More Legislators Jump On The 'Blue Lives Matter' Bandwagon
from the still-plenty-more-'stupid'-in-the-Congressional-storerooms dept
Not wanting to be outdone by idiots in Congress, two idiot senators from the great state of Texas* are pushing their own "Blue Lives Matter" legislation. Senators Cruz and Cornyn have (re)introduced the Backed and Blown "Back the Blue Act," which adds mandatory minimums to any act of violence against most government officials. Oh, and for extra fun, automatic death penalty considerations for anyone charged under this act.
*Federal law requires the descriptor "great state of" to be appended to any state name, but especially Texas.
I'll get out of the way and allow Senator Cornyn to toot his own horn:
“Our law enforcement officers put their lives on the line every day to protect and serve families across Texas. Violent criminals who deliberately target those who protect and serve our communities should face swift and tough penalties and the Back the Blue Act sends that clear message. Every day, and particularly during National Police Week, we must give the men and women in blue our unparalleled support,” Sen. Cornyn said.
You hear that, you bunch of ungrateful Americans? No matter how many citizens are gunned down for holding game controllers or toddlers torched by carelessly-tossed flashbang grenades, these fine men and women are to be given "unparalleled support." They apparently "deserve" it -- a term that must be wholly divorced from the process of earning it.
Cruz and Cornyn's 2016 attempt died from a lack of attention, perhaps overshadowed by the DOJ's endless stream of scathing reports on police misconduct. With a new "tough on crime" DOJ boss at the helm and the DOJ's civil rights division neutered, the political climate seems a tad more receptive to glorifying government employees as lowercase-g gods. (But gods nonetheless.)
Several legislators have joined the two senators in stumping for underprotected government employees. Rep. Ted Poe (also of Texas) has plenty to say about the bill at his personal blog. He's all for it, naturally, but more importantly, he summarizes the harsh new penalties awaiting anyone who threatens, injures, kills, or conspires to do any of the above to a law enforcement officer.
Creates a new federal crime for killing, attempting to kill, or conspiring to kill a federal judge, federal law enforcement officer, or federally funded public safety officer. The offender would be subject to the death penalty and a mandatory minimum sentence of 30 years if death results; the offender would otherwise face a minimum sentence of 10 years.
Creates a new federal crime for assaulting a federally funded law enforcement officer with escalating penalties, including mandatory minimums, based on the extent of any injury and the use of a dangerous weapon. However, no prosecution can be commenced absent certification by the Attorney General that prosecution is appropriate.
Creates a new federal crime for interstate flight from justice to avoid prosecution for killing, attempting to kill, or conspiring to kill a federal judge, federal law enforcement officer, or federally funded public safety officer. The offender would be subject to a mandatory minimum sentence of 10 years for this offense.
Take a good look at the middle stipulation. This means pretty much every law enforcement officer in the nation will be covered by this law, instantly subjecting people who do nothing more than assault an officer (aka, resisting arrest, contempt of cop, etc.) to federal punishments. Almost every law enforcement agency in the nation receives some sort of federal funding. This bill would yank prosecutions out of locals' hands and, presumably, separate defendants from less-harsh local laws.
The bill also allows law enforcement officers (including those whose agencies are the recipients of federal funding) to carry weapons into places citizens can't. Nothing like adding an extra right to a long list of extra punishments.
This chaser would put two "Blue Lives Matter" bills in play, giving Congress multiple ways to make policing worse. Considering the Go Team Blue attitude on display at the White House, these bills have a home team advantage and a president dying to sign a few more citizens' rights and liberties away on behalf of law enforcement.
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Another good take on this subject...
...From Scott Greenfield at Simple Justice: Only The Pure Shall Prevail
They are paid to take risks, that's the job description. Why more protections? It is simply a political ploy to 'enhance' ones 'anti crime' credentials leading up to the next election. This has nothing to do with the criminals (who might in fact not be criminals) and everything to do with politics.
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Wow, you really are a pussy. You hire other people to protect you and others and if they get hurt, oh well, that is their job. You really are a worthless piece of crap.
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They are supposed to be here to serve us, we are not here to serve them.
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https://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/2015-dangerous-jobs/
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That's because the law does not recognize self-defence against police, no matter what the circumstances, even when it is clearly self-defence by any rational definition.
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I thought such a class was created long ago, its members are of the most monied and includes known criminals.
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I don't think that this is the kind of thing that our elected officials would want.
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Not a position you want a desperate person to be in
The law also introduces a problem in that if a person kills a cop, whether deliberately or not, they no longer have anything to lose.
They're already facing what many would likely see as the worst punishment the legal system can hand out, death, and by setting it as a minimum there's really nothing they can do to make their situation worse at that point, no crime they can commit that will make the punishment worse, up to and including trying to get rid of any other witnesses.
To say this bill would likely cause 'unfortunate side-effects' would be putting it very mildly.
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... but some are more equal than others
Notably lacking in the law unless I missed it, a mandatory death sentence for a cop who kills a suspect, because apparently that's not nearly as important or as big of a deal.
By all means lawmakers, keep pushing for even more protections for an already heavily protected group of people, that's sure to get people to respect them! /s
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If a police officer robs a liquor store in plain clothes, this law would seem to make it a capital crime for a clerk to defend himself in any way against the officer, despite not knowing the robber is a cop.
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The ONLY person that should EVER pay for a crime or an evil is the person that committed it.
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Typo nazi alert!
When you put "great state of" in FRONT of "Texas", you are prepending "great state of" to the beginning of "Texas", not appending to the end!
Seems to be a preponderance of petty officers in blue looking to get spat on some more. Please, politicians, don't escalate the violence. Get these officers the proper training and vigorous oversight they desperately need!
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Taxi Driver Lives Matter!
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I had to make this reference.
In a row?
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I see no defamation of anyone—only opinions that are given weight by the recitation of actual facts. Your feelings about those opinions cannot sustain an accusation of defamation.
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Constitution? What Constitution.
