Europe's New Digital Commissioner Explores Imposing An EU-Wide 'Google Tax'
from the not-learning-from-experience dept
Last week, Techdirt reported on the humiliating and inevitable climbdown by German publishers in their attempt to force Google to pay for daring to drive traffic to their sites by using snippets from their publications. Despite that abject failure, it seems that the European Union's new commissioner for the digital realm, Günther Oettinger, is thinking about bringing in exactly the same misguided idea across the whole of the European Union, as the Handelsblatt newspaper reports (translation by Pirate Party MEP Julia Reda):When Google is taking intellectual works from within the EU and using them, then the EU has to protect those works and demand a tax from Google.Coming from the person who is charged with reforming European copyright, this does not augur well. If Oettinger really thinks that such a tax is the way forward for copyright in the digital age, he is evidently as clueless about the Internet as everyone feared he was, after telling the European Parliament that celebrities storing nude pictures online are stupid.
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Wow, let's just de-index all Europe newspapers
Of course, these people wanting Google to pay a tax are also spending a lot of time/money on SEO to get Google to rank their content, too, right? Well, throw that money in the toilet when Google de-indexes you rather than pay that tax.
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Google may have no choice if the tax is made mandatory, which is what government tend to do.
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Then another search engine would step in and become dominant in Europe... but then the tax would be demanded of them and the cycle would repeat itself.
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Blatant moneygrabs are ridiculous.
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Or not. The German publishers gave Google a revocable license to use their content only to continue their fight in pinning monopoly charges on them. With politicians susceptible to this bullshit, there's a lot of damage to be expected.
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don't de-index, turn it on its head!
seems to solve IP problems, side steps an indexing tax for the IP, and grants EU papers the ability to control what google indexes and what it doesn't from their sites.
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Re: don't de-index, turn it on its head!
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I dont know if the EU has always been like this but right now things are pretty fukken weird
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The reality is that the politicians cannot do anything without securing enough accept from lobbyists. Lobbyists are the people running the circus in the parliament. In terms of google taxation it is a logical consequence of very limited economic capacity for the true grassroots supporting a free internet. The only thing that could loosen the noose around the politicians heads are forcible breakups of advertisement from Googles other services.
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How embarrassing.
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It seems that if the EU had a stupidity tax, the entire government would be bankrupt in less than five seconds.
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You give them to much credit
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I say this because no matter who wants to cut off their own nose to spite their face, stupid ideas have a way of becoming stupid laws, and we all end up paying for it if we don't speak up now.
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Haha! If it were just that then it wouldn't be a true Oettinger!
The Handelsblatt also write:
"A copyright fee would not only be paid by EU citizens but also by US companies like Google."
(note: work on translation skills)
So every EU citizen has to pay the tax because you know... you might infringe on something...somehow. But given (at least in Germany) we pay taxes for most sorts of storage(hd,usb,sdd...), printers and all the various discs and are still not allowed to copy anything, I assume even if all europeans pay the tax you still might not be allowed to copy the things you paid the tax for.
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If you think about it, it's really an all-around good deal. Just think of all the satisfaction and the sleep you'll be able to get at night knowing even if you somehow did commit an intellectual property offense, at least they couldn't stick it to you for tax evasion.
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Now which word in that sentence do you think this beaurocrat really cares about
Call it what it is, corporate law........laws for profit.......what kind of people are being elected
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Why Isn't TechDirt Celebrating This?
Yah gotta pay for the artists somehow. You either pay them piecemeal and you let society pay in bulk. Personally I like having the people direct their dollars to their favorite artists instead of letting some bureaucracy, but I get shouted down around here when I suggest that copyright is pretty cool.
Well, suck it up TechDirt. This is your DREAM come true. You've been saying that innovative schemes like this are just around the corner. Well, they're here now. Why aren't you dancing??????
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Strawman Bob Strikes Again
If you think or want to pretend for the sake of your jeers that such a tax would make the content legally free or practically free regardless of its legal status, you're being too consumed by your desire to be negative here to think straight.
If you think IP holders would ever accept any amount of a tax as the maximum limit of what they could charge for a product, you're still being silly.
How any government tax scheme to force Google to pay for giving publishers business translates into free content for the people and more money for the artists (instead of the publishers) is beyond me. I guess Bob's world is much more fast and loose with practical reality and filled with Techdirt voodoo dolls and dartboards.
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Think on that, and see why this proposal is about as sane as giving people with nut allergies free nuts.
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I guess I'm just not smart enough to figure out how you can be so ridiculously ignorant.
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"I get shouted down around here when I suggest that copyright is pretty cool."
Probably because you're one of the idiots who starts falsely accusing those you address of criminal activity. Maybe if you listened once in a while, you're realise that the complete abolition of copyright is not an aim of most people who comment here.
Copyright can be pretty cool if used correctly. The current system is broken, the terms terrible and the enforcement methods both unworkable and counter-productive while attacking innocent people. the suggestions here are usually ways to enforce and reform copyright to something both effective and fair.
That you can't understand why is a great indication of how much you read the actual opinions posted here. Strawmen are cool as well though, huh?
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Two points
2) How long will it take for Google decide it's not worth the hassle to put up with all this nonsense? They should just block all IP address in the EU and put up a page saying "Sorry, your lawmakers don't want us in the EU. Please get them to change the laws or use a VPN in the US."
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I predict that after Google simply removes all links in Europe from its results, that this will be the shortest tax in history.
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tax google out of the search biz
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Re: tax google out of the search biz
So, which magical search engine do you use that's not only better than Google's offerings, but whose search algorithms aren't used by companies trying to increase their traffic through link bait (that's right - the "bait site garbage" are provided by those sites, not Google). if it's as good as you say, why not recommend them?
Seriously, stop whining about Google and tell us what's better. Google got to where they are because they were better, not because people whined about Altavista until people changed just because.
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