Deputy Who Rear-Ended Driver At 104 MPH Had Horrendous Service Record, Received Almost Zero Discipline
from the God,-why-do-good/indifferent-things-happen-to-bad-cops? dept
Normally, I wouldn't grab an isolated story about police misconduct and present it here. The misconduct is indeed serious -- an officer involved in high-speed crash that left another man critically injured -- but one cop doing something dumb is barely even newsworthy these days.
But the more you read about this law enforcement officer, the worse it gets. And it starts with Deputy Brandon Hegele nailing a smart car driven by a sixty-year-old man while Hegele was travelling 100+ MPH towards a suspect he'd already been told repeatedly not to pursue.
The dashcam video (which can be viewed at the link above) shows Hegele weaving in and out of traffic. It then shows the accident victim safely executing a U-turn… well, would have safely executed a U-turn if Deputy Hegele hadn't been driving at over 100 MPH without his lights or siren on.
Hegele got lucky. The other driver, not so much.
That crash was into the rear of a Smart car driven by Harry Deshommes. While Hegele did not suffer any serious injuries, Deshommes had to have his spleen removed and suffered from a skull fracture, a traumatic brain injury, a broken left arm, a broken back, several broken ribs and a broken pelvis, according to CBS 12. Deshommes’ Smart car reportedly rolled several times after impact.
Deputy Hegele was placed on unpaid leave after the accident. HOLD YOUR APPLAUSE.
Well before that critical crash, the sheriff's office documented several traffic-related incidents in the deputy's career, starting early on, Internal Affairs records show.
Let the record[s] show that Deputy Hegele:
- backed into a parked cruiser
- fell asleep at the wheel, hitting a median and causing more than $1000 worth of damage
- rear-ended a car at an intersection, causing $4000 worth of damage
- rear-ended yet another car, causing $12,000 worth of damage
And, finally, the coup de grace of Hegele's super-shitty law enforcement driving career (not including the event above):
Failed to report a crash until hours after it happened and once he had replaced the car’s flat tires. Investigators believe Hegele attempted to respond to a robbery call and hit either a curb or a sidewalk that slashed two of his tires. The report said Hegele called to let dispatch know he was having issues with his vehicle and to put him out of service, but did not say what happened. Then, he called another deputy to bring him spare tires, went to a restaurant for dinner and then called a sergeant nearly two hours after the incident happened to report the damage.
In most of these cases, Hegele only received a written reprimand. In a couple of them, he was suspended without pay -- for a total of two days between both incidents. Hegele has lost his driving privileges twice, for a total of 120 days.
But there's even more:
Other than traffic crashes, Hegele has been cited numerous times for “indifference to policies and procedures.”
In 2012, Internal Affairs investigators said in the first three months of the year Hegele had 72 calls for service he responded to. Of those, 52 cases required log entries by the deputies to document the case to go along with a case number. Hegele only submitted nine, according to records.
There was a chance to send Hegele packing before he did any more damage. He failed a vehicle inspection for leaving his personal weapon in the patrol car, wedged between the seat and the console with a bullet missing. The weapon was "clearly visible" from outside the vehicle. Hegele couldn't explain why a bullet was missing but said he put the gun there to keep it away from his 4-year-old daughter while he was moving. Also inside the vehicle? A signed Miranda rights waiver card, wholly separated from the investigation file it apparently went with.
Instead of being fired, the department gave Hegele -- who at that point had already been involved in five car accidents and multiple Internal Affairs investigations -- a "last chance:" 15 days suspension and a transfer. The only upside of this "last chance" was the agreement revoked Hegele's option to challenge any future for-cause firings, which is what should follow his latest accident.
Hegele is now on trial for reckless driving, which is extremely lenient considering the number of charges he could face for his actions. Undoubtedly, he will be leaving behind a bunch of frustrated, angry co-workers who likely cannot understand why someone so toxic was allowed to pollute their ranks for so long.