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http://www.ripoffreport.com/reports/wendy-cockcroft-web-design-wendy-cockcroft-interservecom/interne t/wendy-cockcroft-web-design-wendy-cockcroft-interservecom-wendy-cockcroft-manchester-u-1280160
Ms Cockcroft suddenly became very angry and threatened to ruin my business before it started. She said that she was in with a very influential group of people on a technical blog who would write about me and many other people would comment. She said this would mean that my reputation would be ruined and it would remain at the tip of Google. Wendy Cockcroft refused to refund my money, refused to re-do the work and threatened to destroy my business and personal reputation before it even started.
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"I see a lot of defamation, it seems to be the point of each and every article."
That simply proves you have no idea what defamation actually is.
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It's anything I disagree with! Like "fake news" is any news I don't like!
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"Not wanting to be outdone by idiots in Congress, two idiot senators from the great state of Texas* are pushing their own "Blue Lives Matter" legislation"
I believe this would qualify as at least attempting to damage a good reputation. The obvious bias and poor literary skills make it very ineffective, but there is no doubt about the intent.
One (poorly attempted) defamatory article after another. There is little else this site offers. It is slightly amusing to read, but only slightly. If the authors had anything to say other than their sponsored character assassination, this site would probably be more popular. Instead, it only draws mostly unhappy mental toddlers like yourself.
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It's a beautiful thing to watch unfold.
Just take a look:
https://shiva4senate.com/
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On the other hand...you're just too tasty to pass up the opportunity.
Let's start with your supposed evidence, shall we? The story about Ms. Warren is false on more levels than most can count, but I'll try. First, Ms. Warren never claimed that she was Native American. (Not that you care, but Indian refers to someone from India, not the people who originally owned America before white people, my people, stole it from them at gunpoint.) She said she stood with the Native Americans protesting the oil sands pipeline being forcibly routed through their land. Much like I stand with the victims of the police. I am neither black nor unarmed, but that doesn't mean I automatically lack any sympathy (it's one of those human emotions, if you didn't know) for those who are unarmed, black, and very very dead under circumstances that could be described GENEROUSLY as "suspicious." I mean, they'd be less suspicious if the body cameras cops have been forced to wear didn't miraculously turn off or malfunction the one time in thousands when they kill someone, but alas, that's police accountability for ya. (Yanno, what this article is actually about, not Elizabeth Warren or Shiva or anyone else.)
Second, you cited Hannity. You literally couldn't cite a more biased source if you tried. You could cite hundreds who are EQUALLY biased, true, but none more. It's hard to take any claim from Mr. Hannity with any seriousness. The fact that a supposed journalist (hint: Hannity is no journalist) can cite nothing more than a twitter post as a source should've tipped you off.
Speaking of journalism, let's go there. Have you ever noticed how every "fake news" (i.e. ACTUAL FACTS) outlet notes that they reached out for comment to the subject of their story? There's a reason for that. Response or not, asking the subject of your story to comment is a demonstration that you are willing to ask BOTH sides of the story to try to ascertain the truth. The mere fact that Hannity, Beck, and their ilk almost never bother to ASK the subject of their hit pieces for their comment is simply proof that they are well aware their "news" is of less value than 1-ply toilet paper. Or in plainer English: it proves they have no interest in even APPEARING to be non-biased.
And why would they? With an audience of people like yourself refreshing their web sites and waiting to gobble up the next wholly fabricated headline - and immediately regurgitate it to all your "liberal friends" (who, I assure you, are only your "friends" because they have to be. Gary who works for you seriously doesn't give a sh*t, but he needs the minimum wage you pay him to, yanno, eat.) With such an massive following so hungry for their daily load of crap, they must be straining their imaginations to the brink of collapse to come up with the outlandish yarns they write for you.
But then again, they make so much money selling you survivalist foodstuffs and cashing kickback checks from the NRA that I'm sure the money is more than worth their time. And their souls. Assuming they ever had souls, that is.
Now please, go away before I have to make this truly embarrassing for you.
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For someone opposed to other people using insults, you sure seem eager to insult both the individual to whom you replied and women in general.
What the fuck is your point?
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I know some of the posters on this site are part of the paid messaging that TechDirt sells as a service, but I don't know which ones. And it appears that some posters disguise their female voice behind a male name. And some, like Wendy Cockcroft, have a reputation for threatening people with "Defamation by TechDirt" to settle money disputes.
I think all these things are relevant topics to discuss on this site. Who paid for the article to begin with? Which of the posters are paid? Which of the posters are actually "posers", disguising themselves as someone else? Why are they disguising themselves as someone else?
People read this blog as if it were real, when in fact there is (at least) a lot of secrecy surrounding who is who and if their opinions are their own or are paid for. There is also a lot of "ganging up" to prevent legitimate opinions from being heard. I am trying to perform a community service, as a concerned citizen. Much of the speech here seems extremely un-American and deceptive.
Especially troubling is the defamatory speech about the Email guy - we don't need to argue about whether or not it is defamatory, we have a judge to work that out for us. We will all find out together.
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Shiva, go home, you’re an idiot.
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Few commenters here write out “Techdirt” as “TechDirt”. Even fewer invoke the “MAGA” acronym without irony or sarcasm. Your penchant for both writing out full names and calling people “socialists” makes it even easier to track you. You also continue to bring up Shiva Ayyadurai in the comments of articles that do not discuss him—and you only ever talk about him as if he is a deity. The quirks of your writing give you away, Shiva. Try trolling Ars Technica next time.
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Go home, Shiva, you’re an idiot.
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Go home, Shiva, you're a woman-hating idiot.
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Doesn't mean that you're not making shit up and addressing the polar opposite of reality.
Just why are you so obsessed with me and my gender anyway? Are you hoping I do turn out to be female so you won't feel guilty about being sexually attracted to my adherence to the truth?
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"Or is it you, Wendy Cockcroft? You pose as PaulT, right, but also write like a lady writes, using either name."
Fuck me, you really are an obsessed idiot, aren't you? Is there anyone posting on this site who isn't me now? Are you sure you're not me?
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"Defamation: The act of damaging the good reputation of someone."
Thanks for proving me right.
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Secondly, if I've ever done such a thing before, prove it.
Thirdly, if I did ever do such a thing to a customer it's bad business practice that'd backfire good and hard on me, and I'd deserve it.
