Thailand Coup Leaders Insist Their Orders To Censor The Internet Are Not Actually Censorship
from the because-they-are dept
You may have heard that there was yet another coup in Thailand this week (an unfortunately common occurrence in the country). While that, alone, isn't exactly Techdirt-worthy material, there are now reports that the coup leaders have summoned local ISP execs to explain to them how to censor the internet:The meeting with internet service providers (ISPs) is likely to discuss the directives given to Thailand’s National Broadcasting and Telecommunications Commission (NBTC) yesterday, when the country was under martial law but before a bloodless coup was declared. Those directives instruct ISPs to block sites containing content related to the coup that is deemed inappropriate – though it’s unclear what that means or how it will be carried out in practice. Yesterday, six sites were blocked, and the NBTC made it clear that social media like Twitter, Facebook, and Line will be monitored closely.But the really ridiculous and amusing part is where the NBTC insists that its censorship directives are not, in fact, censorship directives, even though that's the only legitimate way to describe them:
An NBTC representative said yesterday that this does not constitute censorship of the web.As if to hammer home the point that this "non-censorship" absolutely is censorship in every possible way, the Thai military forcibly shut down a web livestream of ThaiPBS reporters covering the news (though, as you can see from the video, everyone seems fairly laid back about it).
Shortly after the forced broadcast TV shutdown last night, ThaiPBS continued with a live YouTube stream of their TV news. But as seen in this video (hat-tip to Coconuts Bangkok for spotting it), a pair of soldiers went into the ThaiPBS newsroom to get the livestream taken offline.
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Individuals in Massachusetts orchestrated a mass uploading of hundreds of songs to Youtube this week. A Pirate Party official said yesterday that this does not constitute copyright infringement.
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So much for the people's movement, when the people "expressly" demand no voting/election whatsoever to be taken place to replace Yingluck.
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a cohort you would *think* would be most adamant about being against censorship and for free expression, blah blah blah, and they are as censorious as the most knuckle-dragging conservatard site...
insert sad but true button here...
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Censorship in Thailand
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It's censor when the government (or somebody claiming to have the same authority, like a junta) does it. When some private party does it on their website, it's just being selective.
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TV Censorship, Coup in General
This included cable channels as well, for example, HBO in Thailand now shows the army channel.
This is not your ordinary military coup - after all the problems begat by the last coup this was certainly not something desired by the military. Both the yellow shirts and red shirts were each able and willing to bring the country to its knees in its war against the other, a situation cycling and building for some time. For good or bad, this is a gamble by the military to defuse the longstanding conflict. Experience says this is not one of those military dictator for life type situations.
(If anyone wishes to discuss further can email me bangakmaco at gmail.)
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1. i don't know where the false meme of 'it is only "censorship" (with a capital C) when it is done by gummint, mere nekkid apes are just being 'selective'...
what a load of horseshit...
while it is ESPECIALLY egregious (if not 'illegal', which has no meaning these days), when gummints censor, it is STILL "censorship" when private people censor on their own websites, etc...
it is NOT that they don't have the 'legal' (or even 'moral') right to do so, it is just not reflective of their so-called values and beliefs when they engage in such a practice...
IT IS ANTITHETICAL to what *every* amerikan should hold dear: the right to free and unfettered expression...
2. dimbulbs inferred (without any evidence) that i was referring to techdirtia as being one of these progressive sites which censor; you would be wrong...
i have -on numerous occasions- defended techdirtia BOTH for their generally well-done free-speech policy, as well as the low-impact, 'soft' censorship of the community voting on nominally 'hiding' posts...
it IS a FORM of censorship, but is the least egregious sort i can imagine...
3. AGAIN: as a matter of PRINCIPLE, so-called progressives should be for free speech in any/all venues; HOWEVER, they will NOT ALLOW such messy stuff in THEIR LITTLE sandboxes they have complete control over... WHY is that ? ? ?
because they are closet authoritarians who weally, weally want the trains to run on time, and don't care they are hypocrites and/or liars *SAYING* they believe in 'free speech', but then refusing to honor that bedrock principle when they have complete control of their own little corner of the inertnet world...
4. if you do not understand the principle of 'free speech', plesae re-read your chomsky, and maybe he can explain it better than you would believe from an inertnet loudmouth...
