Annoying Windows 10 Update Request Highlights Its Annoying-Ness On Live Weather Broadcast
from the ten-percent-chance-of-hilarious dept
Since its launch, Windows 10 has received its fair share of criticism, mostly revolving around the very valid privacy concerns that the megalithic company has chosen to shrug off as mere noise from the peanut gallery. Now, I have more than one machine at home, and I have upgraded some of them and have chosen not to upgrade others. Because of this, I am victim of Microsoft's quite regular insistence that I upgrade everything I own to Windows 10, which presents itself in the form of a popup. This popup tells me that Microsoft thinks it knows what I should do better than I do and offers me two glorious options: upgrade to 10 immediately or schedule the upgrade to run at a different time in the future. Closing the popup satisfies it...for a while. Then it pops up again, because there's no option to tell Microsoft to boil its new operating system in water and screw off.But what's a minor annoyance for me can be something altogether different for others. Say, for instance, a live newscast just trying to give its viewers the weather.
Yes, the annoyance that is this popup gets the spotlight treatment on live television, successfully sending the weather forecast askew as it interrupts the broadcast. Is it a funny little occurrence? You betcha. Does meteorologist Metinka Slater deal with the whole thing in stride? Mostly, I guess. But it's the obviously planned lack of options Microsoft's request presents that should piss people off here.
As always the annoying window offered two choices — ‘Upgrade now’, or ‘Start download, upgrade later’. Slater wisely chose neither option and switched to another video source instead.The point is that Microsoft's bull-headed attempt to push its latest operating system on the public wouldn't be so blatant if it simply allowed people, including newsrooms, to shut it the hell up. But that truly is probably asking too much.
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The weather forecast
GWX Control Panel FTW.
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Turning off window upgrade adverts isn't easy.
You can tell when Microsoft messes up when a nice engineer has to make a nice utility which becomes common practice for everyone to use.
Like the Windows 8 start-up menus.
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Re: How to turn off microsoft's notice
http://www.ubuntu.com/desktop
then, once you have Linux, you'll only ask yourself why you didn't change over earlier - like a decade ago.
Why pay for software? Why be held ransom by a company? With Windows 7, you owned the product, kinda. If you upgrade to WinX, the first thing you find is the EULA telling you that you don't own it, you are merely a 'user' on 'a system'. So, in effect, it's like someone coming in your garage, taking your car, giving you a lease car, and then telling you that at anytime they like, they can search it, rummage through anything in it, or just take it away from you.
Take back your software OWNERSHIP, ditch the NSA-Micro-Junk, and get an OS you own once again.
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TBH, though, I'm okay with Windows. It works better for me than Linux ever did and probably ever can for the foreseeable future.
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I don't have time to waste on half-finished crap, which will always be half-finished, because it's created by programmers without QA teams.
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You mean Windows?
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What you say about games still has some truth to it, but it isn't nearly as true as it used to be, and the situation is constantly improving.
But saying it "can't actually do anything because all the programs are written for Windows" is simply incorrect. The vast majority of things you can do with Windows you can do with Linux. And there's a number of things you can do with Linux that you can't do with Windows (at least not without great difficulty).
In the end, this is no different than any other tech choice: it depends on your particular situation. In my experience, the majority Windows users could switch to Linux without losing functionality. Whether or not that's something they should so is impossible to say without knowing their situation.
However, for those who really don't want to get onto Microsoft's Windows 10 train, Linux is likely to provide a perfectly acceptable alternative.
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...or on Apple's, if you don't mind going from bad to worse. But it's hardly "very specialized things;" most of the most fundamental content creation tools simply aren't available. There's no Photoshop on Linux and no alternative to it, for example. (Some people who have never actually used both Photoshop and GIMP suggest GIMP as an alternative. Those who are actually familiar with both programs are much more likely to use it as support for my position. It's that bad.)
Let's pretend, for a moment, that the "you" in question is not me, lifelong computer programmer, but rather John Q. Person, who sees computers as a tool to use rather than a thing to tinker with. How confident are you in that statement, and particularly in its relevance to things that I would actually ever care about doing?