Fourthly, do you really believe that if a man was a few grand down and reduced to poverty he would ONLY complain on a review site and NOT go to the police?
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Don't tell me you actually trust journalists? (any of them)
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Lynch any officer who kills an innocent civillian.
Lynch any civillian who kills an innocent police officer.
Now its fair for everyone.
Fuck your blue lives matter bs.
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This law is probably redundant anyways.
It only seems to have become a controversial idea very recently.
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We do not mock the risks that officers face—only the idea that officers face greater risks now than they ever have in the past. Our society gives to police officers a level of safety and security that is equalled or exceeded only by the military. That sense of safety does not require a “Blue Lives Matter” law to remain intact.
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No one person’s opinion deserves to become the law. That said: My opinion takes root in the fact that we already punish those who hurt or kill police officers with harsher sentences. What would this law accomplish that cannot be accomplished under current laws?
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To be honest, I am not sure what it would accomplish, that is, I am not sure if it is good or bad. But I tend to lean towards giving police what they ask for, since their role is so indispensable in our society. And I tend to lean away from sensationalist pieces like the one above, that seems to me to completely overstate one side of the issue. For example:
"This chaser would put two "Blue Lives Matter" bills in play, giving Congress multiple ways to make policing worse. Considering the Go Team Blue attitude on display at the White House, these bills have a home team advantage and a president dying to sign a few more citizens' rights and liberties away on behalf of law enforcement."
It just sounds kind of idiotic to me.
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How far does your respect for the police allow you to ignore the serious issues within modern policing, including the violation of an average citizen’s civil liberties in the name of “law and order”?
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It's a tough job from any angle. I used to manage large groups, for example, development engineers and support personnel. When I heard the development engineers disparage how stupid the support personnel were, I had them switch jobs for a week. That changed their world view in a really good way, and a new respect emerged. Short of being willing to pitch in yourself, I think it is usually best to support those who risk their actual safety to protect those they never met. More often than not, they are a noble bunch.
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Support and respect for police officers means nothing if it turns into blind loyalty. Society gives to the police an enormous amount of power and authority—and society expects the police to use that power with responsibility and restraint. We must not ignore any abuse of that power, even if we believe the victims of that abuse deserve it.
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They exist, but they do not always work in favor of the general public.
Nobody here “opposes” the police with their eyes closed. We oppose the systems that allow police officers with poor records of behavior and judgment to keep their jobs. We oppose a culture that rewards, not punishes, an abuse of power and authority. We oppose the notion that police deserve to do their jobs without respect for the civil liberties of all people.
When a police officer conducts a search that violates the 4th Amendment, we oppose it. When an officer shoots an unarmed person seemingly because of that person’s skin color, we oppose it. When a member of the police force tries intimidating a regular citizen that appears to have contempt for police (e.g., a reporter), we oppose it. These acts do not exist as the fevered nightmare of a career criminal; they are real abuses of power that have happened before and will happen again. We have and we will oppose those abuses because we believe the police’s job should be difficult—not to stymie the police and protect criminals, but to prevent abuses of power and keep intact the civil rights of all peoples.
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Our society’s laws give an absurd amount of power and authority to the police so that they may uphold the law. In return, those same laws are supposed to protect the average citizen from abuses of that power. But that protection exists at the whims of those who make and enforce the laws. A police officer who violates a person’s civil rights, for example, may continue to do so if the oversight systems fail to punish the officer for that violation. A district attorney too afraid to prosecute a cop, a lawmaker who wants to appear “tough on crime”, and a judiciary that believes the police need “more latitiude” to carry out their duties all erode our civil liberties in the name of “law and order”.
The oversight systems that favor police officers over the general public only allow existing abuses of power to continue and new ones to flourish. Anyone who argues in favor of those circumstances as a societal “good” should be mocked and insulted for their opinion.
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You can suggest the idea. But you cannot force people to adopt your position. If someone wants to use mockery and insults to make a point, that is their goddamned right—just as you have the right to ignore them at your leisure.
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If a drunk off-duty police officer shoots an otherwise innocent person in a fit of inebriated rage, is that person still innocent? If, during a shootout with a criminal, an officer shoots an innocent bystander by accident, is that bystander still innocent? If an officer kills himself with his service weapon, is that officer still innocent?
May your questionless fealty to authority and power never come back to bite you on your ass.
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http://www.latimes.com/nation/nationnow/la-na-nn-south-carolina-trooper-shooting-20140925-sto ry.html
How dare he obey a direct order! That level of co-operation must be punished!
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Actually their job is pretty easy compared to many. And they're paid far, far better than most other groups with a similar level of required education and training.
As to being human, when did that become an excuse?
It's kind of hard to raise one's self up from the grave after being murdered by some power tripping cop, even in America.
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Like that dude who volunteered, shot and killed an innocent person who was minding their own business ... oh and did I mention he was poor and not white
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Or you have an agenda. An agenda that does not comport with the reality of morality.
It's one or the other, which is it?
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The average for the last decade is only 2 a year.
Compared to the US rate of about a THOUSAND a year for the last few years.
If the UK is able to have the per capita rate of citizens being fatally shot by police officers be a hundred times lower then the US, then can you really say the US police are doing a good job.
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Response to: My_Name_Here on May 26th, 2017 @ 10:23pm
Many other stories abound of officers abusing their authority with similar results. So I ask you again, why the fuck should we support any organization that doesn't support us?
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I would say that using profanities does not help your point much, and neither does saying that similar stories "abound" without citing them.
Your point is that a single tragedy justifies what exactly?
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From the cops?
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Neither does calling someone an idiot
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No, not from the cops. I meant invest in those who protect us from the criminals in our society, of which there are many.
But this was obvious from the beginning, right? So, what is a better word to describe the characteristic of the comment "From the cops?"? Sarcastic? Maybe, but sarcasm standing alone in this case is just stupid, right? Trivial? Foolish? Moronic? Imbecilic? Simplistic? Which one would express it best?