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cen·sor·ship
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noun: censorship
the practice of officially examining books, movies, etc., and suppressing unacceptable parts.
After all, they're not actually examining what the people are saying. They're preventing the people from saying it in the first place. "You've said something unacceptable in the past, so we're not going to allow you to say anything in the future."
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Here in Thailand
General Prayuth has dissolved the Senate, although rigged for the coup generals who control 50% of the votes, Prayuth doesn't trust this body to act in his personal interest.
General Prayuth has appointed himself Prime Minister and dissolved the government and police and DSI.
General Prayuth has suspended the constitution, although it was written by the military coup of 2006. We kept voting for the wrong party.
General Prayuth has signed a paper saying the king gave him permission, although the king has not been seen, nor the prince who speaks for him these days. The paper has no royal stamps or signatures.
When questioned about elections, Prayuth walks out of the press conference.
TV only shows the princesses that the military wants to have as monarchs. The pro democracy prince goes unmentioned. The king never shown.
Anti coup protests have been popping up, the TV stations are not allowed to show or mention them. Some press is notably ignoring that and printing it.
Shots were fired over the heads of protestors in Chiang Mai.
Journalists are being told to report in, and then arrested for tweeting.
An army colonel is back, he was raising an army last year to overthrow the elected government, this times, he's running 'pro-coup' mobs for the army....
He's @pookem on twitter.
And the army has created hotlines for people to report websites with anti coup messages on them for the army to quickly punish.
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Here in Thailand 2
http://youtu.be/QtniI-008IY
Here the military surround a small group quickly before it gets big like yesterday. In Thai the soldier is telling people that this mob is paid, that's what the whoops are.
Facebook man burntobeamillionaire2 is back. He warns that they're planning to set off bombs to let them shoot protestors as terrorists.
Youtube video K1mSXNP1WCI shows examples of pro-democracy flash mobs that are appearing.
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Here in Thailand 3
Two more reporters have been cautioned, for aggressive questioning. One from Bangkok Post, Wassana Nanuam (@WassanaNanuam ), and Supparerk Thongchaiyasit from Thai Rath news paper asked General Prayuth if he planned to be Prime Minister.
Meanwhile General Prawit has been appointed as Chairman of the Junta. This is the same General Prawit who backed Suthep 'people's ' coup! So no real suprises, the backer of the 'peoples' mob is the backer of the military coup is connected to army special warfare, who do the fake grenade attacks.
It was the same as 2008, when a 'mob' took over the airport, then grenades hit them, killing 3 guards, then the army stepped in to 'restore peace' and kicked out the elected government.
And later we see Wikileaks reveal the plot was pre-planned by the Kings Privy Council. Including the involvement of the military. So if the military wasn't reacting to the grenade attack, rather their involvement was pre-planned, then who threw the grenade? Duh!
All this group of Generals are Prem Titsulanonda's, the real dictator in Thailand. He's the one the king bows to inside the palace.
A good article on what they planned in 2008:
http://asiancorrespondent.com/121816/man-of-the-state-group-wants-a-bigger-role-for-prem-but-do es-prem-agree/
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Convince the adherents that there are great rewards for sticking to the system and that the penalties that should result for those who don't aren't being brought to bear because the bogeymen are protecting them, acting as a cushion from the consequences of their actions.
Convince the adherents that they alone are good moral people and that non-adherents are not only morally compromised, they're a threat to society at large and in league with the bogeyman.
The only way to enforce an authoritarian regime is to appeal to the authoritarians in the population and give them positions of power.
'Murica! Or Thailand.
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"Censorship", in its basic sense, is simply the attempt to prevent some (particular) audience from being exposed to some (particular) information.
If government or other authoritarian involvement were essential to the concept of censorship, "self-censorship" would not be a stock phrase, because the concept would be a contradiction in terms when done by anything but a government entity.
The distinction between censorship and "just being selective" is that someone being selective just chooses what information they themselves will present, whereas someone engaging in censorship attempts to restrict what other people can present.
Sometimes these can overlap; for example, the editors of a newspaper who choose which Letters to the Editor to publish are certainly being selective, but may also be engaging in censorship if they make that choice based on wanting to keep their readers from being exposed to the information in some of the letters. But the distinction is still important.
(None of what happens in Techdirt comments seems to be censorship to my eye, for the record. Unless there are posts actually being deleted, which I'm fairly sure is not the case.)
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