if you believe the numbers are spun out of whole cloth) that it's pretty funny that even when they have a chance to "cook the books" so to speak they still can't make a convincing case.
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The biggest argument for disbelieving the conclusions reached by the broadband providers is that they are the ones who provided the information. As said by Cicero (following the Roman theme!): "Who benefits?" But the actual data is basically meaningless.
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Also, you're blind. It's not even the same shade of pink. Smooth move, troll.
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what about investment per account?
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Re: what about investment per account?
It's one of the reasons that the price of internet access is stable or dropping, and not increasing.
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Whaaaa????
This is not true in my area at all. Just the opposite.
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Of course, inflation doesn't explain higher latency and dropped packets. But is that a general trend (except in specific cases like Netflix)?
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And broadband was hideously overpriced in my area to begin with.
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I Did Do The Math (Mechanical Engineers Are Trained To Always Do The Math) [to: John Fenderson, #31]
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10 feet of cable is one's pro-rata share of getting from the Local Exchange (say, a couple of miles away) to the rest of the world.
10 feet of cable is one's pro-rata share of getting from a U-Verse Cabinet (or the equivalent), 2000 feet from one, to the Local Exchange.
40 feet of cable is one's pro rata share of getting from the Primary Plugbox at the street corner to the U-Verse Cabinet
500 feet of copper wire is one's private task of getting to the Primary Plugbox at the corner.
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A telecommunications network looks sort of like a "fractal," and virtually all its length is in the branches. You can see that the cost is overwhelmingly in the last chunk of wire leading to the house, because that is not shared.
Bona fide investment works out to laying out new subscriber loops in a new subdivision, at the same time that the streets are being paved. This would not precisely correlate with housing construction, but the long-term relationship would be close. This investment has nothing much to do with improvement of service for existing customers. Investment in telecommunications is fairly durable. Ducts, as installed in the ground, are much more expensive than the actual cables inside them. Digging a ditch, and putting one or more ducts inside it, costs something like ten dollars a foot, or fifty thousand dollars a mile. You are paying for such incidentals as the eventuality of hitting a gas line. Cables, in turn, are much more expensive than the switches which tie them together. As for switching components, which do become obsolete, a defensible cost for the primary switching machine is about twenty dollars per subscriber loop, and assuming that this is amortized over two years, that is only about a dollar a month. The primary switching machine merges many individual subscriber loops into a packet stream at gigabit rates, and upstream switches enjoy much greater economies of scale. The cost of a switch is primarily determined by how many ports it has, not how much data it moves. Again, the cost of building telecommunications plant comes down to the local ditch and the local duct, and often depends on whether it is feasible to use a Ditch-Witch or not.
There will be some differences for cable television plant, as distinct from telephone plant, but the differences will not be major. The main point is that a cable network cannot be more geometrically linear than the streets it runs over.
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The latency and packet loss is at the edges of the networks. Without going into too much detail, the links between the ISP network (Comcast, Time Warner, Verizon, ATT) and the backbone/tier 1/other internet providers' network (Level3, Cogent) are at or above capacity. Historically, when these links get close to capacity, they are upgraded, and in most cases, this is extremely cheap to do (sometimes as cheap as running an extra cable or two through a co-location data center from one rack to another). Consumer ISPs that have an effective monopoly have been increasingly not upgrading these links as internet traffic has increased. It's not just Netflix, but Youtube, other video, streaming music providers, bittorrent, and just general web page traffic that has been increasing, and as such all is being effected. While it is all being effected, it is only most noticeable in situations where latency and data integrity is key - streaming video/music, VoIP, online gaming, and such. If Techdirt takes an extra second or two to load, no big deal, but when your video stream buffers or pauses, or when your command to dodge out of the way of that bullet/sword doesn't reach the server, you notice.
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Enjoying the geeking out here
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================================================================
Subscriber Loop To Primary Plugbox
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Subscriber:
Upgrade: DSL terminal, 1Mbps
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Single wire (True Subscriber Loop), 500 ft from Subscriber to
Primary Plugbox
Existing: copper wire.