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It depends on what you think I said. I was talking here about specialty applications (which seems fair in the context of this discussion.)
If we're talking about the sorts of use that the average computer user cares about, then the criticisms of both Linux and Windows that we've aired here don't apply anyway.
I've shifted a fair number of average computer users to Linux, and with a single exception, every one of them has been happy.
The only serious downside to Linux that I can see is the game issue, but that's not an issue at all for lots of people.
I just want to be clear here: I'm not a Linux evangelist. I believe in using the tool that helps you the best. If that's Windows, then fantastic! I have no problem.
However, to broadly say that Windows is the superior choice or that Linux is inferior (or the stronger way you put it: completely worthless) is simply, objectively, incorrect.
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And there are a lot of games that don't run under Windows either.
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What?
Gimp, Krita, Blender, Inkscape, Synfig Studio, Art of Illusion, Pencil, Darktable, Delaboratory, Fotoxx, Fracplanet, Hugin, Makehuman, Meshlab, MyPaint, Rawtherapee, Tupi, Ufraw, Wings3d, Just to name some of the photo and arts orientated 2d and 3d software available for Linux. Unlike Adobe creative suite, these are not tied to cloud services, with the risk of them disappearing suddenly.
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So the natural evolution of these operating systems if they started having a mass influx of users would be to start engineering them to protect the user from themselves.
Look, I get it. I don't like Microsoft either. However, there's being 'right' and being 'realistic'. Telling people's grandparents to switch to linux is just not realistic.
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I think that what Skeeter was saying is that if you find Windows 10 too objectionable, Linux provides an escape route. I don't think he was saying to go out and forcibly switch other people who aren't having a problem.
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If they can't find the start button it sounds like they're already using an unfamiliar OS.
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Yes, I got a good laugh out of it. Nice recovery on the part of the weathercaster.
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Upgrades
> Microsoft's request presents that should piss people off
> here.
Apple has started doing this with its iOS also. Every day I'm interrupted with a pop-up on my iPhone which tells me there's a new version of the OS waiting for me and I'm given the option of either "Install Now" or "Later". If you choose "Later", it brings up another pop-up that says "Install Tonight" or "Remind Me Later". The latter option just resets the clock for 24 hours and the process starts all over again.
Nowhere is there a "I'll Upgrade When I Decide I Want to And Not Until Then, Now Shut the Fuck Up And Leave Me Alone" option.
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I have one Android device that I can't root, and I do get upgrade notices for that one, but they aren't intrusive: I get a single popup, then an icon in just sits in the action bar forever.
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Look, I understand that every version of the OS adds security features and what not, but if my phone is running fine for me, why do I need to upgrade? And why does Apple need to nag me every single day?
Where's the "stop nagging me" button?!
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Exactly the marketing Microsoft deserves.
This disruption of your event brought to you by MICROSOFT WINDOWS 10 GET IT NOW! Y/N
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FTFY.
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Actually no.
The process of removing the icon and the pop-ups is enumerated on the web in multiple places. Then there is the GWX Control Panel worthy of much praise and glorification.
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There's an app for this problem
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I have a 14-Terrabyte 64-bit server powered by Ubuntu that I think I might have $500 total invested in (took me about 3-hours to build the hardware like I wanted). It isn't rocket science, it's just that microjunk has the mass-public so scared of changing, they won't consider it further. GREAT CORPORATE STRATEGY, foolish clientele.
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When it came out that Windows 10 likes to play police informant...
Probably a good idea at any public router.
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Some thoughts on Windows 10
I like the Windows 10 UI better than Windows 8.1 but still prefer Windows 7 to either of them. My primary complaint is that I have no control over when it downloads updates. I don't want it downloading updates while I'm in a coffeeshop trying to look something up on Google Maps. I want it downloading updates when I am at home on my own connection after I go to bed.
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Also recommended under "annoying Windows 10 'features'"
"Yes you've already told me two hundred times. I get it. Now f*ck off!"