But if anything's going to prevent future Hegeles, it's his agency realizing it's far too lax when it comes to handing out punishment for misconduct. Hegele managed to rack up several thousand dollars-worth of damages in his career, along with whatever collateral damage accrued from his sloppy habits and policework. In return, he received some stern paper-waving and two unpaid days off. Calling that "absurd" makes the word "absurd" as meaningless as "literally." It's horrendous and inexcusable. Hegele may be on his way out, but if Palm Beach County Sheriff's Department wants to be taken seriously, it will be sending a lot of supervisors and officials packing as well.
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Short answer is: Yes, we do.https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20110725/17451715249/how-should-law-enforcement-handle-being-fi lmed-officer-lyons-provides-perfect-example.shtml
https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20131212/15041325 552/canadian-cop-puts-impromptu-clinic-how-to-deal-with-critics-cameras.shtml
https://www.techdirt.co m/articles/20161024/08421935871/leaked-recording-austin-police-chief-tears-into-commanders-fatal-sho otings-use-excessive-force.shtml
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https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20 151123/09292832888/body-cameras-save-another-law-enforcement-officer-bogus-sexual-misconduct-complai nt.shtml
https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20170528/11063337468/this-machine-kills-accountability-ong oing-persecution-good-cops.shtml
The longer answer is this:
Police misconduct in the US is epidemic. While the number of officers making headlines for misdeeds is indeed a small percentage of the overall whole, the fact is there is little accountability in most law enforcement agencies.
It's very rare we see law enforcement officers engaged in exemplary behavior. Asking why we don't publish celebrations of competence and basic human decency is a question that answers itself. We expect law enforcement officers to hold themselves to a higher standard. Far too often, it appears they're uninterested in doing so. There's really no reason to lower standards on our end -- especially when our collective signature is on their paychecks -- just to appear more "fair" in our coverage.
I have no objection to publishing more positive stories about law enforcement. The problem is much that's suggested would reduce us to patting officers on the back for not being complete assholes when dealing with their fellow humans.
There are amazing men and women out there in the world of law enforcement. Unfortunately, they're a minority. And, for the most part, they're an extremely un-vocal minority. Accountability begins at the top, but that's no excuse for officers refusing to hold each other accountable when management fails to do so.
This isn't meant as a criticism of you or your concern. I would prefer a nation where stories like these -- ones that often include long histories of unaddressed misconduct -- weren't daily occurrences.
As for your suggestion: do you have some recent instances that come to mind re: police doing amazing things? I am sincere when I say I'd love to see them.
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Perhaps LEOs need a kill switch installed in their cruisers.
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These exist? Last I checked every time we catch one of these stories something along the lines of this has been happening...
"the more you read about this law enforcement officer, the worse it gets."
Yea, color me surprised! Sorry, but the so called "good officers" that exist are not working to push these so called "bad officers" out, therefore... no "good officers" exist!
From the lowest beat cop to the highest judges... the innocent and poor are being ground to bits through the gears of "justice"!
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And after that, next you'll be asking for a “donation” to the police “benevolent” fund?
What happens if the editorial policy doesn't change? You gonna tell everyone, ‘something bad might happen…’
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I understand what you are trying to get at, and yes it would be nice to see some positive news, but you can't use that tripe to attack someone talking negatively about a group of people with "super special privileges"!
Banksters, Judges, Politicians, and the Police are all first class citizens... we are 2nd!
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Reading comprehension.
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http://www.lovemeow.com/police-officers-save-kittens-and-care-for-them-1608392318.html
Yes it's from 2014, but on the plus side it does feature adorable kittens...
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I have a member of the family that loved to clash with the law. I never did any of that stuff, but being associated with them as family means that I am just as guilty in their eyes. I have had police pull me over for looking to rich in a poor neighborhood, lied about me not using a blinker properly, and arrested cuffed and throw me into the back of a car for lying when I was not lying, I was released later because word got to that family member that I was going to be arrested for lying if they did not turn themselves in.
Yes, my perception has been heavily colored by my own very personal experience with law enforcement having never done a single thing wrong. It is so very nice that the police will threaten to RUIN the life of an innocent to catch the guilty.
Sorry, there is far too much at stake here. And to call this fake news... well, it is just that sad.
