Looks Like Sprint Did Challenge FISC Order For Call Data, Asked If It Was Serious
from the um...are-you-for-real? dept
Last September, we noted that the FISA Court had finally released a heavily redacted version of its attempt to justify the NSA's use of Section 215 of the PATRIOT Act to sweep up phone records on every phone call. It's noteworthy that this was the first time that the FISC had ever bothered to actually detail why it believed the program was legal, despite approving such bulk collection orders for years. In that ruling last fall (which had been written last July), one of the things that FISC Judge Claire Eagan stated was:To date, no holder of records who has received an Order to produce bulk telephony metadata has challenged the legality of such an Order. Indeed, no recipient of any Section 215 Order has challenged the legality of such an Order, despite the explicit statutory mechanism for doing so.We found that to be fairly disappointing that no company had stepped up to challenge these orders. In fact, we noted just last month that an unnamed phone company was the first to challenge the records -- but it turns out that's not true. In fact, it turns out that what Eagan claimed in her ruling isn't true either.
In some newly declassified documents from the Director of National Intelligence, it's revealed that Sprint challenged the order, and basically forced the government to reveal the actual legal basis for the request. Sprint isn't named in the declassified legal filing, but people have confirmed that that's who it was.
The actual filing is a "Motion for Amended Secondary Order" from the DOJ, in which it's pretty clear that Sprint basically asked the government "are you fucking serious? you want us to hand over everything?" The motion from the DOJ is basically asking the FISA Court to repeat its original order with a legalese version of "yes, we're serious." As Julian Sanchez points out, it seems pretty clear that Sprint basically went back to the government and said could you repeat that, so that we actually know this is for real?
The Washington Post further claims that Sprint had a legal challenge drafted and ready to go, but was eventually persuaded by the DOJ and/or FISC not to go that far. Still, the idea that no one had questioned the legality of these orders doesn't appear to be accurate. Yes, we could have hoped that Sprint would have gone to greater lengths, but as we were just discussing this morning, the government puts immense pressure (often in the form of lies) on anyone who dares to challenge its ability to spy on everyone.
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Judge Claire Egan
It was the least untruthful answer.
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Someone needs to just sue
If they deny that such a suit could go forward, that only leaves Revolution as an option.
We also need an Amendment making lying while in Office (elected or not), or Campaigning for Office, illegal & include real punishments, & not just Impeachment.
Might as well do an Amendment outlawing keeping the Citizens in the dark while we're at it.
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This is something that I'm pretty sure the Supreme Court was set up for, but I'm also fairly sure the procedure to do so has been lost to time.
US Citizens v. US Government, RE: Constitutional Violations needs to happen soon.
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Technically, the solution to this problem is supposed to be a combination of the different branches of government holding each other's feet to the fire and the citizens voting out the bad actors and voting in good ones.
tive.
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Joseph P. Nacchio was the only head of a communications company to demand a court order, or approval under the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act, in order to turn over communications records to the NSA.[8]
According to a Washington Post report, Nacchio claimed that the National Security Agency had asked Qwest in February 2001 to participate in a surveillance program; Nacchio said that after he declined, the NSA punished Qwest by dropping a contract worth hundreds of millions of dollars.[9]
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Government in time of War
Thats how it looks to me.
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FIFY
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Abraham Lincoln
First Inaugural Address
Monday, March 4, 1861
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That won't get you into trouble and would actually do a lot of good.
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