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Poor Corporate America
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Just upgrade already, sheesh
This doesn't just happen for consumer computers, your IT department - if wise - has scanned your devices for malware or misconfigured settings to ensure they work on their network in a secure fashion.
What Microsoft collects on Windows 10, they more than likely did on Windows 8, Windows 7 and Windows Vista as well but with the state of privacy concerns they now publicize the fact. Remember those .sqm collections from older windows systems, that was telemetry.
If you want better hardware with more stable software running on it, telemetry is how companies make that happen on a large scale even inside your company by your IT department.
It's a non-issue for me.
Whoever wanted details about me, doesn't need to look on my machine, public records like what property you own, what car you drive, who and when you were married, et is all there on government servers for anyone to abuse. Electively using Google or Yahoo or Bing or using any of their browsers you are giving them data about you.
Use a VPN, you probably were added to a list to keep an eye on by some government agency; by Netflix who because of licensing by the media companies needs to lock out those VPNs.
To make a fuss about Microsoft trying to give away a more stable and feature rich version of an operating system, which in turn makes support easier and helps the OEMs focus on computer builds seems highly counter productive.
This all started with a certain Valve exec hating on the coopetition (cooperation/competition) by trying to define what an Operating system should be, meaning no stores so Steam can be your preferred store, heck Steam is trying to build an OS to "lock you"/bring you into their store on a variant of Linux - serious irony there.
The muck tossed around is FUD, fear uncertainty and doubt. It's being used against Microsoft to drive eyeballs to sales and tracking elsewhere. It's meaningless in the greater scheme.
What interests me and that bigger scheme comes down to applications I want that work - that has been and will for many years be a Windows system, in this case Windows 10. The stuff I want to use just doesn't come on an Apple or Linux variant.
Win10 doesn't crash on me, the applications and especially the games are there, many of which I purchased and downloaded using Steam. Upgrading from Windows 7 and Windows 8 then 8.1 to Windows 10 was hassle free on my families machines. Click and pretty much walk away for a bit and it was set to go with the updated applications I had installed working.
The way Microsoft has handles this isn't perfect, but the process works, just look at the hundreds of millions of machines updated already.
The real question is, why didn't the TV station press okay and upgrade to begin with? Is a driver for their video card multiple screen display not available for Windows 10 or did F.U.D. cause this station to become the news?
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"If you want better hardware with more stable software running on it, telemetry is how companies make that happen on a large scale even inside your company by your IT department." We dont collect your browsing history, searches etc.
Windows 7 & 8 have been more than stable and windows 10 asks the user to give up a lot more than it's "new" functions are worth.
"The way Microsoft has handles this isn't perfect, but the process works, just look at the hundreds of millions of machines updated already." Free. Thats why. If it were $249 retail and 169 OEM do you think the adoption rate would be so high? Do you think if it wasn't being pushed night and day the adoption rate would be so high? Of course it wouldn't.
"The real question is, why didn't the TV station press okay and upgrade to begin with? Is a driver for their video card multiple screen display not available for Windows 10 or did F.U.D. cause this station to become the news?" One would think that the TV stations IT would have had GP in place to block the update. I have an AD setup at home and one of my devices, my wife's, was getting the popup although GP was appearing to apply correctly. At work we have had a few machines as well. So... wonder of wonders not all things work as expected. Who'da thunk.
One of my clients deals with HIPAA and they are never going to switch to 10 because:
1. The uncertainty of what gets collected and sent to Microsoft and its partners.
2. Their clients are telling them not to as a condition of their contracts.
Windows10 is a security vulnerability by design through and through. It's an advertising platform disguised as an OS.
The only box in my house that will have it is the gaming rig for DX12. I don't do anything else on that machine but play games.
OldSystemsLeaveYouInsecure Really? Because the new one does a pretty good job of it as well.
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It's a non-issue for me."
What your company does is beside the point. The issue with Windows 10 isn't that it does telemetry -- it's that you can't turn the telemetry off if you don't want it. That makes Windows 10 spyware.
