Cable Company Admits It Gives Poor Credit Score Customers -- Even Worse Customer Service
from the from-bad-to-worse dept
As I've noted a few times, telecom sector investor conferences are amusing for the simple fact that many cable executives -- notably those of the old guard -- haven't yet figured out that what they say at them can be heard by the general public. As a result we'll often see companies make candid statements they'd never say otherwise, forcing PR departments to then try and backpedal away from the comments.The latest case in point is Phoenix-based cable provider Cable One (formerly owned by the Washington Post), whose CEO crowed to attendees of an investor conference last month that the company has figured out a way to identify poor credit customers and somehow provide them with even worse customer service than the cable sector usually provides:
"According to company CEO Thomas Might, the Phoenix, Ariz.-based MSO has deployed a "very rigorous FICI credit scoring process" on its video customers since 2013. "We don't turn people away," Might said, but the cable company's technicians aren't going to "spend 15 minutes setting up an iPhone app" for a customer who has a low FICO score. "What we found is that through lifestyle and billing analysis, we could start to pinpoint where churn and bad debt was coming from, and credit scoring started to be a really good test," Might said.Again, that's a cable executive bragging that he's now identifying you based on your credit score, and then refusing to give you quality support if you score doesn't meet an entirely non-transparent standard at the company. While the CEO failed to detail just how deep the practice goes at CableONE, there's several problems with this, not least of which is the fact that many people with bad credit scores may be born into such scores by no fault of their own. And many of those customers may pay their bill every month -- yet under such a system would still find themselves being treated as a second-class citizen, refused even a standard level of customer service.
I spoke to several telecom sector lawyers that had mixed opinions on whether or not this is illegal. I came away with the general impression that while you might be able to hold a company to legal account for targeting customers in this way, such a case would be a steep uphill climb. Still, many of them argued that the practice was no less ugly, in that it could tend to unfairly single out communities of color:
"The use of credit score to screen potential customers is already a barrier to home internet adoption that disproportionately impacts communities of color," says Free Press Research Director S. Derek Turner. "But what Cable ONE is apparently doing takes this to a much more dangerous territory. Because there are systemic biases that impact the credit scores of communities of color, Cable ONE is in essence adopting a policy that will result in inferior service for customers based solely on the biased credit score metric, and as a consequence, people of color will disproportionately receive this inferior service," he added."Consumer advocate and telecom lawyer Harold Feld notes that as the FCC pursues new privacy rules for broadband customers, it's possible that the rules could cover potential discrimination of this type:
"The FCC has an ongoing proceeding to apply Section 222 (47 U.S.C. 222) to broadband. For those unfamiliar with the statute, Section 222 prohibits a provider of a “telecommunications service” from either disclosing information collected from a customer without a customer’s consent, or from using the information for something other than providing the telecom service. While most of us think this generally means advertising, it means a heck of a lot more than that — as illustrated by this tidbit from Cable One.ISPs opposing the FCC's broadband privacy push have tried to argue that the FCC is unfairly singling out ISPs while ignoring the data collected by the likes of Google and Facebook, which companies like Verizon and Comcast hope to increasingly compete with on the ad front. However, this (usually quite intentionally) ignores the dramatically different, uncompetitive nature of last-mile broadband versus more competitive internet services markets. Feld argues that the CableONE efforts perfectly illustrate how broadband customers can't vote with their wallets or flee to less privacy-intrusive companies, often because the cable company will be the only competitor in town:
"While broadband providers want to make this an argument about competition with other advertisers, Cable One shows us how broadband providers can — and do — use information obtained from customers for much darker, harmful purposes. Google can certainly obtain enough information about you to get your FICO credit score. That’s certainly bad and a privacy violation. In theory, however, I can use things like encryption and flushing cookies to protect myself from Google — or even avoid Google entirely. In the case of my broadband provider, I have no choice. I must turn over to my provider information usable in obtaining a FICO credit score to my broadband provider so my provider can actually come out to my house, activate my connection, and bill me on a regular basis."So at the end of the day, a cable executive bragging about his company's plans to use credit scores to provide worse support -- may find himself a cornerstone of the FCC's broadband privacy rulemaking process. If there's a positive side to the whole affair, it's that cable customer service is so aggressively abysmal already, it might just be physically impossible for cable companies to do any worse.