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So what are your standards for determining salary again? If the danger is the main determinant then doubling the salaries as you propose is absurd on its face if you consider the facts. According to this list of the 10 most dangerous jobs police officers don't even make it into the top 10. They have a fatal job injury rate of 3.38 per 100,000 workers, far lower than even that of landscaping supervisors, who come in at number 10 on the list with 18 per 100,000.
Only two categories on the list have higher median salaries than police officers, pilots and farmers/ranchers. Doubling the salaries for law enforcement would put them at a median of $120,000 per year and make them better paid than any of the ten most dangerous professions and paid roughly four times the amount that is paid to lumberjacks, the most dangerous profession with 132 fatal job injuries per 100,000 workers.
Why are you not advocating for the just remuneration of lumberjacks? You rely on their work for the lumber that built your home, the paper you user to read and write and the softer paper you use to wipe your ass. However, maybe you don't need that last one, since it seems like you're the type that just spews your bullshit out of your mouth instead of waiting for your digestive system to do its thing like the rest of us.
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"Respect, money, and status for those brave enough to take on a life threatening job every day."
Way to shift the goal post there, sweetie. You yourself said that those brave enough to take on a life threatening job deserve respect, money and status. I guess the silliest thing I did was expecting to take you at your word. Instead you changed your premise and called me silly for pointing out logical flaws in your argument. Snowflake much?
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Question: What is the definition of a good marriage?
Answer: If the fucking you're getting is worth the fucking you're getting.
It's deep, actually, once you get over the foul language.
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"Respect, money, and status for those brave enough to take on a life threatening job every day."
(Which isn't a sentence by the way, it's a fragment without a verb, but I digress...)
That if you believed your assertion it is not logical to use it to advocate for higher pay for law enforcement since, statistically, their profession is thirty-nine times less likely to die on the job than lumberjacks. You can make the argumentum ad absurdum of claiming that trees are not dangerous compared to criminals, but it doesn't change the facts of the comparative rates of death for law enforcement and lumberjacks.
Trees may not seem dangerous but the tools used to cut them down are quite dangerous, and giant trees tend to fall down once they are cut (thanks, gravity!) and large objects tend to have the ability to crush people. Combined with remote work sites that are quite distant from the nearest hospital these factors can make many more accidents fatal as the bona fide mortality statistics bear out.
For someone who likes to criticize others for a lack of rationality (owing of course to being female, as if that is somehow connected) you sure do seem to have an acute allergy to facts.
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Why do we not pay our grunt military members more?
Why do we not provide health care for our grunt military members?
Seems to me that the grunt soldier faces much more risk than a leo and therefore deserves a higher rate of pay in addition to adequate health care - but I guess that is socialism talk right there. Weird
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Oh, we can't do that. That's racist.
For example, used to be there was a requirement that Houston police officers had to have a college degree to qualify. The usual rabble rousers... ear, I mean community organizers, decried that requirement as racist because it kept minorities from qualifying to be police.
So the city scrapped it. Now all you need is a high school diploma or a GED to be a cop.
And guess what happened? Police shootings went up, community complaints against cops went up, and case dismissals due to poor arrest/evidence practices went up.
But hey, at least we're 'diverse' now. That's priority number one, right?
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...and expanding the pool of applicants led to lower quality hires in what way? Are you saying that people with college degrees were deterred from applying because they no longer needed the degree. Or, are you saying that the only possible way the recruiters could tell good cop from bad cop was whether they went to college first?
"The usual rabble rousers... ear, I mean community organizers, decried that requirement as racist because it kept minorities from qualifying to be police."
I'm sure you have a citation for that claim, right? I've always read that such practices were because more educated people were finding other jobs with more pay for less risk, and the departments needed to increase the number of applicants.
"Police shootings went up, community complaints against cops went up, and case dismissals due to poor arrest/evidence practices went up"
I'm intrigued. How would removing the requirement for a degree prevent cops from being disciplined, retrained or fired if they're behaving so poorly? Plus, how does the claim that this only happened because of more non-white people being let on to the force jibe with the general trend of shootings against non-whites?
Something doesn't seem right here.
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https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2017/03/18/us/texas-no-knock-warrant-drugs.html
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"tragedies sometimes occur. How could they not?"
Good to know having flash-bangs thrown into a baby's room is no big deal right? No, I expect better them to exercise caution not just jump at the chance to use the new toys they got.
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You misspelled "dozens and dozens".
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Every time I decide not to murder someone who's ticked me off, I've made a "life or death decision". I guess that makes me a real "hero", huh?
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We all agree that we have criminals in our society, right? And that many of them are dangerous to our personal and financial safety, right? So, we all chip in to protect honest law abiding citizens from those who would break the law, right? We call them Police. That's a given.
Is their job dangerous? I believe there is no doubt about that, either. Are they brave and self-less? I cannot think of any other explanation for their behavior. Do they make mistakes? Yes, who amongst us does not.
Do they, by and large, do their best, risk their lives, and protect us all from dangerous criminals? YES! Do they deserve our respect for that? Hell Yes. This left-wing media focus on getting our federal government MORE involved in LOCAL police is just crazy. Obama is gone, Hillary lost, get over it already. The adults are back in the room. MAGA
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Yes, that is obvious.
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and some of them are employed by the police departments
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This is the fundamental difference between your position and the people you are disagreeing with.
I've lived a pretty low financial class life, travelled alla round the country, and I've met more good cops than bad... but the ratio has been pretty close. In the maybe two dozen interactions with police I've had, about 40% of them were not brave and self-less, they were petty thugs and bullies who found a way to have some measure of power. These are the police who aren't just "trained bad", they are actively bad. There are police officers who became police officers for bad reasons and to do bad things, and the numbers show that there are more of them than their should be. So how do we fix that?
The Black Lives Matter movement had one goal, "let's come up with a way to hold the bad cops accountable". Your response "Cops are selfless because otherwise why would they be cops" ignores the fact that there are a lot of really bad reasons to be a cop.
Everything you are saying would make sense if there were no bad cops. That's just not the case.
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“Non-lethal weaponry” is an oxymoron. Weapons such as Tasers can be less lethal than traditional firearms, but they can still kill a person. A good rule of thumb to remember: If it can be used as a weapon, it can kill.
