US Is Officially Out Of The TPP, Though Not For Any Of The (Many) Good Reasons

from the but-at-least-that's-behind-us dept

Mon, Jan 23rd 2017 10:46am — Mike Masnick

We've been quite vocal for more than six years about the problems of the Trans Pacific Partnership (TPP) agreement, and why it would do really bad things for intellectual property laws and expand the concept of corporate sovereignty over national laws. Throughout the campaign, both major candidates, Donald Trump and Hillary Clinton, campaigned against the agreement, though many people (quite reasonably) doubted Clinton's sincerity over that position.

On the flip side, no one doubted Trump's sincerity -- but many of us disagreed with his reasons. Still, it's at least marginally good news to have Trump officially get us out of the TPP negotiations, effectively killing the agreement.

President Trump formally abandoned the Trans-Pacific Partnership on Monday, pulling away from Asia and scrapping his predecessor’s most significant trade deal on his first full weekday in office, administration officials said.

Mr. Trump sharply criticized the partnership agreement during last year’s campaign, calling it a bad deal for American workers. Although the deal had not been approved by Congress, the decision to withdraw the American signature at the start of Mr. Trump’s administration is a signal that he plans to follow through on promises to take a more aggressive stance against foreign competitors.

Of course, as per in the campaign, Trump's reasons for withdrawing are not the same reasons we were concerned about the TPP. Trump seems to be focused on extreme protectionism and tariffs, a position that will do massive harm to the US economy. And, of course, there's reasonable fear that in doing the right thing for the wrong reasons, what comes up instead will be even worse.

And, of course, in completely dropping out of TPP, it also means throwing out the baby with the bathwater -- including some parts of the TPP that would actually be quite useful, including the sections on the free flow of information across borders, which is important to keeping the internet functioning globally, blocking the ability of authoritarian countries to demand localized servers (that can be used for surveillance or to cut off access to the global internet) and more. And, as of yet, there is no indication that the new administration cares about any of this.

So, yes, it's good that the TPP is dead. It was a bad agreement put together in secrecy with lots of bad elements. But, we need to watch quite carefully what comes next, with the recognition that it very well could be worse.

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Filed Under: copyright, corporate sovereignty, donald trump, free trade, tpp, trade agreements

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Berenerd (profile), 23 Jan 2017 @ 11:09am

We're gonna built a firewall and have the hackers pay for it!
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Ninja (profile), 23 Jan 2017 @ 11:12am

"including some parts of the TPP that would actually be quite useful, including the sections on the free flow of information across borders, which is important to keeping the internet functioning globally, blocking the ability of authoritarian countries to demand localized servers (that can be used for surveillance or to cut off access to the global internet) and more"

Considering he means to effectively kill the Internet as we know today by gutting the FCC and killing net neutrality protections I don't think this would have any chance of surviving. As for the surveillance and cutting access the intelligence outfits in the US and copyright has those covered already. So.. Win?
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Capt ICE Enforcer (profile), 23 Jan 2017 @ 11:15am

Huh
We don't need a treaty to help with the free flow of information across the globe. We have been doing it for years. If we start to put it in writing then that will allow the government to believe it is allowed to stop it.
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Anonymous Coward, 23 Jan 2017 @ 11:26am

Re: Huh
You're quite naive.
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Roger Strong (profile), 23 Jan 2017 @ 11:32am

Re: Re: Huh
How so?
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afn29129 (profile), 23 Jan 2017 @ 11:37am

Plural 'we'
"... the same reasons we were ....", you must have a mouse in your pocket Mike.
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Roger Strong (profile), 23 Jan 2017 @ 11:54am

Re: Plural 'we'
Or perhaps more than one Techdirt writer, plus all the Techdirt Insiders and regulars.
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silverscarcat (profile), 23 Jan 2017 @ 12:19pm

The mere fact...
That TPP was done in secret, special interests being the only ones to see the full text and no lawmakers could do anything to it made it worth killing entirely.
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Deimal (profile), 23 Jan 2017 @ 12:28pm

To be fair
On more than one occasion he offered one of the reasons being the investor-state dispute courts. If I recall correctly, that was disliked pretty strongly here and (for me anyway) was a good enough reason alone to kill it. Let alone the continued promulgation of terrible US IP laws around the world (not one of Trump's reasons iirc) or the fact that it was negotiated in secret with no public input (any of the 3 would by itself be enough for me)
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orbitalinsertion (profile), 23 Jan 2017 @ 12:42pm

Re: Re: Plural 'we'
I am pretty sure "we" know who we are.
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Anonymous Coward, 23 Jan 2017 @ 12:50pm

Re: The mere fact...
hey.... let them spin it like Trump is bad no matter which decision he made.

I am all for making the right decisions for the right reason's, but I can hold my tongue with the right decision being made for the wrong reasons.

