Only Surviving Recording Of The Very First Superbowl Is Because A Fan Recorded It, But You Can't See It, Because Copyright
from the dirty-pirates dept
We've written a few times in the past about how the entertainment industry's woeful job of preserving and archiving old works has resulted in culture being lost -- but also how unauthorized copies (the proverbial "damn dirty pirates") have at least saved a few such treasures from complete destruction. There was, for example, the "lost" ending to one of the movie versions of Little Shop of Horrors that was saved thanks to someone uploading it to YouTube. Over in the UK, a lost episode of Dad's Army was saved due to a private recording. However, Sherwin Siy points out that the very first Super Bowl -- Super Bowl I, as they put it -- was basically completely lost until a tape that a fan made showed up in someone's attic in 2005. Except, that footage still hasn't been made available, perhaps because of the NFL's standard "we own everything" policy. From Cracked:It sounds crazy nowadays, but during the '60s, NBC and CBS, who broadcast Super Bowl I, essentially had no archiving policy for anything other than primetime shows, so neither one kept a copy of the historic game beyond a few random clips. And seeing as home video technology was still a few years away, the broadcast footage was considered lost forever until a mostly-complete recording turned up in a Pennsylvania attic in 2005, made by a fan at a video production company.Other reports explain in more detail that, indeed, the NFL stepped in to "protect" the work it had failed to originally protect:
And we have to emphasize "mostly" here -- the copy is missing much of the third quarter, the entire halftime show, and several smaller bits. The Paley Center for Media tried reconstructing these parts using official sideline footage and fan-made audio recordings, but the last we heard about the project was way back in 2011, right around the time the NFL started claiming sole copyright ownership of the footage. Probably a coincidence.
The NFL has claimed ownership of the broadcast itself and while the Paley Center was allowed to keep a copy of the game, it cannot show it without permission from the owner of the videotapes, who reportedly would like to sell the tapes.The original WSJ article about all of this details the NFL's claim to the man who found the tape, who has remained nameless.
Mr. Harwood, the attorney, says he contacted the NFL in 2005 about the tape. He says the league sent him a letter on Dec. 16, 2005 claiming the NFL was the exclusive owner of the copyright. Mr. Harwood says the NFL offered his client $30,000 for the tape and his client declined. Mr. Harwood said his client would like to sell the tapes and make them available to the public if the legal issues can be resolved.So the NFL failed to save it. A fan did. And now no one can see it because the NFL is claiming copyright over the footage it failed to protect. Great to see copyright "protecting" culture once again, huh?
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Response to: RadioactiveSmurf on Sep 18th, 2014 @ 7:14am
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HOW about the ability to show a Public event to more then.1% of the public?
how would you like to make a stadium, big enough to hold 1% OF THE POPULATION.
Then how about those working during the Time of the event?
Copies to those that wish to KEEP a copy of the event..
HISTORICAL REASON..better then reading Tablets on the event.
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lets forget about the TIME frame..recording ANYTHING at the time, at home, was almost impossible.
With that in mind..Making copies AFTER it was able to, in VHS..selling them at a $1 profit..would have given them a TON of money.
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Lay the blame where it belongs, with the guy trying to profiteer.
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It's not the problem with the profiteer... its a problem with the law giving that profiteer a tool gouge the hell out of everyone with!
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2) Make sure event promoter has no surviving copies
3) Wait 48 YEARS!
4) Profit!
Yeah, that's some pretty shrewd profiteering there...
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In this case the Profiteer is the NFL, not the person holding the recording. The person with the recording is not doing anything black-market or illegal(that I am aware of), therefore it is impossible for him to be a profiteer no matter how much money he is trying to make!
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I'm curious as to why you're calling this guy a "profiteer". On the surface of it, he doesn't seem to fit the definition.
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Well, to be fair to Whatever, those albums weren't given free to users, the price was that once they had a copy in their account, they couldn't delete it. The fact that that has since changed doesn't alter that fact.
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Cops violate your rights? Your fault for having them! Also you probably provoked them.
NFL doesn't save copy of first Superbowl but fan does? Fuck that guy, he's just a greedy bastard and how dare he not sell it to the NFL for a pittance! The fuck!
Denied access to movies and shows thanks to Australian entertainment industry and numerous studios because REASONS? Fuck you for paying for Netflix and using a VPN to access it! Also fuck Netflix! How dare they not know people are using VPNs to access things they are being explicitly prohibited from acquiring legally because REASONS!
Whatever, the guy who falls over himself to excuse asshole behavior and blames those who aren't in the wrong and are doing everything possible to show corporations and police officers for the assholes they more often than not are.
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here's the cliff notes version: whatever = POS
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He's one of those strange people who've developed an obsession with attacking everything they read here. "The blame", in his mind, belongs to whoever Techdirt is defending, no matter how silly the assertion.
