Swedish Court: Wikipedia Hosting Photos Of Public Artwork Is Copyright Infringement For Some Reason
from the art-thou-crazy? dept
Wikimedia has, of course, a somewhat tortured history when it comes to copyright and artwork that appears on Wikipedia. Whether it's political logos, German museum art, and this goddamned monkey, Wikipedia often finds itself targeted over uploaded photos of artwork and copyright claims that too often appear to be either baseless or at cross-purposes with the world of art more generally. When you mix all of this up with a strange sense of entitlement by those who produce public art over how that art is photographed, the result is a Swedish court declaring that Wikipedia has violated copyright by hosting pictures of public Swedish statues.
The controversial judgement is a victory for the Visual Copyright Society in Sweden (Bildupphovsrätt i Sverige - BUS), which sued Wikimedia at Stockholm District Court for publishing photos of Swedish public sculptures and other public artworks without first getting permission from the artists.It also blatantly strains the boundries of common sense. The statues in this case are presented in Sweden in public, by my reading were commissioned as public works by artists who were paid for their efforts with taxpayer dollars, and the images for which were uploaded to Wikipedia by individual administrators for Wikipedia articles. The Swedish court appears to have twisted itself into a pretzel in order to generate this ruling.
“We are naturally very disappointed,” Wikimedia's Swedish operations manager Anna Troberg told The Local after the supreme court gave its guidance to the district court. “We view this as an anachronistic and restrictive interpretation of copyright laws. It also runs counter to recommendations from the European Court of Human Rights.”
In its judgement the supreme court affirmed that Swedish copyright law does permit members of the public to take pictures of public artworks. But, the court said, “it is different when it’s a database where artworks are made available to the public to an unlimited extent without copyright-holders receiving any remuneration. A database of this kind can be deemed to have a commercial value that is not inconsiderable,” the supreme court said in a statement. “The court rules that the copyright-holders have the right to absorb this value. It is not relevant whether or not Wikimedia has a commercial aim.”Just so everyone is clear, the court is saying that artists should receive compensation for the public art for which they've already been paid, so long as we're talking about pictures of that public art being stored in a database, as opposed to a person simply snapping a picture.
But where is the line between individuals taking pictures and creating "a database"? How does it suddenly become copyright infringement for a non-profit entity like Wikipedia to host these images on its servers, but it's not if you or I do so? Wikipedia has said that it will be consulting with its legal team to talk next steps, with the focus being on how to change the nature of the debate to zero in on how outdated the law and this ruling are, but when was it ever acceptable for taxpayer-funded art to be controlled by private interests?
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what about
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But Artists Need To Get Paid !
With public money?
Oh, but artists 'moral rights' are being violated.
What moral right? The right to censor a valuable database that anyone worldwide can use?
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Re: But Artists Need To Get Paid !
Multiple times. Through eternity. As long as the money comes to us intermediates and almost nothing go to the artists unless they sue, of course.
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The best chance to have the sculptures (and your country) known and you're killing it because of copyrights.
And yet, someone will tell me that the copyright's purpose is to foster knowledge blahblahblahblahblah.
Btw, does the swedish government pay every time someone visits their country because they saw an artwork on the net and decides that it wants to see in person?
Guess not.
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Love this part, apparently WikiPedia provides no value
This part is great. So a database, website, search mechanism, etc. provide no additional value. All of the value belongs to the copyright holder. This is the same mindset that movie studios and music labels have, that the content is 100% of the value and the platform that brings this content to the consumer provides no value. Frankly I think the net should be scrubbed of all of this stuff and let it no longer be spoken of. When nobody comes to see the artwork, listen to the music or watch the movie, the creators will be clamoring for some way to get notices.
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Supreme Court
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Those poor sick pits
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uploaded to Wikipedia by individual administrators for Wikipedia articles
First of all, any registered user can upload a photograph, not just admins. Second of all, most photos are uploaded to Wikimedia Commons rather than English Wikipedia, so that they can be used on other language Wikipedias or other Wikimedia projects.
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My mother makes a scrapbook of every vacation she goes on
Guess we'll have to take Sweden off the list of places that are acceptable tourism destinations.
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Auction house catalogs
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After all, someone could conceivably be making oodles off of selling a book of "Statues of Sweden", for which the presumed sculptors would get a presumed kickback.
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Re: But Artists Need To Get Paid !
i suppose it is possible the public could pay the artist's and yet the artist have a contract to retain all rights, blah blah blah... how that works on a so-called public work of art, then seems totally at odds with the very concept...