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Here's a different bright idea - how about you train police to de-escalate situations before they require any sort of violent interaction? In my experience, cops in other Western countries tend to try to talk criminals down first, US cops are always itching for a fight and will escalate situations toward violence where none was previously imminant.
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To protest and serve ... their uber-riche overlords that is - everyone else can kiss their ass. You had damn well better kiss their ass and look as though you like it or risk get your head caved in by their jack boots.
If one were to ask them about this "protect and serve" bullshit, their response might imply they have no duty to protect you or serve you in any way - rather their duty is to enforce the law, even when said law is unconstitutional, immoral and unethical.
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There ARE bad cops out there. There are bad garbage men and bad hairdressers too. The difference is the job they do, and the magnitude and consequences of their actions. When you lump the good in with the bad and crap all over them, you are NOT helping the problem get fixed.
Focus on the barriers to getting rid of the bad cops and maybe the rhetoric will die down enough for something positive to be accomplished.
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Police Reform Suggestions
To that end I would recommend the following:
Either get rid of qualified immunity, or make it much, much harder to qualify.
Stop trying to create a new protected class out of whole cloth where the only qualification of that class is a uniform.
Make it a requirement that the police know the laws they enforce, and enforce only those laws. Too many laws? Make the law simpler, sunset all laws every 7 years. The legislatures will tire of spending all of their time re-enacting laws and will simplify them so they can address new issues.
Make it a requirement that police actually have to protect and serve.
Remove policy and procedure where police have an opportunity to revise testimony after an incident. They should be subject to the same rules as the people they arrest.
Eliminate the construct whereby police are believed automatically, let them show proof of allegations, not just their word.
Hold police personally responsible for their actions (especially when there is a question of rights violations), along with the persons who supervise and control those actions, and not use taxpayers money to settle.
Get rid of unions in public service positions. Treat those people fairly and give them some form of grievance arbitration that does not include striking or in some other way holding the public hostage.
Stop allowing officers fired from one position for bad conduct to be allowed to serve in another position with another department or even in another jurisdiction, or to get rehired by the same department.
There are probably some additional ideas...
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Even you admit there are bad loes - why not get rid of them then? Anywhere else except politics, you get fired for not doing your function(s) properly.
Why do the citizens have to focus on barriers to equal enforcement of the law - what would such barriers be ... you know - the ones that ordinary folk have influence over? Rhetoric huh ... complaining about abuse is sooo rhetorical.
All rhetoric must stop before anything positive is accomplished? Wow, no wonder nothing gets done.
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Although the news media, and people that indulge in too much narrative seem to be led around by the nose in general. If someone is accused that's as good as them being convicted. It doesn't just apply to cops.
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Obviously wrong? When Police are obviously wrong they are punished. Except Hillary Clinton, of course. She is a proven criminal, and has yet to be punished. There is hope, though. Get on the right side of the law. Or go comment on a post in your own miserable country.
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Obviously wrong to shoot an unarmed person in the back for no reason other than they were not white .. you disagree?
"When Police are obviously wrong they are punished"
That paid vacation is sooo punishing, it's probably unbearable! Let's all feel sorry.
Hillary? Really? .. scraping the bottom of the barrel will not help your silly troll
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The nerve of those ungrateful cretins, look at what the monied interests have done for them ... oh wait, don't look there - nothing to see.
Yes, law enforcement has its roots in the enforcement of monied interests at the expense of the rest of society. Has anything changed?
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Did you see President Donald J. Trump in front of the whole Muslim world? "Drive them out!". Wow. Magnificent is just not strong enough to describe him. Genius. Statesman. Hero of the American People. Patriot. Leader of the Free World.
And his wife? She should be on the cover of every fashion and lady magazine in the world.
President Donald J. Trump, the AWESOME!
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A police officer is not hired to run away from danger, to hide from criminals, or to protect themselves first and the people in a far distant second. Their duty is to serve the people—at any cost.
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Not at all. There job is to make sure the ruling class stays that way.
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"We have no ruling class in America"
Wow, ignorance is bliss ... bliss for the elite ruling class when the proles are ignorant.
"We have a free society"
Free is an interesting word, not sure what it means here. Are you free to demonstrate against your government without the fear of reprisals? Yeah, I didn't think so.
Your assumptions are wrong, but please do continue as it has entertainment value.
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Your skewed views are quite entertaining
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Go home, Shiva, you’re a woman-hating idiot.
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I do not make light of the very real dangers faced by police officers in the line of duty. I respect those officers who work to keep the peace with a restrained use of their power and authority. But I do not respect officers who see their job as an excuse to abuse their power and exercise their authoritarian instincts upon the general public. Such officers do not deserve, nor do they earn, my respect.
May you never end up in a situation where your rights are violated by a cop who thinks he is above the law. If you do end up in such a situation, may your willful naïveté disappear as fast as your civil rights.
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Nor do I infer that the actions of a single bad police officer means we must shame all police officers. But we cannot—should not—offer them our blind loyalty and unyielding respect only because they chose to wear the badge and serve the public.
Society must expect better of the police. It must hold them accountable when they violate civil liberties and destroy the trust between the police and the community. To look the other way when an officer does those things is to give the police a reverence that borders on blind worship.
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Understandable, since you have no leg to stand upon.
Yes, it appears to be blind worship to me.
I respect the actions of anyone going above and beyond in order to help/assist others in need - however ... the corollary is also true in that I despise those who use their position/authority to abuse others. So, does that make me a bad person, an evil doer? I suppose the lack of blind worship would, for some, make me a terrible (insert per peeve terminology here).
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This article was about the American Police, remember? We love our Police in America, the way we love our military (this is memorial day weekend). I think you must be from somewhere else.
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Is it being pissy to demand equal treatment under the law?
If so, why? And please be specific because many out there, including myself, do not understand this.
What benefit is obtained via unequal treatment under the law? My guess is money, money for those who pull the strings - money obtained from exploiting those who cannot pull strings and/or are not allowed to pull strings - only puppet masters are allowed to do that.