"The real question is, why didn't the TV station press okay and upgrade to begin with?"
Perhaps, like a lot of people, they don't want to run Windows 10?
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We don't like what it is, 'more than likely' related to old telemetry or not.
>If you want better hardware with more stable software running on it, telemetry is how companies make that happen on a large scale even inside your company by your IT department.
Mayhaps so, but it is also the company taking data off your computer in a process that isn't understood or clarified by the company. What are you going to do, not use an OS to run your windows apps?
>It's a non-issue for me.
It's an issue from me. Microsoft should tell us exactly what these automatic remote packets contain, and how to disable the sending if needed.
>Whoever wanted details about me, doesn't need to look on my machine, public records like what property you own, what car you drive, who and when you were married, et is all there on government servers for anyone to abuse. Electively using Google or Yahoo or Bing or using any of their browsers you are giving them data about you.
You are beginning to sound like that 'I have nothing to hide, so who cares if they look' response to what is essentially spycraft. Some of us like and uphold the idea of personal data privacy.
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Telemetry data is actually ok and I generally don't mind to help by enabling such things when I actually fully trust who is behind the software. Microsoft has yet to earn a good portion of trust they have been steadily losing before I allow such thing. And it should be OPT IN. They can actively ask me to opt in in the setup process but they cannot or at least should not force it.
But the problem with W10 goes beyond mere telemetry. It's been stated they are collecting other unrelated data for advertising purposes. Again, this would be a non-issue if it was opt in like the above. And if they actually respected when you turn these things off. There's plenty of evidence they don't care. On W7 such systems were forced in recently. And they started using a system that's designed to deliver security updates and important stuff as a way to deliver malware. I mean, force 'telemetry' and advertisement profiling. So yes, while I do agree that W10 runs smoother in my machine, is generally more stable and the likes it has a very problematic privacy issue.
And of course there's this idiocy of being obnoxious about updates. If it's going to support W7 till 2020 or something then there's NO need to update now. Why force? Because they want to be Apple and control everything and W10 is moving towards this. Any developer should be very worried with the path Microsoft is moving with their Windows Store. Win32 style programs will be dead before you know it. Maybe this will finally be the push needed to get Linux mainstream?
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Its almost as if the TLAs have gotten their spyware into Window 10, and are now pressuring Microsoft to get everybody to upgrade so that they can spy on them.
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Of course, if you like being jerked around -- and some people do -- just bend over and take whatever they give you. As you can see, they have control over your machine.
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Options - EUA
We own you.
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Block a few updates, that's it
You can prevent that window from appearing without any flaky third party tools.
1) Turn off recommended updates. They are easy enough to research and apply on your own, if you choose, while not leaving you vulnerable to security issues.
2) Uninstall and hide all of the following updates:
KB2952664
KB3035583
KB3075249
KB3080149
KB3123862
KB3147071
3) As you update in the future, make sure you don't install the above, they will be italicized if they appear again.
4) Done!
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6) Hope Microsoft never decides to bundle a Windows 10 installer with a critical security update.
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But, it's a line they've crossed already.
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#6 you can't do much about, but if/when it happens, it's a rare event, and you can always remove the KB later.
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The time limit is probably just a marketing gimmick.
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Turning off Windows 10 updates...
These have been documented since before Win10 was released, and they work fine (I use them in my development VMs, which for obvious reasons must not be upgraded). If you trust me, you can simply import this .reg file, and it'll disable the nags for you.
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Right click on icon in Notification Panel, Check your upgrade status, on the top left of the window that opens is a button that expands into a side menu, in Confirm Reservation there is the option to cancel the upgrade, the icon is still in the panel but it stops the notifications. This works in 8.1 anyway.
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Steve Gibson Never10
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Solution is simple really
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Sometimes I like their upgrades. Sometimes I do not. I want support and updates, yes. But I don't want them to completely redesign the system under my nose. ("material design") And if I do want that, then it should at least be an option, not force fed.
I can understand iPhone sheep just taking it without question.
Just get ${insert-disease-here} and move on with your lives.