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$30k for the only surviving recording of the first Superbowl? I vacillate between hating and not caring about football, and even I know it'd be worth more than that just to a collector.
the guy who "owns" the tapes
Why the scare quotes? Of course he owns the tapes. Even your insane and fucked up version of copyright says he owns the tapes. It's just that he cannot legally distribute copies of them.
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and here, have my click on report too...
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Yeah, thats not censorship moron. It has been explained to you 20 times how and why its not. It is an expression of an OPINION (your comment is bad, report it as such) and if enough people feel that it should be used to express such, those are the breaks. You are entitled to freedom of speech, but not from the *consequences* of that speech. Everyone has a right to express their opinion, even you. Just because 90% of the world turns on you and calls you out for your opinion is not "censorship," its an indicator that they do not share your opinion.
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So he "owns" the tapes only in the sense that he owns that copy, and doesn't have any other rights. So 30K (instead of "have a nice day and enjoy re-watching your superbowl video") isn't such a bad thing. Heck, he probably could negotiate super bowl tickets for life if he wanted.
The problem here is that he can't do anything with it. So it's value is to only one group who can actually do anything with it, the NFL. He can't sell it to anyone else, he can't even really give it away. So what does he do? He holds out for a bigger payday. That's the guy holding the process up.
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If I take 5,000 pictures of you walking down the street, who owns copyright?
If I take a picture of you sitting inside a Starbuck's, who owns copyright?
If I take 5,000 pictures of you sitting inside a Starbuck's, who owns copyright?
If I take a video of my son at a little league game, who owns copyright?
If I take a video of my son scoring the winning touchdown at a Superbowl game, who owns copyright?
If I take a video of my son playing in the first Superbowl game (which was way before small print "you waive all rights to any recordings you make of this event" made it into ticket purchases), who owns copyright?
See, the problem here isn't that NFL owns copyright (they don't, although they do hold some trade marks and other trade properties), it's that the original people who recorded the video are no longer in the picture.
From the article, I'm still not sure who originally recorded the footage -- was it some guy working for a video production company (defunct? production company would own the copyright), or was it done on his own time, or was this actually footage owned by a TV studio that someone at the video production company got their hands on?
In any case, the NFL is the LAST group to have a legitimate claim on the copyright here -- and the people who WOULD have a claim likely aren't in any position to make that claim.
Thus, even if the NFL bought the video, they'd still have to get permission from the copyright holder(s) before they could do anything with it.
Thus, copyright has basically made this recording illegal to present/sell/share with the public, no matter who has their hands on it.
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The rightsholders? Can do!
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Generous...in your opinion.
The tapes are worth more than that.
So, unless the NFL's willing to cough up a little more, nobody profits.
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This is the most complete record, nay sole known surviving record of any substance of the first championship of the modern era of the most popular sport in the United States of America.
It is easily worth hundreds of thousands of dollars, and quite likely millions. Yet you think a measly $30,000 is generous? That's a mere year's pay at $15 per hour for a standard 40 hour work week. It's the price of a nice, but not too nice new car. And you think that's generous?
Especially when the one making the offer is the multi-billion dollar industry that is the NFL? 30k dollars is pocket change to them. Hell, it's a rounding error in the contracts for some of the players, much less the budget for just one entire team.
$30 million would be generous. $30 thousand is just an insult.
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but *then* IF the nfl were in that position, you KNOW whatevs would talk out the other side of his ass and blather on about 'whatever the market would bear', 'their right to set the price', blah blah blah, bullshit bullshit bullshit...
dog almighty you are a disgusting authoritarian...
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The blame is still on copy protection laws for lasting so long that many years later there are no other remaining copies left. If it weren't for copy protection laws people could have made and distributed other copies without worrying about infringement and there could be other copies everywhere.
When copy protection laws last so insanely long it maybe left up to the copy protection holder to preserve the content until it reaches the public domain since no one else is allowed to make copies to preserve it and by the time it does reach the public domain all legal distributions maybe in poor condition. and that assumes the copy protection holder chooses to even release a copy by then. But why should society be at the mercy of the copy protection holder to decide if they want to preserve it for future generations? Why should society be at the mercy of the copy protection holder's effort (or poor effort or lack of effort) to preserve it? Why should the discretion of the copy protection holder to decide the extent they wish to preserve and redistribute something to future generations even be a factor? It should not. We should be allowed to preserve it through making our own copies. Copy protection laws are absolutely to blame.
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After all, it's an illegal, infringing copy, no?
So, instead of 'promoting the arts and sciences', the copyright law would in this case actually do the exact opposite!
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Do this
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Wait, what?
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Two words: fee shifting.
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Given that clips exist, it seems that the game was indeed fixed in tangible form at the time (and then later thrown away, but that doesn't affect copyright.)
Not sure if lack of registration meant there was no copyright - it wouldn't today, but the laws were different then. But maybe they did register it.
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Example: Someone forgot to attach the notice to the original Night of the Living Dead. That made it public domain and is why it is available for cheap and frequently packaged in multi-movie horror packs. Hell, I got a DVD copy once that just happened to come with a CD of Halloween music.