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Next learn not to confuse things that are fact (This article which is substantiated and we'll documented) with things that are "fake" (your opinion which involves things that are made up).Just some friendly advice.
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So it's a polite shakedown.
Tell ya what: why don't you just grab some donuts and a free cup of coffee. Then you can just walk out. No need to pay. You got something for your trouble.
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I think these stories are especially important for those who love and support our police.
Negative feedback is an important part of continual improvement. Negative stories show how the process of policing can be improved.
Positive stories show what is already working. How does that help to improve police work?
Why would Americans who love and support our police not want to help police to do an even better job?
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And I'm starting to think they are the ones who are supposed to be passing out punishments.
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Spell Check
Is this man's name "Hegele" or "Hegle"? Please pick one and then get it right every time.
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"...if you read only Techdirt, you would have a terrible opinion of the police..."
I take issue with this. Most mainstream internet news sites report on police shootings such as Philando Castile, Michael Brown, Justine Damond... as do progressive sites. I would expect them to. It's news.
Let me assure you that these outrages make tea-time TV news in Europe, courtesy of the BBC, Euronews, ZDF... And guess what we see in European broadsheet newspapers? And our tabloids? Indeed, US cops are achieving global notoriety.
Painting Techdirt as the villain achieves nothing. The police culture in the US needs to change, and it needs to start at the top; the administrators, the unions, the training, the equipment, the prosecution services, the courts...
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Your story is troubling, you are right about that. If I was in your position, I would feel violated, as well. And I would probably celebrate articles that point out similar unfair behavior.
I learned something new today, thank you for that.
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There are sites that report on medical malpractice issues. No one is asking them to report on doctors doing amazing things every day.
There are sites that report on issues with legal representation. No one is asking them to report on lawyers doing amazing things every day.
There are sites that report on restaurants with poor health inspections. No one is asking them to report on restaurants serving amazing food every day.
You can "love and support your police" all you want, but if you can't handle seeing some negative articles about them without a need for false, irrelevant balance, then maybe you aren't really supporting them very well.
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This is a story of police misconduct. The "other side" would be the sides of the officers involved, their superiors, etc.
A story about another cop in another department stopping a robbery or rescuing a cat or issuing a speeding ticket has literally nothing to do with this story.
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About the "US needs to change", yes, of course, we could always improve. And the US does change a lot every few years after elections, for example, President Trump is a big change, right? You just have to be a little thoughtful about how to effect change, the right way to do it is with elections, right, that's the least disruptive to the productivity, wealth and stability of our society. Would you agree with that?
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I don't know, but I would guess that this officer is human, too. Maybe there is more to the story than is brought out in the article. Maybe he had some personal challenges in his life, just like all of us do. Maybe he deserves some consideration as a human, some compassion and understanding that we would give ourselves when we make a mistake, maybe even the benefit of the doubt, because of the difficult nature of his job. Maybe not, maybe he's a monster, maybe they are all monsters. Or may they are just ordinary Joes, like us, doing their best to get by from day to day and live up to everyone else's expectations.
How do you see it?
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But I was just asking Editor Mike to consider a change to his editorial policy, after all, and I was asking nicely. Can't fault me too much for that, can you? Asking is not evil, is it?
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That would certainly be a novel response when an ordinary citizen gravely injures someone through criminal negligence.
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You seem to be viewing this from a good vs. bad perspective.
"Condemning violence against police would be a good article concept, wouldn't it?"
What would be the point of such an article? I am unaware of there being some controversy over whether or not murder is a good thing.
Are you suggesting that there is a controversy over whether or not people should shoot police?
Compare to this article where there seems to be a suggestion that instances of police misconduct should be handled differently. It identifies a possible problem and suggests a solution.
There is clearly some controversy over how strongly police should be protected from allegations of misconduct.
I think the best articles are ones that offer a new perspective. I don't see how condemning violence against police would make for a good article because I don't see how it could offer a new perspective.
If you have written such an article it could be interesting, but it would be helpful to explain why a subject would make for a good article before trying to convince someone else to write such an article.