Others have to nit pick no matter what, which is what I am usually accused of.
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Thad, 23 Jan 2017 @ 1:29pm

Re: To be fair
Right, but judging by the proposals for renegotiating NAFTA so far, Trump's not opposed to any of those things.
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Ehud Gavron (profile), 23 Jan 2017 @ 2:03pm

Baby and bathwater
Throwing out the baby with the bathwater is exactly what the US electorate did this year removing all trace of political cronyism and with it all trace of political savvy.

E
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Anonymous Coward, 23 Jan 2017 @ 2:30pm

Re:
I think you mean kill the internet as we could have known but never actually did because net neutrality was never really enforced. At&t, Verizon, Sprint, and T-Mobile all took a shit on Net Neutrality and nothing as ever done about it.
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Thad, 23 Jan 2017 @ 2:33pm

Re: Baby and bathwater

removing all trace of political cronyism

You're joking, right?
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Anonymous Coward, 23 Jan 2017 @ 2:37pm

Reminds me of the previous trade bill failures
Brings to mind other horrible bills filled with all sorts of terrible provisions. But what killed it was the EU farm lobby of all things - with their completely untenable regional food naming demands. When parmesan cheese has been produced outside of Parma for generations you aren't going to get the rest of the world to agree to it.
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Koby (profile), 23 Jan 2017 @ 3:10pm

So tough
It's tough for some authors to admit that a political opponent like Trump could do a better job of trashing these corporate trade agreements than their golden boy Obama. I'm hopeful Trump is going to prove that all sides of the political spectrum need to NOT elect the usual cronies during the primary process, which will result in far superior decisions being made than the usual career politicians, no matter who wins the November election.
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tracyanne, 23 Jan 2017 @ 4:03pm

Our PM might be pretty upset
But I don't care what Trumps reasons were, the TPP is dead.
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Anonymous Coward, 23 Jan 2017 @ 4:45pm

Re: Re: Re: Huh
Yeah, what is so naive about the post?

Treaties, typically, are written to stop something.
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Anonymous Coward, 23 Jan 2017 @ 5:33pm

Probably the only time I'll say this: Thank you Trump.
- Sincerly, A non-US resident whose government is desperate to suck up to America.

P.S.: If there are good things in the TPP, perhaps consider doing smaller, more focused and open agreements with them.
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That One Guy (profile), 23 Jan 2017 @ 7:11pm

Re: Re: The mere fact...
The problem with doing the right thing for the wrong reasons is that if the issue comes up again and the particular bad reason isn't there the second/third/fourth time then the person might not object for the 'right' reasons and let it through. Simply presenting the same rotten problem under a different name and with slight tweaks can be enough to let it slip through.

On the other hand if someone is doing the right thing for the right reasons then dressing up the same problem slightly different isn't going to help much, as the core problem is still there and so is the objection to it.
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Roger Strong (profile), 23 Jan 2017 @ 10:40pm

From the CBC: How NAFTA renegotiations might unfold

TPP is dead. Long live TPP

A year ago it seemed NAFTA might be superseded by the TPP. All three NAFTA countries were onboard.

Now it's the other way around.

At his confirmation hearing Thursday, treasury secretary nominee Steven Mnuchin said the TPP could be a "starting point" for NAFTA talks.

Already-agreed-upon TPP chapters — on labour, environmental standards, intellectual property, or e-commerce — could migrate.

If seen as minor amendments, TPP text could become NAFTA annexes or side letters.

So, on to the next round of TPP negotiations.
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Anonymous Coward, 24 Jan 2017 @ 1:19am

It may not be the end of TPP, overall, as the other 11 nations are going to try and ratify TPP without the United States.

Of course, they will have to open negotiations again to change it, since the current TPP requires ratification by both Japan and the USA to come into force.

Maybe without America on board, they can scale back the draconian copyright policies in the agreement, who knows.

Of course, there could still be a 12th nation. If California, Oregon, and Washington all hold the proposed 2019 vote on secession from the United States, and the Republic Of Pacifica is created, I think that the Pacificans would join the TPP, as Hollywood would all but demand it, for the copyright laws they want. That is why I, as a Californian, will be voting no on secession, if voters in all three states, on the 2018 ballot, give the green light for the 2019 secession vote.
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CK20XX (profile), 24 Jan 2017 @ 4:06am

Re:
I don't think the Republic of Pacifica would work. If it does get created though, Trump would literally be the last president of the United States, and the GOP would have to live with the fact that it literally destroyed America at long last.
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GristleMissile (profile), 24 Jan 2017 @ 4:11am

Re:
"P.S.: If there are good things in the TPP, perhaps consider doing smaller, more focused and open agreements with them."

Funnily enough, that's Trump's stated plan.
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Wendy Cockcroft, 24 Jan 2017 @ 5:39am

Re: Re:
That was the plan all along; many of them are anarchists intent on bringing back the Articles of Confederation despite the fact that it was such an abject failure it didn't last long and was superseded by the Constitution.
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