Upgrade: copper wire, recertified for DSL, 1 Mbps
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Primary Plugbox to Local Exchange, Centralized Version
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Primary Plugbox
Assuming rectilinear layout, following streets and respecting
property lines, the plugbox commands an area of 1000 feet by 1000
feet, 1/25 square mile, or about four city blocks. Taking a
notional small-town/suburban population density of 3000 per sq.
mi., 3 per household, this works out to 40 subscribers, each
house being about 160 ft from its neighbors.
Distance from subscriber: 500 ft.
Existing: copper-to-copper physical connection
Upgrade: 40 Mbps, Local, remote-controlled optical-to-DSL
switching computer.
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Primary Ganged cable, 1600 ft
pro-rata share per subscriber line of the ganged cable: 40 ft.
per line.
Existing: ganged copper wires
Upgrade: 40 Mbps, one optical fiber (grossly underutilized).
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Secondary Plugbox
Assuming rectilinear layout, this plugbox command a 3 by 4 array
of primary plugboxes, and areas as described above. The 12
Primary Ganged Cables converge at a plugbox serving about 480
lines, 1/2 sq. mi. (3000 by 4000 ft), and about 1500 people.
Distance from subscriber: 2100 ft.
Existing: copper-to-copper physical connection
Upgrade: 480 Mbps, Local, remote-controlled optical switching
computer.
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Secondary Ganged Cable, 4,500 ft
pro-rata share per subscriber line of the ganged cable: 9.4 ft.
per line.
Existing: copper-to-copper physical connection
Upgrade: 480 Mbps, one optical fiber (underutilized).
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Tertiary Plugbox
Still assuming rectilinear layout, this plugbox command a 2 by 3
array of secondary plugboxes, and areas as described above. The 6
Secondary Ganged Cables converge at a plugbox serving about
2880lines, 3 sq. mi.(9000 by 8000 ft), and about 9000 people.
Distance from subscriber: 6600 ft.
Existing: In process of being furnished up with a DSL switch.
Upgrade: 2880 Mbps, Local, remote-controlled optical switching
computer.
---------------------------------------------------------------
Tertiary Ganged Cable, 8000 ft.
pro-rata share per subscriber line of the ganged cable: 2.78 ft.
per line.
Upgrade: 2880 Mbps, one optical fiber (still underutilized on one
wavelength).
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Primary Local Exchange
Assuming an only partially rectilinear layout, let us say that a
primary local exchange commands a town of 20160 households and
60,000 people spread over 21 square miles. The Primary Local
Exchange is fed by 7 Tertiary Ganged Cables. One Tertiary Plugbox
is centered on the exchange, the other six are within a radius
of 10,000 feet.
Distance from subscriber: 14,600 ft.
Existing, optical-copper switch, in progress of being refurbished
to a mixture of DSL and optical connections to substations
overlaid on tertiary plugboxes.
Upgrade: 20 Gbps optical switching computer.
================================================================
Primary Plugbox to Local Exchange, Decentralized Version
================================================================
Assume that plugboxes are 1000 feet apart, and have connections
to their neighboring plugboxes to the north, east, south, and
west, and shared cables running to them, and that all traffic is
handed over from plugbox router to plugbox router, internet
fashion. Each plugbox therefore owns 2000 feet of single-fiber
optical cable, shared among 40 subscribers for a pro-rata share
of 50 ft. Assume that the router in the plugbox is capable of
handling four multiplex channels in each direction (40 Gbps) and
any point in the network is therefore capable of doing 160 Gbps,
eight times the town's total outside connection requirement.
================================================================
Continental Trunk Switching Network, Centralized Version.
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Primary Local Trunk Cable
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20 mile switched trunk cable from Local Exchange to County
Exchange
pro-rata share of the trunk cable: 5.25 ft. per line.
Existing: one optical fiber with obsolete transmitter and
receiver.
Upgrade: 20 Gbps, same optical fiber, say, refurbished to support
two multiplexing frequencies.
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County Exchange
At this point, we switch from suburban population density to
overall quasi-rural density. Assume one central town, and six
surrounding towns at a distance of twenty miles. Since the cable
is crossing the spaces between towns, it runs straight, with
minimal circuity. Making some allowance for rural population,
this might be 180 persons per square mile. A county has a
population of 420,000 persons and 140,000 lines in an area of
about two thousand square miles.
Existing: obsolete switches.
Upgrade: 140 Gbps optical switching computer.
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County to Area code Trunk Cable, 300 mi
pro-rata share of the trunk cable: 0.95 ft. per line.