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That is what I was referring too.
"If I was in your position, I would feel violated, as well."
Agree, there is definitely no way I could think that people would not feel violated, even though most understand why the police have gotten that way about things. It just will never be right, no matter how hard their jobs become.
"And I would probably celebrate articles that point out similar unfair behavior."
I am glad to see these articles being brought up to get a conversation going and to raise awareness, but no I do not celebrate them. I think for the most part a lot of people still have a positive view of law enforcement because they just have not been in a position to experience the guilty by accusation situations that often occur.
But yea, sitting in the back of a cop car in cuffs while under arrest while they tell your other family member they will arrest me for real by hauling me to actual jail unless they turn themselves in really does color ones perception a bit.
It colors it enough for me that I cannot watch cop shows were law enforcement regularly declares that they will do things like intentionally get paper work lost, hold innocent or accused people as long as they can, or even threaten to charge them with terrorism unless they cooperate all because they think the person is guilty or that they have information they want or need. And that is before they get in front of a prosecutor that threatens to send you to jail for life over a joint your friend hid in your car, unless you plead guilty and be out in 6 months.
Heck, I remember sitting in court, where they process a whole bunch of folks at once and there was a kid that stole a cop car, for the 2nd time, and all he got was 3 month probation extension, meaning he was already on probation. Shortly after that, another kid was sentence to juvy hall for 2 weeks for petty fighting at school, it was his first fight. The only thing I can think of... is that kid stealing police cars had connections while that other white kid fighting was seen as trailer trash and in need of summary judgement. Heck, the police car thief was even fairly disrespectful to the judge and was threatened with contempt.
It's amazing what I got to see because of my vagrant and petty criminal of a family member, just by sitting and watching their court appearances, visiting them in jail, and all of those associated antics and issues.
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The same goes for most media stories about those encounters. "Citizen Acts Reasonably" isn't a headline.
Reporting on police works the same way. Most police are good and reasonable, but "Cop Acts Reasonably" is rarely a headline for the same reasons as above.
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Most Plumbing does actually require a license which usually requires some form of apprenticeship or earning a degree to obtain, not sure about welding and site-cleanup.
My reference to who is a 1st or 2nd class citizens deals with how they are viewed within the law. As a regular citizen I am always a liar, while a Judge, a Police Officer, a Bankster, or a Politician will always be viewed as never liars in the eyes of the law.
They would ask, what reason would any of these "fine upstanding" folks have to lie about you?
I think we all know why... because I am a second class citizens when facing these 1st class citizens.
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In what way?
The OP asked to see some human kindness, some depth of feeling, and when you turn out your pockets, all you can show is someone stealing his bedding?
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That is genuinely the nature of the job. Even though I have a negative view of the police I readily admit that there are usually circumstance that legitimately deserve their direct attention. The police are not looking for innocent people to harass, but if they "think" you are guilty or suspicious they sure as heck do not care about your innocence, rights, or getting the facts wrong.
My problem is not specifically with the police giving me extra attention because of my family connections, my problem is when they lie and use their power to play with my life like a bargaining chip in the process when I have done nothing wrong.
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"Cop Acts Reasonably" is rarely a headline
Well, sometimes it is. Usually when it's followed by " - Is Threatened and Hounded Out of Department by Fellow Officers"
Random example: https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20170528/11063337468/this-machine-kills-accountability-on going-persecution-good-cops.shtml
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It does not matter if you lie or not, the police just have to believe you are lying and convince the court/jury of it, that is all that is necessary. There are people in jail on that alone because the police could not stick any other crimes to people and that was the only way they could put them in jail.
No, there is no recourse for this problem, its just one more way you can be in jail for nothing.
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This leads me to lean in the monster direction. I don't have a problem with giving some leeway to officers doing their jobs, but not very much when they do them with abandon. We truly need to have them held to a higher standard for what I feel are very obvious reasons.
No officer should ever be speeding without some form of visual notification so that people can quickly identify that an officer is active in the area AND responding to an important event!
If they want to sneak up on a suspect, they don't have to speed for that!
