NFL Tells ICE That Parody Shirts Are Counterfeits
from the beck-and-call dept
For years now, we've pointed out that ICE -- Immigration and Customs Enforcement -- has this weird habit of acting as the private police force of various big sporting leagues, almost always timed to big sporting events. Every year, right before the Super Bowl, for example, ICE seizes a bunch of websites. And ICE also goes way overboard in seizing physical merchandise, even if that's at least slightly closer to its mission. But it's been painfully obvious that ICE more or less sees itself as an arm of these sports leagues, rather than employees of the US government, and thus, the public. Last year, I filed some FOIA requests about ICE seizures leading up to the Super Bowl, but had them rejected on the basis that it was an ongoing investigation.
However, law professor Rebecca Tushnet is much more persistent than I am, and has been pursuing documents related to ICE seizures in the courts, and has had the court force ICE to hand over details -- including the not-at-all surprising, but still horrifying discovery that the NFL gives ICE guidance on what to seize, and it includes obvious parodies which are clearly not infringing, as they're protected by fair use. This is from the manual that the NFL provided ICE:
And, sure, perhaps it's true that NFL licensed merchandise won't favor one club over or another or make derogatory use of another's marks... but it's easy to argue that this is parody and thus not infringing. Just because it's not licensed, doesn't automatically make it infringing. But the NFL doesn't care. And I guess that's not surprising that the NFL doesn't care -- but it's astounding that ICE just agrees to follow the NFL's marching orders. Because unlike the NFL, ICE should actually follow what the law says, and not what a very wealthy sports league wants to happen.
As Tushnet points out in response to this:
So, what do we know? (1) Despite ICE's initial claims to me via its spokesperson and a lawyer, ICE relies only on industry guides to identify counterfeits, not on any independent sources. (2) Those industry guides identify what they don't like, not what is within the scope of counterfeit goods. (3) Most of what ICE seizes is truly counterfeit, but when it seizes parody merchandise, it implicates First Amendment interests in free speech.
Considering that this is ICE, who has a history of seizing blogs based on big industry claims, it seems quite clear that ICE couldn't care much less about the First Amendment interests of the public. Just the profits of big industry.
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Other clubs
It's not doing either. There's no "other club" mentioned at all, so nobody's being favored (the author might believe they all suck). It's making a derogatory use of a club's marks, but not another club's.
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The FCC works for cable cartels
ICE works for sports cartels
DOJ works for media cartels
Its a pity there is no one in washington working for us.
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ya so
NOTHING cause your all too weak to try
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LLC = Limited Libertarian Culture.
For contrast, I'd remove the special laws that grant the NFL a LEGALIZED MONOPOLY, and shut down the whole schmear. -- Because I'm a real libertarian.
Not Masnick. He has NO objection to the NFL controlling tens of billions of sheer profit on useless "sport" and still getting government subsidies to build sports stadiums -- which amounts to outright fascism, only carps about what he views as too-zealous use of its monopoly in prohbiting some T-shirts.
Sheesh. Shows clearly how the range of debate is always stifled by the born rich nothing can be fundamentally wrong with a system that lands them at the top.
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Re: LLC = Limited Libertarian Culture.
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I prefer the Canadian Football League's attitude towards shirts, though...
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/manitoba/cfl-diversity-is-strength-t-shirts-released-after-ra cial-violence-in-u-s-1.4246831
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Re: LLC = Limited Libertarian Culture.
If you want to fight locally everywhere to stop counties and cities from subsidizing stadiums and all the extra police presence, or argue that corporations should be limited in extent and time for a singular purpose, I'm all for that.
Not sure where you get your ideas about what Mike personally believes about particular things. As far as i have been able to tell, he is all for limiting the powers of some of these creatures.
Not sure how any of the above is fascism, although the way many corp/gov interactions go, it has an element of reverse fascism to it.
I don't see how any debate is stifled, but everyone who opens up like you do generally gets a pass from much of the commentariat. But you do perhaps seem to subscribe to a form of libertarianism, which i have seen before, but not frequently at all, with which i find some common ground.
Maybe if you un-stifle yourself and engage a bit more constructively, others would join whatever discussion you might wish to have.
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American Tax Dollars pay for any wrongdoing
US tax dollars pay for lots of wrongdoing, not as a side effect, but as the main purpose.
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Re: Re: LLC = Limited Libertarian Culture.
The monopolies people are complaining about are billion dollar plus a year businesses that are effectively state actors and or state sponsored. They ignore rules about lobbying, job offers and seemingly every other obstacle placed in the way of stiffing monopolies killing off innovation and jobs.
Take a broad look at what is being discussed and stop making straw man arguments that fit your agenda.
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Re: LLC = Limited Libertarian Culture.
There's more if you search under the NFL company tag on TD.
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As long as you "think" that the political parties have ya by the balls they do.
Like Obama says... "you get the politicians you deserve"...
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They are freaking scam artists.
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Bengal stripes
ICE will be ordered to confiscate all tigers world wide. But, ICE can't do that since most tigers live outside of the U.S.
Then, someone will point out that tigers have been known to indiscriminately attack humans (mostly Africans and Asian subcontinent dwellers) and are thus classified as terrorists.
That will open the full force of the U.S. government to wipe out these terrorist pirates for copying Bengal stripes without being properly licensed.
Good riddance you evil tigers!!!
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So, exactly how am I getting the politicians I deserve? I voted for the other persons ... not that they would be doing a better job at the moment but they might not be actively trying to start another friggin war.
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Re: LLC = Limited Libertarian Culture.
What are these laws?
Also, aren't they exempt from the anti trust laws?
Not sure why this is other than crony bullshitism.
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Really, really basic question: If the shirts aren't offshore imports (and I certainly don't know either way in this case), why would Customs... Immigration and Customs Enforcement... have any jurisdiction to even ponder the licensed-vs-parody question? Their the "import police"; there's no plausible domestic infringement assignment for ICE, as far as I know. Tip for parodists: manufacture domestically.
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No it's not
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" *NFL licensed merchandise will never favor one Club over another or make derogatory use of another Club's marks. "
So this source claiming the pictured design is a "counterfeit" on one line, is in the following sentence explicitly saying that the pictured design doesn't resemble licensed merchandise. No resemblance = cannot be a counterfeit.
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If any of them are mistreated by law enforcement or other government agency in the US, the company files an ISDS complaint on the grounds that corporate bylaws require that the company defend shareholders, and that defense is costing the company the profits it would normally have, but has to spend on legal measures such as the ISDS filing.
An ISDS tribunal can override national laws, and fine government agencies. Problem solved.
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Re: Bengal stripes
Actually, probably not. AFAIK, there are significantly more tigers in captivity in the US than alive in the wild. I suppose the total of wild and tigers in captivity in other countries might top 50%, but I'd imagine not by much!
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That idea ignores the existence of parody (and possibly other considerations), but it's at least internally consistent.
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