Upgrade: Single Optical fiber, multiplexed.
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Area Code Exchange
The Area Code consists of seven counties, laid out as before, at
a distance of thirty miles. Its population is three million with
a million lines, in an area of about 30,000 square miles. for a
population density of 100 persons/square mile.
Upgrade: 1 Tbps switching computer.
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Intermediate Distance Trunk Cable, 300 mi.
pro-rata share: about 1.43 ft. per line
Upgrade: 1 Tbps, one fiber with wavelength division multiplexing,
finally fully utilized.
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Regional Exchange:
10 area codes in a region of 300,000 sq. mi., and a population of
30 millions and 10 million lines.
Upgrade: 10 Tbps switching computer.
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Long Distance Trunk Cable, 2000 mi.
pro-rata share: about 0.95 ft. per line
Upgrade: 10 Tbps, ganged trunk cable with 10 optical cavities.
This does not mean manufacturing ten fibers. Instead, it might
mean starting with a glass blank preform with a number of areas
of different refractive index and then stretching it out to get a
multi-cavity optical fiber. This would bring optical-fiber making
within the scope of Moore's Law.
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Continental Exchange:
10 regions in a continental area of 3 million square miles, with
a population upwards of 300 million, having 100 million lines.
================================================================
Continental Trunk Switching Network, Alternative Decentralized
Version.
================================================================
Assume that every town has neighboring towns, north, east, south,
and west, at a distance of twenty miles, and shared cables
running to them, and that all traffic is handed over from town to
town, internet fashion. This works out to 10.5 ft. per line. Let
us assume that the cables are 10-ganged or 100 ganged (10 fibers
times ten optical cavities per fiber) as a matter of course. It's
the same sort of routine overkill which puts a traditionally
defined supercomputer on every desktop. In this case, The
aggregate east-west and north-south bandwidth across a continent
is somewhere in the hundreds of Tbps or more.
================================================================
Intercontinental Connection:
================================================================
At this point, we drop the abstraction and recognize that the
continent is North America, and assume that we have half shares
in 50 Tbps cables to Europe and Asia. Our share works out to 8000
mi.
pro-rata share: about 0.42 ft of cable per line.
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Recapitulating:
0.42 ft of oceanic cable per line is one's pro-rata share of
getting from one's own continent to the rest of the continent.
8.58 feet of cable (0.95 feet of it 10-ganged) is one's pro-rata
share of getting from the Local Exchange to the rest of the
continent.
[alternatively, 10.5 ft, decentralized model]
52 feet of single optical fiber cable is one's pro rata share of
getting from the Primary Plugbox at the corner to the Local
Exchange
[alternatively, 50 ft., decentralized model]
500 feet of copper wire is one's private task of getting to the
Primary Plugbox at the corner.
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The point to be drawn from this model is that the true copper subscriber loop, in the strictest possible sense of the word,
overwhelms all other components of the telecommunications system.
Long distance works out to about ten feet per subscriber, whereas the houses are a hundred and sixty feet apart. Since the copper subscriber loop does not admit of being shared, per-byte or per-minute pricing is irrational. In fact, if there is one irrational element in telephone pricing, it is the fact that the subscriber loop can be rented on a month-to-month basis, rather than on a long lease.
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Jeff Hecht, _Understanding Fiber Optics_ (1987). It has sections of questions after each chapter, and was probably intended for use in a community college course for retraining telephone linemen, or something like that. One curious point about it, from hindsight, is that the author knew about Packet Switching and Wavelength-Division Multiplexing, but he didn't take them particularly seriously, so he laid out an enormously elaborate practice of cable installation aimed at giving each customer their own fiber leading all the way to the central office. In hindsight, that is massive overkill, but it offers an insight into the level of installation involved in building a global network.
Another worthwhile book is David macaulay, _Underground_ (1976). This is a book of illustrative drawings setting forth the sheer complexity of what's down there: building foundations, manholes, pipes, cables, subways, etc.
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The writing is on the wall
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"Less regulation!" she said.
About that...
* Socialists are not keen on the middle class, or "bourgeoisie," and I believe we need a strong middle class. Look up "Socialism" and "bourgeois," and see for yourself what they really believe. That's why I'm not and never will be a Socialist.
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Follow the Money
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