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We do have money here, it is available to anyone who is ready to work for it. In fact, if you can get along with others, and support them our democratic system, there is no limit to what you can achieve. This has been demonstrated through history again and again, and the primary reason that the best and the brightest in the world flock to America to live their dreams, both financial and otherwise. And yes, you are being pissy about something that no hard working American could relate to at all. Get up off your ass, go get some purpose in your life, succeed at something more prestigious than your pissy little posts, and your tone will change, I'm sure.
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That's simply wrong. There is no legal obligation (i.e., duty) for anyone to die to keep you safe, cop or not.
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Agreed, so why give the police added powers and protections, you say it is no bright idea and yet would do it anyway.
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That's literally a soldier's job description.
I mean, in the last few years, they seem to be dying to keep Oil safe. Oil that goes to 5 corporations in Europe, via Haliburton shipping, and not a single drop of which ever makes it to American shores.
But still, their job description basically literally says "go to strange nations, shoot thousands of natives, occasionally get killed by what is most likely a ricochet because the other side is poorly trained, poorly equipped, and just trying to keep you from invading their house, get celebrated as a hero for your bad luck if you die, otherwise get free college tuition in the 98% chance that you survive."
Or, yanno, your shorter version.
So yes, there are people with that job description. The one for cops isn't QUITE that, but if a cop isn't willing to take a bullet that was meant for an innocent bystander, they may be a cop, but they're no hero.
And "shoot first, check to see if they have any actual weapon later" is literally infinitely worse than that.
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You haven't even acknowledged my latest barb in our lumberjack discussion. Maybe because it hurts being bested by a woman to someone who is so obviously a misogynist.
If all women are inferior and you're inferior to a woman, then what, exactly, does that make you? Are you still even human according to your warped calculus?
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What I don't get:
I mean, if you want to minimize bad consequences for yourself, killing the police and trying to escape becomes the most reasonable course of action: if they get you, you are dead anyway. So where is the point in settling for less?
What incentive for deescalation would police be able to offer?
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"Give up! Yes doing so guarantees that you will be executed, but if you make it easy for us we might not 'accidentally' smash your face in and break a few bones bringing you in!"
Yeah, putting a desperate person in a position where they've got nothing to lose and the only chance they have to survive is to escape at any cost(because there is nothing they can do to make their situation worse) is a really stupid move and is pretty much guaranteed to cause serious problems.
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Not that it is TOTALLY without merit, it just has so little it is hardly worth mentioning, let alone responding to. Hint: silly lady arguments are pretty obvious to all us guys.
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The cop wins and the criminal gets caught and or killed, or caught then killed by a death sentence and you guys shit on the cops here on TD.
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The criminal wins and kills the cop and all you guys get to celebrate about it here on TD.
Pretty much a win/win for you either way.
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We criticize a police officer when they violate the law, then escape their due punishment. Only a handful of fools who post here celebrate an officer’s death, and they do not represent the community in general.
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And why is this person desperate? Because they are a criminal and are about to be caught, right?
Maybe, maybe not.
It could be that they're in that position because they deliberately broke the law and knowingly killed a cop, or it could be that it was just a string of bad choices on their or the police's part. Perhaps they were a criminal but didn't mean to kill, a no-knock raid in the middle of the night startles an armed homeowner who thinks they're being burgled, or some other similar situation occurs.
So instead of giving up, they try to kill the cop trying to arrest them.
That's the thing though, if they're already facing death if they get arrested because they killed another cop, accidentally or not, doing so won't make their situation any worse, but it might make it better at least in the short-term by allowing them to escape.
This is one of the reasons the law is so stupid, because it makes it so that people in that position have nothing to lose. They will be executed if they're caught, so why wouldn't they do whatever they could to try to escape? If someone knows that surrender will result in death then why would they ever do so?
A desperate person is likely to make rash, stupid decisions, and you'd be hard pressed to find a factor more likely to make a person desperate than the knowledge that they are going to die.
As for the strawman you threw together, starting with the first scenario...
If the person in question deliberately killed someone, cop or not, and they get caught, then they've demonstrated that they are a very real threat to those around them, so incarceration is absolutely justified I'd say, though death might not be(haven't really put much thought into death as a punishment, though just tossing the idea around for a bit offhand I'd lean away from it in general unless the prisoner chooses it), so 'shitting on the cops', not so much.
If it wasn't a deliberate murder on the other hand then I'd be hard pressed to agree that execution is justified, given it takes an action that is normally likely to get some prison time(or possible even none) and instantly turns it into a death sentence simple because the person killed has a badge. Such blatant double-standards like that I most certainly don't agree with, though even then I'd be critical of the law and the legal system that applied it, the cop(s) likely wouldn't even enter into it.
And now the second...
Starting again with the case of deliberate murder, then a terrible thing is doubled, so nothing to celebrate, though if the only reason they killed again was because of the law then a terrible act was compounded for a stupid reason and there's certainly grounds for a feeling of disgust on top of regret for a death.
If it was the case of manslaughter, again terrible thing, and once again if the only reason they killed again is because the brilliant law put them in a position such that they had nothing to lose then it's doubly unfortunate that two people died.
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He has professional help. Too bad his lawyer cannot serve as his therapist.
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Oh, you dirty bird, work the shaft.
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Damn. When you give someone head, you give them your whole fuckin’ head!
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Did you lose your mind, or did it walk out on you alongside your ex-wife?
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But you do have a point, perhaps I should explain to the other well intentioned anonymous coward: This is an imaginary world, inspired by Stephen T. Stone imagining that I was that Shiva guy. He inspired this whole thing with his first leap out of reality. We just took a short romp around the Monte Python area of my mind using Stephen T. Stone as our inspiration. Personally, I think my imagination tops his, what do you think? He imagines I am Shiva, and lying about it. How cowardly his imagination is, I don't think the future Senator Shiva is like that at all. I think he's quite an upstanding fellow, and would never need to hide his opinion under a false name. Not like TechDirt posters do. It looks like a lot of different people, but I think it's just one or two nasty ones handing off to each other. Not like Senator Shiva at all. I don't know why you imagine such a nice fellow would be so deceptive. Could it be a mirror into your own mind and character?