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No, it didn't. It really didn't. The Berne Convention Implementation Act 1988 is what brought automatic copyright to the States.
Before then, it needed a registration and notice or it was public domain.
Wrong again. Before then, you had the UCC so all that a work required was a properly formatted and affixed copyright notice with registration only upon the optional renewal.
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In 1967, the law was 28 & 28 (with renewal)...only if you sent a copy of the item to be copyrighted to the Library of Congress along with a registration fee.
Since no copy was sent by the NFL to the Library of Congress, there's no copyright claim.
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As others have pointed out, if the guy who shot the footage never showed anybody outside of his friends and family, then he or his heirs still have a legitimate copyright. Why is it always that this Brit knows US copyright law better than so many of the American commenters on this site?
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Meanwhile, the Harley that Fonda rode in Easy rider, can be reproduced, may not be one of a kind, for $1 to $2 mil.
Yea not even close as an offer. If were the seller, I would say $3 million min.
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rich people's status toy, now...
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The NFL seems to have a problem with videotapes
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Fixed Form?
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I'm confused
If it's the former, then he's the one who made all the artistic decisions (lighting, angle, zoom, etc). The NFL may have a better case in the latter scenario. If they can reconstruct enough of the game, I could see a special edition DVD released in time for SB 50.
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Had al-Qaeda been a bit more savvy regarding American intellectual property law, they would not have neglected to declare ownership of all 9/11 video.
The terrorists would have had a revenue stream that certain copyright maximalist organizations would vigorously defend, to ensure that the War on Terror isn't used as an excuse to weaken copyright. For their protection, companies like Remove Your Media would allow them to issue DMCA takedown notices with total anonymity.
The NFL could teach them a thing or two.
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That's not even close to true.
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My understanding is that it would be the network who owned the copyright, just as it's the photographer, not the subject, who owns a photograph's copyright. But, depending on the contract at the time, it's possible that the network waived rights, assigned them to the production company if the work was not done by an in-house crew, signed them over to the NFL or some combination or alternative. It's also possible that, as suggested above, that the work is actually in the public domain under the copyright rules of the time.
But, realistically, any alternative to the NFL's claim will most likely need to be fought in court - and they have the expensive lawyers and money to fight for a long time. So even if they're wrong, we probably won't find out.
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I thought the photographer owned the copyright...
AC above does point out a valid differentiation, if the recording is of the TV broadcast, then it would be the NFL. In which case, the person has every expectation to destroy it and lose the content forever, since never should have existed in the first place. The NFL cannot coerce him to preserve it. Copyright for the win!
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The TV cameraman might have a claim on it. The TV network probably would have a stronger claim as a work for hire, especially if there were multiple cameras used.
If the network broadcast the game live, and didn't make a recording, then the person who made the fixed recording would also have a claim for the copyright.
It would be an interesting question to run through the courts. Anyone willing to make a few million dollars available to pay the lawyers?
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Don't feed the lawyers, they are the worse form of troll.
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A letter from 2020
Have you read: A Letter from 2020? I saw this a long time ago. I'm sure it was over a decade ago. Probably closer to 2000 when the DMCA and other atrocities were being considered.
It's no longer on the web. But here it is on the Wayback.
I'm quoting it here for posterity.
Considering the age of this letter, how much of it is coming true?
Now, to the relevant topic at hand. See the first sentence of paragraph 5.
I have pulled out "A letter from 2020" many times in various conversations because it has addressed many topics, like it does today. Most recently I brought this out in a different forum to mock the idea that music and movies could be patented. (2nd to last paragraph)
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It appears to be from 9/18/2000. About 14 years ago TODAY -- a pure coincidence!
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copyright
Would a court not laugh them out of the court if they could not produce what they are claiming copyright over.Surely the court must find that they deleted the only copy they had and that shows they were not claiming copyright over the video of the game as they destroyed all their copies.
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Better than a court precedent would be to get this into the copyright law.
If it's not worth saving, then it's not worth protecting.
If it's not worth saving, then you had no reason to believe it advanced the useful arts and science.
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Crowdsource it
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Just another greedy corporation
greedy bastards
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History
300 of the series LOST..
Found copies ALL OVER the world..
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I shall probably never get the chance. If, however, the Doctor ever shows up on my door and asks me where I want to go, you now know the first place I'm going =).
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"No, we own the copyright to that footage, but we'll buy it from you for $30,000.'
"So I can't show it to people?"
"No."
"OK then, I'll just destroy the only existing video copy of the world's first Super Bowl. I'm sure that the millions of football fans will be devastated when they learn that a copy of that existed, but that it could never be shown to them because of your copyright claim. I'm sure it won't reflect badly on the NFL at all."
"Umm, uh..."
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Surprised
Maybe NFL doesn't have access to MPAA's toadies?
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copyright?
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That's why he has to use her laptop to post on TechDirt and why Whatever needs to suck his peen so much.
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superbowl 1
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