A Fan's Case For Putting Batman & Superman In The Public Domain
from the great-idea,-sadly-not-gonna-happen dept
Let me start by saying it's obvious that this isn't going to happen. Nevertheless, let's consider the idea: should DC put its flagship superheroes in the public domain? Alex Schmidt over at Cracked (the comedy site that has caught our attention with its understanding of these kinds of topics before) makes the compelling case that they should in a new video that's worth watching:
The crux of the argument is that these iconic characters currently appear to be in a bit of a death spiral. Man of Steel and Batman v. Superman met with a mixed-at-best response from fans and critics, and while both made good money in the big picture, they also showed some worrying signs — like failing to catch up to Marvel's superhero movies (which was the whole point) and breaking records of audience drop-off between the much-hyped opening night and the following week (when word begins to get around that the movie sucks). Schmidt is not the first to attribute this to the creators' disdain for the characters: Zack Snyder has openly expressed his lack of real interest in Batman and Superman, and made it clear that he doesn't really understand their appeal. Writer David Goyer has made similar comments. And the same people are already hard at work on the follow-up Justice League films, which seem unlikely to break the pattern of mediocrity.
So, the proposal goes, DC needs to do something drastic to revive the franchise, and the most drastic and positive thing they could do would be to put the characters into the public domain (where they were supposed to be as of a few years ago, were it not for the infamous Mickey Mouse copyright extension). Opening up the characters to other creators would result in a huge variety of new work involving them, and still wouldn't stop DC from working their own massive film franchise, especially by making use of all the later storylines and details about the characters that would still be under copyright.
Of course, there are a few problems with Schmidt's argument. He points to other big public domain characters like Robin Hood, Dracula and Sherlock Holmes, and cites Holmes especially as an example of a character who has been revived to massive popularity through adaptations by other creators. But that example is flawed, because Holmes only recently entered the public domain (mostly), and both the Robert Downey Jr. movies and the insanely popular BBC series actually did license Holmes from the Doyle estate. DC has even felt some of this pain itself — the video points to the League Of Extraordinary Gentlemen comics as a prime example of new creators using public domain characters, but those comics actually did face various release issues due to the questionable copyright status of Victorian-era characters including Holmes. Robin Hood and Dracula are both excellent examples though, and they chart a course for the direction Holmes is likely to go now that the estate's control has been eroded.
Now, as I said at the outset, this obviously isn't going to happen — it flies directly in the face of the copyright orthodoxy that rules Hollywood and so much of our culture. We can instead settle in for several more years of middling cash-grab films that irritate existing fans of the characters and fail to create new ones. But it's great to see a site like Cracked — a pillar of the fandom communities that fawn over these beloved superheroes and lend a serious critical eye to every execution of them — recognize that loosening the reins would be a much, much better idea.
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Just look at what they've actually done. Everyone hated Dawn of Justice for being way too dark and ugly. I think HISHE put it best: "He [Batman] killed people, and you [Superman] forgot to smile!" People came out of the theater with the strong impression that they'd just watched a couple of impostors pretending to be Superman and Batman, even though they obviously weren't.
The studio's response? They released an R-rated "special edition" with even more dark and ugly! That's simply showing outright contempt for the fans. As one reviewer I saw put it, (loosely paraphrased,) "I really hope this project fails, and fails hard. Don't get me wrong, I would absolutely love to see a well-done Justice League-based film universe. But that’s simply not what DC’s recent movies are setting up!"
At this point, I think Cracked might have the right idea. If the people who are supposed to be taking care of the characters are going to be this abusive, to them and to the fans, why should they not lose custody of them (to strain a metaphor somewhat) in favor of those who will love them rather than continue to harm them?
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We can say a word or two regarding this about Spiderman and how.. Meh, never mind.
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What, you don't believe me? OK then, which film am I talking about?
All is not well in our fantasy version of New York City; it's being terrorized by an insane supervillain! Our hero (who is an orphan) confronts him, only to be foiled by the villain, who takes the opportunity to preach his twisted philosophy that people are evil and wretched inside, and can't be relied upon.
As the conflict escalates, the villain ends up setting up a truly diabolical situation, forcing our hero to choose between saving the life of the woman he loves, or another target of great worth to the public. But in the end, he loses, not because of anything specific the hero does, but because his philosophy is defeated: when it comes down to it, given the opportunity, the people choose to be noble rather than give in to their baser urges. At this point, the hero's victory is simply a foregone conclusion.
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Superman is just boring and flawed. Not flawed as in being an imperfect character with depth. Just flawed as a lasting concept
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Superman is supposed to be the aspirational ideal hero that everyone looks up to. Okay, this might make the character himself had to write for, but maybe the focus should be on someone else
That's actually the premise for the Supergirl TV series: she's flawed and still learning how to be a hero, but Superman is her example.
The same argument could be made for the original idea behind Star Trek: The Next Generation. The main characters were supposed to be the ideal crew following the perfect ideals of Starfleet. Wow- that's got to be boring to write. And, sure, most of season 1 was average to poor quality simply because the writers couldn't figure out what to do. But by the third season, TNG had far surpassed the original series.
The bottom line- a lot more drama comes from "perfect" characters trying to deal with villains and the environment than seeing Superman (or Picard or Data) become dark and depressed because it's easier for writers.
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The main issue with this film is it was near incomprehensible, even to fans of both heroes.
Hopefully they'll have the stones to keep things dark and dirty, just pay more attention to the script and narrative.
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That said, I'd happily watch 60's Superman being curb stomped by a utility belt-wearing Barney. Some might find it even more jarring though.
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but yes, they should already be in the public domain.
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Why is television considered a medium? Because nothing on it is rare or well-done!
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Think of the consequences!
I am so not ready for that.
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*Except completely removing Kyle Rayner's growth as a character so we could get Hal Jordan back.
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Like the philosophers in Hitchhiker's Guide, this will keep the lawyers on the gravy train for life building loopholes. The Elseworlds Clause lets DC make more Steampunk Batman. A Continuity Provision allows for modern takes on existing characters (like Sherlock), provided they do not, by their nature, erase previous iterations.
This last is the most egregious of DC's sins with its banner characters. They not only gave us a comic book Superman who was, by all credible standards, a horrible character, but did so in a manner than explicit stated that previous versions did not exist. It was an insult in the guise of edgy storytelling.
If reboots carried such a significant cost, companies would think carefully about giving fanboy editors authority to endlessly regurgitate new versions of characters that were never broken.
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"asdfers - 1 week ago
Agreed, lets all be anarchists."
In response to
"brotalnia - 1 week ago
Corporations will always be greedy, it's in their nature. That's why you shouldn't set up a system where they're allowed to buy politicians and write their own laws."
asdfers sounds like one of the stupid shills we see around here. No one is saying that we should be anarchists. We do believe in having laws. We are simply saying we don't want sociopathic corporations to selfishly and uniformly write those laws. We want our laws to be written democratically based on what's in the public interest and not based on what's in corporate interests. That's very different than being an anarchist.
The fact that IP shills would even resort to such a stupid stupid comment only serves to reveal the dishonest nature of IP extremists.
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the whole problem is that warner brothers ex's would not keep their hands off the films and just let the directors do their jobs. they were so desperate to best marvel they screwed up the films. this is what happens when suits get involved where they should not have.
if they had not meddled while the films were being made i feel the films would have been much better and made as much or more money then the marvel films did, but as it stands now we will never know.
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