I'm glad I've run Linux since 1999. I'll have Windows 10 forced upon me at work soon enough.
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Consider, that any other company that tried this would be dead-in-the-water in days, but because everyone thinks they are held-hostage by WinJunk, they keep suffering Microjunk's abuse. Now, FYI, there IS a free solution that is old, stable, and yet more solid than ANY microjunk product that has ever come out - and YOU can KEEP it as YOUR OWN for as long as you want! If you do a features check of Windows against linux, you'll find that Windows doesn't begin to compare.
Compare lifecycle, virus vulnerability, stability, size, hardware endurance and many other features, Windows can't begin to compete. It competes in the home market because, well, you only know how to click a 'YES' button. That is the nutshell capture of Winjunk - make it dirt simple, and hide the evil behind a cute window icon with a 40-page EULA the sheep aren't going to read (why else put the YES button for acceptance at the top of page 1? Because if they put a YES button on every 80th line, and lured people into reading that nightmare, they might not get all to accept it willingly).
Finally, if Windows is so great, why does the world's internet, corporate databases, large infrastructures and more, run on Linux? Price may be attractive (as in FREE), but in the end, it's because Winjunk just can't function at an acceptable level to be dependable! If this were not true, then explain away the truth with facts, not Microjunk propaganda.
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Got to /Windows/System32 and find a folder called GWX. Rename or delete this folder (I renamed it to GWX_is_malware).
Windows can't find and run the GWX tray popup anymore, and keeps quiet for a while. Though, it may come back if you install the wrong update.
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http://blog.ultimateoutsider.com/2016/03/gwx-control-panel-release-notes-and.html?m=1
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win10 sucks
Win10? No way, no how, never. Ms can KMA.
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EULA Translation
1. You have NO rights to anything. We own it all and suffer you to use it...maybe.
2. You paid big bucks to get it, but that's all you get.
3. Tech support? We don't need no stinkin' Tech Support! We spent megabucks to install a voicemail system that is guaranteed to piss off anybody and make them go away in disgust. We don't want to hear from you...EVER.
4. Warranty - doesn't exist. What you see is what you get. If the kluge works, great. If it doesn't, tough. If the software blows up your machine and burns down your house, tough. WE AIN'T RESPONSIBLE - PERIOD.
5. If you live in a state that doesn't allow such things, have fun. We've got far more money and many more lawyers than you'll ever have. Guess who's gonna win, after you're totally broke?
6. Oh yeah. We reserve the right to send anything on your machine to Redmond and shut your machine down whenever we feel like it, licensed or not. WE OWN YOU.
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Originally posted by me 6/7/2010:
http://www.techtalkz.com/software-releases/520932-license-agreements.html
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Not true. If you uninstall the Windows Update package that does this, and tell Windows Update never to download that update, it doesn't prompt you anymore. I did that on mine. Mind you, it took a full afternoon and three different attempts by the computer to start the Win10 thing before I cleaned all of it out. Rather like getting rid of a virus, honestly.
Microsoft has seen the last of my money.
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Mandatory Windows
And all of these will occur in the future, and you will be forced to use them.
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Remember that these keys are documented by Microsoft, unlike the other methods, which to me look some people just looked at what's happening in the system, then trying to block that from happening without consulting any documentation (which admittedly is how much of Windows development is apparently done, at least if you look at all the workarounds that have to be in Windows to keep old software working).
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I never claimed that it has happened, so I'm not sure why you're asking for proof of that. I'm just pointing out these things:
A: Windows Update can update the registry (I think this is true though I haven't verified)
B: Windows can be configured to automatically install whatever updates Microsoft chooses (I think this is the default configuration)
Given these facts, if a system is so configured it naturally follows that Microsoft can undo your solution whenever it wants. Will they do so? How much do you trust them not to?
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Basically, you edit the registry. When your system won't let you, for whatever reason, there's a handy free download of a control panel you can use that gives you full control over your PC, i.e. you can choose to upgrade later if you want to. I've used and reviewed it, and recommend it. Details here.
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