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Have a nice day. :)
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Kimosabee, you said THE NAME. It was written long ago in the stars that there would be one, and only one, who when you said THE NAME of the one, defamation would case. Also stupid comments would not appear. And besides that, the market would go up.
Tonto, that's amazing! Oh, yeah, I said THE NAME. Of course, that's it. CHARLES HARDER. Wow, Market up again? (looks like)
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Did you have to work at achieving this level of stupid, or was it gifted to you at birth?
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The other is that the only one stupid and desperate enough to be repeatedly posting on this article, on a day that was a public holiday on both sides of the Atlantic, is you. Everybody else had lives, family, reality to address instead. While you were trying to make up bad Lone Ranger fanfic in response to yourself, people were out contributing to the world or surrounding themselves with people who matter to them.
I wish that would be enough for you to re-evaluate your life choices and your mental state but, alas, you'll probably just declare that this means you "won" something.
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And about contributing to the world, well, you can have your opinion and I can have mine, right? Pointing out the wretched stink of this site with its disgusting sexual innuendo (yes that means you) and moronic arguments (you again) to it is not journalism at all (not even close) does indeed seem like a public service to me, and a contribution to both the greater good and the theme of this holiday, those who sacrificed their lives to preserve the great United States of America.
So, my small act of patriotism on this special holiday was to point out the stink, cowardice and stupidity spewed by many of the TechDirt "insiders" (that's you), and in this special case, your stupid ideas about victimizing criminals and demonizing the police. Hurt a cop, and the public, through the government, will hurt you back. Great idea. Think of the cops as our older and stronger "brothers in arms", united with us against a common enemy (criminals), that's the right metaphor. Respect them, support them, remember their fallen, and don't put up with foul-mouthed low-character disgusting sexual comments from maladjusted females posing as men. Happy Memorial Day.
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Interesting, your comment here appears to be in response to Stephens' comment, yet the rest appears to be attacking me.
Are you actually too stupid to understand that you were responding to 2 different people, or has your mental capability deteriorated so much that you now believe that everybody else posting on the site is the same person?
"And about contributing to the world, well, you can have your opinion and I can have mine, right?"
Yes, that's not a problem. It's the weird way that you decided to have a conversation with yourself when nobody else was paying you attention that gets concern, not that you have an opinion, no matter how deluded it clearly is. Normal people don't talk to themselves as the Lone Ranger when it takes a few hours to get a reply on a message board.
"its disgusting sexual innuendo (yes that means you)"
Please indicate where I have used such innuendo. Note: no matter your fantasies, I only post under this username.
"many of the TechDirt "insiders" (that's you)"
No, it's not. Actually, neither of the people you seem to have been responding to has an Insider badge on their profile. Is this another manifestation of your mental illness?
"maladjusted females posing as men"
Those hallucinations are still not real. You don't suddenly not look like a deluded idiot just because you wish that what you make up about other people was real.
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Apparently the bogeyman of women posing as men makes him have a hissy fit, but not the fact that he - and My_Name_Here - are absolutely enthusiastic about writing Melania/Shiva and Shiva/My_Name_Here fanfiction.
This is the tool who Shiva Ayyadurai has put in charge of his public relations department.
That's genuinely scary, and not for the reasons the Hamiltonian thinks.
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So sue them for it.
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Who is "you" in this case? Are you saying that Stephen T. Stone is a defendant in this case? If not, why would the judge be persuaded in his direction one way or the other? Are you saying that the judge is going to be affected in his decision making by people who are not involved in the lawsuit in any way? That sounds very strange.
If the judge is reading this, I do hope he has a better grasp of reality and the difference between individual people. If he's going to let anonymous comments here affect him, I hope he also notes the character of the mentally unstable fellow who is the plaintiff's sole support.
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If Shiva is actually affiliated with this dunderhead they have a pretty twisted understanding of how the law actually works. I mean, more twisted than the informed readership expected.
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Why?
Has a website ever been "shutdown" because of what you call defamation? I do not recall any such case but then I do not follow that sort of thing closely, perhaps you have information you would like to share?
I thought defamation was a civil issue which possibly results in a monetary exchange - and that is it.
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Reality is NOT that I am Shiva's sole supporter. Think about that. He really is running for the senate, he has thousands of supporters already, and was recently featured on the national news. Reality is that this website is already defending itself in court against defamation. Reality is that normal people do not post here because of the hideous treatment they get, and there is no free speech here. Which you yourself point out quite clearly.
No free speech here, Judge, just look for yourself. Don't buy their argument, their speech is not worth protecting. At all. By demonstration.
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It has been a while since I have seen the “free speech for me but not for thee” argument around here.
Newsflash, Shiva: The law protects speech with which you disagree.
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...but you jump straight to the assumption that Stephen is affected by the lawsuit. Why is that?
"As to a "grasp of reality", read the first sentence of the article posted above. "
What is untrue about that sentence?
"I believe this whole blog does not represent reality at all"
I believe it does. So?
"Which you yourself point out quite clearly."
What are you babbling on about here?
"Reality is NOT that I am Shiva's sole supporter"
Never said you were, only that you're the only one obsessively defending him here. It's hard to tell people who refuse to have their comments differentiated apart, which is why you insist on anonymously attacking people who provide such a distinction (even though your paranoid hallucinations lead you to believe there's only one of us actually posting). But, I believe I'm correct in saying that you are the only person doing that.
"No free speech here, Judge, just look for yourself."
If that were true, we'd be free of your drooling nonsense because you'd have been barred long ago. Yet, here you are, still free to act like a stalker who forgot to take his meds and rave against his perceived persecution...
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Which one? The point about your free speech not being blocked or the one about you acting mentally unstable and unable to deal with what's happening in the real world? Both are worth serious consideration next time you have a moment of clarity.
"So, best of luck, I think your collective goose is cooked, but who knows?"
How is my "goose" "cooked"? I might have to use one of the other communities I regularly frequent once if the con men, liars and frauds you support manage to take down a legitimate site for exercising their free speech to expose them? That would be a damn shame, but it hardly impacts on my real life.