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Filed Under: broadband, credit scores, customer service, fico scores, thomas might
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two words
What he said!
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Credit scores can change
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There are, but they only use by the poorly educated, those who want to appear poorly educated, or just plain do not care about grammar.
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Either best troll ever or proving its own point.
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So Cable One has a new department
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I wouldn't setup an iPhone app for anyone either ..
Someone needs to pass a note to Feld that the middle 90's called and they want their security blanket of encryption and cookie flushing back.
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Wait, what?
I've been a Comcast internet customer (no choice; they're the only game in town) ever since I moved into my current apartment. At no time has a Comcast technician ever had to come over for any reason.
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If you are in an apartment in a house, that's different...
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Cat owners may giggle over this one. In my case it's an apartment in an apartment.
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Having a tech come to activate TV/Internet/Phone is standard operating procedure for Comcast and houses now. The difference probably is that you're in an apartment.
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Wait till they add quantum physics...
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Credit history is not disproportionate based on color
That said, if they are paying their bill, they are entitled to equal service.
If they are behind on their payments, then, yeah, maybe put them to the back of the queue.
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Re: Credit history is not disproportionate based on color
Not to mention the billions in over-priced, under-powered services we pay monthly...
fuck Big Telco with a sideways pineapple...
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Re: Credit history is not disproportionate based on color
Well, that or a record of what someone has done with your Social Security number, name, address, etc.
I was once denied a loan refinance because I carried too much debt. I owned a home, two cars that were paid off, and no credit card debt, but was told I owned two homes, five cars, three of which I was still paying off, and an RV which I owed a considerable amount on, and thus was living well beyond my means.
Someone at the credit agencies had added my records and my father's records (despite having different names) together and I now had all of his credit, as well as my own, under my name.
And he had no issues buying cars or refinancing loans because he had perfect credit. Luckily a call to the agencies, and a lawyer, fixed all the issues (eventually.)
There are just way too many screw-ups on the part of the credit reporting agencies to believe that it is a record of anything you have done.
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Self Fulfilling?
Seems pretty obvious where the exec is getting his churn and burn issues from. Why would anyone stay if they are dumped on.
He is causing his own problem.
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Will this be the point where Congress realizes,
I imagine somebody at Equifax is instructing BJ's, learjet rides and Cuban cigars be withheld from Congress as we speak.
What is a poor Congressman to do? Accept bribes from the credit reporting companies, or accept bribes from the Cable providers? Or both? It must be very confusing.
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Comcast never pulled my credit or validated my ID
During the install process, at NO time did Comcast obtain my SSN or run my credit. I opted to have them verify my ID in person, but when the installer was here running wires, he never asked for my ID and I didn't sign anything.
They took me as a customer without having any actual idea who I was. I was shocked.
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Of course there might not be people who live up to the model, who might have horrible credit, but learned from that lesson and pay the bills quickly & on time. But we treat them the same as someone who just keeps walking away from bills.
Why waste time on treating consumers like individuals when we can just use this giant model based on data that is notoriously bad? We can save money & justify treating our customers like shit, because this magical number says it is okay. And we'll get away with it because we're allowed to be monopolies who get government handouts while screwing those people who end up paying us twice.
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Yet another great model
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Useless statutes - Section 222
It prohibits nothing. The key word is "consent", which every broadband provider grants itself in a paragraph buried in the user agreement.
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This reminds me of the plan to deny guns to No-Flyers
The presumption, of course, was that there was a well overseen fair process by which people became no-fly, and a reasonable means to get off the list.
There isn't anything of the sort. If some official or FBI guy wants you on the no-fly list, you're on and you're fucked.
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And not in a good way, either.
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