BUT, that still obviates the idea of OTHER individuals taking their own pictures of public art, and how THAT becomes the property of the original artist...
i don't get it as a matter of law and/or equity...
is it just they are greedtards ? ? ?
seems to be...
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Out Of Satan's Anus
Intellectual slavery.
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"It is different because we say so"
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Re: But Artists Need To Get Paid !
- The right to be identified as the creator of the work.
- The right to prevent the use of the artist's name on any work which the artist did not create.
- The right to preserve the integrity of the work from mutilation or distortion.
So that would cover things like:
- The artist's name should be attached to the metadata associated with any picture of it on Wikipedia.
- Nobody may use photographs of the artwork to, say, push a political agenda which the artist does not agree with.
All stuff that Wikipedia could easily abide by, and probably does already, and are not the subject of this case.
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Taxpayer krona, surely? :)
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Re: My mother makes a scrapbook of every vacation she goes on
It doesn't help the ruling very much though. It's still the false doctrine of lost sales to assume that every person who views a public sculpture on Wikipedia would have purchased a photo or a replica of the sculpture.
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Re: The best chance to have the sculptures (and your country) known and you're killing it because of copyrights.
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Or what they can do is ask for permission. If an author denies permission they should simply state in the article where the picture would appear that the image is not visible because the author or publisher (name names) refuses to give permission and while permission may or may not be needed depending on jurisdiction and fair use Wikipedia would like to avoid any potential lawsuits. If people know who is a jerk and who isn't about having an image on Wikipedia at least they can better know who to avoid giving business to (then you will have people and companies suing Wikipedia claiming they are hurting their business ... no, it's the business's own decision to abuse copy protection laws that's hurting their own business. People and organizations have a right to express the behavior of a business so that others can choose not to do business with them and I have the right to avoid any business or entity that abuses copy protection laws and to know about their abuse of these laws).
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Big service providers were partially being considered when the DMCA was written. They have their exemption (and I think the exemption is a good thing) though the DMCA still poses a huge cost for them to keep up with and so they weren't being fully considered.
Disney and other similar organizations were being considered. The laws are one sided in favor of a distributor that wants content removed and the laws do not allow one person to pretend to represent Disney when they really don't.
The artists (ie: artists are the ones that upload content) are hardly taken into consideration. The penalty structure is stacked very strongly against them. If someone falsely claims 'ownership' their content the system strongly encourages the content to first be removed before the artist must later prove that they in fact do own the content under penalty of perjury. The person falsely claiming to own the content is not under penalty of perjury and the penalty structure is very much stacked in favor of the person making the false takedown claim even if they are wrong.
This is unlike real property laws where the burden is on the person claiming to own something that's not in their possession to prove that they own it before any action can be taken against the property.
But IP laws are what you get when sociopathic corporations get to undemocratically write laws with no consideration from anyone else.
IP laws strongly reflect the fact that it is big business (with money) that has the most influence in writing laws. Copy protection lengths and retroactive extensions shows a lack of public consideration and it shows a strong consideration for the distributors that lobbied for these extensions. The one sided penalty structure against artists that upload their works shows a lack of artist (and public) consideration. The DMCA exemptions for service providers shows a business consideration for those service providers that have money to buy representation. The representation that's lacking in these laws is public and artist representation.
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'ownership' of their content *
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is it all photos now?
"I hear Google Earth also has some photos of Public works, and they've got loads of cash"
"Cha Ching!!!"
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Re: is it all photos now?
A city with a bunch of blurred images on Google maps would look ugly anyways, isn't the whole point of having a monument or statute to decorate the city so that it looks better and attract businesses and citizens? Blurring everything out will degrade the appearance of the city in a bad way but it won't reflect badly on Google.
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e.g. Portlandia
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Re: e.g. Portlandia
And best of all the grant-granting department gets paid to assess proposals, the contract for preparing the public space for the artwork gets handed out to someone on a particular political campaigns' donors list, same with the contracts for moving and warehousing the newly 'protected' art. All working as designed, and everybody gets paid except the artists.
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Who's the copyright holder?
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Re: Who's the copyright holder?
In the US, this would not be true. You would have to have the creator of the work explicitly sign the rights over to you.
This most commonly burns people who get their family photos taken at a professional studio -- they assume that they own the pictures they paid for. But they don't, the photographer does.
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Wrong
Some things are just wrong.
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