Or, does one of your hallucinations involve me having any relationship to this site other than as a regular commenter who likes poking at trolls and idiots when they've derailed real discussion?
"That would make sense"
The word "sense", as with words like "reality" seem to have very different definitions in that damaged brain of yours to the rest of humanity.
I do, however, take note that you have yet again ignored direct questions in favour of barely coherent rambling and another half-baked conspiracy theory.
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What community? You've gone on and on about how supposedly successful and rich and famous you lot are and haven't so much as substantiated anything? Is it a community of fanfiction writers who ship One True Pairings for Shiva Ayyadurai with a side order of delusions of grandeur?
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https://shiva4senate.com/
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Makes as much sense as acting like a lunatic to try and garner votes, or targeting an international audience for a local US election campaign, I suppose. Probably just as effective, too.
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It makes no sense to try and promote the candidacy here, other than the fact that you're already here to tilt at windmills.
The other "facts" are just your deranged interpretation of reality, of course. But given that you can't keep straight who you're actually talking to, it's a given that you also don't know what you're talking about either.
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Your outrage is fake.
The money you probably earn from posting bullshit is real.
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To hell with the constitution you say. Only speech you agree with is worth protecting, typical tyrant right there.
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I don't think that you know what the word fact means. You assert your ex wife's arguments were stupid, which is a subjective adjective. Facts are objective. Unless you meant that as an alternative fact. MAGA indeed lol.
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Facts not in evidence.
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As an example you have a tendency to make ad hominem (or maybe more accurately, ad feminam) arguments. A specific example is when you stated, "you are a pissy poster in a poor disguise." In case you aren't familiar with the term, the ad hominem fallacy is an attack on an opponent's character or personal traits in an attempt to undermine their argument. While they tend to work quite well in politics due to short attention spans and a bias towards equivalence in media reporting, anyone who knows anything about logical debate will immediate see your fallacy and recognize it as undermining your own argument since it is a technique frequently used to distract from the attacker's own indefensible arguments.
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Waco Daco is what we call this stuff in Texas, but I don't live in Texas, now, do I? Not many posters from Texas, but if there were, I think they would vote Waco Daco category for most of these posts every time.
"Idiot" Senators indeed (first line of the article). You guys are all pathetic losers, and should respect your betters. Leave the public opinions to the adults in the room, and quit trying to hide behind a poorly expressed English lesson to justify your stupid ideas. (See, I said Stupid Ideas, no Stupid Idiots. Give it a try - maybe you can have another kind of idea besides a stupid idea, it's possible!)
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Out of curiosity - is there anyone posting here who you *don't* think is Wendy?
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Well, we will have to agree to disagree there.
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Because the point wasn't addressed to me, and I thought that the one about everybody on this site being the alt of a woman you've developed a weird obsession over was more important.
If we're on the subject of avoiding direct questions, however, you're doing a very good job of avoiding the ones I posed to you much earlier.
"Be man, confront the moronic argument head on."
I am. It's just that the one I chose to address was even more moronic that the one you've chosen.
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I'm also entertained by the fact that you bring up the whole lumberjack/LEO argument again when it seems fairly well settled in that thread that you lost. You ridiculed the dangers of trees versus criminals using sophomoric humor, but never addressed the fact that a lumberjack is 39 times likelier to die on the job than a law enforcement officer. If anyone is "Waco Daco" it seems like it's you.
You falsely equate passive trees to the occupational hazards of lumberjacks and then reduce the strawman you just created to a moronic argument, but you're the moron that doesn't know how to make a logical argument. I thought you were a big, bad, logical MAN, and that women are the emotionally oriented illogical simpletons you make them out to be. By your own standard you're using a feminine argument style. While I don't believe your standards since I'm not a misogynist, I hope it makes you cringe to think about how feminine your behavior is.
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Back to the point: The original article is biased, stupid, badly written and is in a form that no real American would ever accept as anything even related to Journalism. The tone is impossibly disrespectful. That's just fact. This would be an 'F' in any reasonable high school.
I think you're all a bunch of decidedly ignorant foreigners posing as someone else for money and trashing American values and American laws and American customs and American history.
There is no doubt that you have strayed so far away from what any American holds dear that you will receive no sympathy at all in the US, especially the Commonwealth of Massachusetts. Whether you have in fact broken a US law that can be enforced against you in civil court is in play right now. You can guess what I hope happens, I'm an American. As is Shiva, Charles, Melania and Donald (President Donald J. Trump, the Magnificent). God Bless America, American law, American culture, American values and American history.
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This is debatable
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I have seen better trolling on 4chan. Hell, I have done better trolling on 4chan.
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"Back to the point: The original article is biased, stupid, badly written and is in a form that no real American would ever accept as anything even related to Journalism."
Lumberjack/LEO argument? Crickets.
Thanks for proving me right, tovarishch. Tell Putin to dock your pay for this round, since you're a terrible troll. Maybe spend some more time on 4chan or 9gag rustling jimmies before you come back here and try to play with the big boys again. It's a lot harder to get a rise out of adults than a bunch of teenagers.
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Anyone who disagrees with you is a pathetic loser - got it.
Respect is earned, not demanded.
Betters - just wtf does that mean anyway.
- Better at accumulating riches?
- Better at espousing propaganda?
- Better at brainwashing the gullible?
None of these means you are better than anyone else.
I really do not care about your inferiority complex.
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yeah! Right! of course it isn't! of course it wont! if you dont believe me, i'll shoot you!!
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How about this BETTER protection to the Citizan's. Far, far more getting KILLED unarmed, shot my the police and usually in the back. Then getting away with it!!!
What is even more crazy, the person is dead or almost dead and getting hand cuffs put on and then just bleeding out to death. Thank goodness for the cop just standing there and calling it in and doing a whole lot of nothing to that unarmed cuffed person that in general did nothing wrong. The police almost ALWAYS gets away with it. yet what do we need, More laws protecting the police. This is just laughable.
The simple fact is, it isn't more police getting hurt these days then in the past, it's the Citizen's getting killed because of these Militarized Police!!! It's shoot first and ask questions later. They all LIE!!! They all cover for themselves. And magically, all their camera's failed to work.
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