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Here is another specific suggestion: Keep a diary. Get an lined engineering notebook with numbered pages, and write down how this abuse has affected you personally. Try to be factual, but feelings are real, too. Date the entries, do not leave large spaces between entries (cross them out if you have to), and write in your diary whenever you feel something negative that you believe was associated with this incident. Then, in the future, when you get advice about a damages theory, you will have admissible evidence of your damages. I know it sounds a little simplistic, but you might be surprised what a powerful weapon it is in court, and how it will help you understand your feelings, as well.
Again, good luck.
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But that doesn't mean Techdirt should post articles praising the man.
Just because ignorant people love and support bad people, doesn't miraculously make bad people into good people.
Under existing laws, there is no such thing as a non-corrupt, non-criminal cop. Aiding & abetting and conspiracy laws make sure of that.
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I'll share something with you from my life experience, perhaps it is similar to what you are trying to express. In my experience with monied people, there is often quite a strong correlation between how much money they have and how unethical they are. I can't say it's a hundred percent, perhaps there are some very moral rich people out there, but I have not met many, only a few. I have become somewhat skeptical of monied people, given my personal experiences.
That being said, I believe that on a jury in court, people are much more similar to you than they are to a well monied but unethical "bankster", as you put it. People see through money pretty fast, actually, don't you think?
So how are you "second class", do you mean financially, or ethnically, or measured by educational degree, or what exactly?
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Yes, I agree, they 'verbally' support a fair system. The problem comes down to them voting in a way that supports a fair system and they just don't. There is not much we can do about that, until we get close to a majority on it. Right now "tough on crime" politicians, prosecutors, and judges are still very much in vogue and many of this considers stuff like this just the cost of doing business. That is not even close to a joke either.
" I know it sounds a little simplistic, but you might be surprised what a powerful weapon it is in court,"
Oh, you are right that is is powerful, I will not be surprised by that, the problem is that it is like winning the lottery on those grounds. I need a judge willing to even allow the case to proceed to start with let alone them having any sympathy for my situation. It rarely exists. I will be quickly viewed as a citizen with an axe to grind.
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Not point of view, empirical evidence based on reading court law, settlements, prosecutions, and what does and does not go to court to begin with. There are just so many examples, but lets pick a common and simple one.
Civil Forfeiture. Police accuses your $100 as being drug money, and now you lost it. You have to hire a lawyer and challenge the state vs $100 in a court case you only have a 44% chance of winning according to the numbers and even if you win you might not even get it ALL back and the courts & lawyers still must be paid. And all of this despite the fact that the 4th & 5th amendments were clearly written to prevent just exactly this type of search and seizure without a warrant from happening in the first place. They literally breach 2 constitutional amendments in a single act!
"That being said, I believe that on a jury in court, people are much more similar to you than they are to a well monied but unethical "bankster", as you put it. People see through money pretty fast, actually, don't you think?"
Sir, let me assure you in no uncertain terms, people do not see through money. Additionally, most people are not fully informed jurors, they are quite ready to take the side of the police and the legal system as evidenced by many settled court cases and a lot of innocents in jail. Most people on the jury are too stupid to get out of it and are usually angry about being there. This is 'exactly' what the courts and lawyers want as well.
You cannot meet 10 people without 9 of them walking around thinking they know more than they do and thinking they are perfect judges of evidence and human character. This would be the Dunning-Kruger effect I am referring too.
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Respectfully, I believe people do see through money pretty fast. About people on the jury being stupid, that's a relative argument, we are all stupid in some areas.
And yes, everyone believes they have the best possible answer, frankly, what else could they believe? We all do our best, what else do we have to do besides establish our best guess? That's why we have juries and not kings, and why we argue in front of strangers to settle issues.
You and I, for example, we're strangers. Given the same facts, we might come to different conclusions. That's why a jury system is good, right, it gets everyone involved.
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If you want to read a blog or website that supports law enforcement without any criticism or complaint, you can find plenty of those elsewhere.
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Here's another idea for an article on a current topic - the confederate statues. How about an article that says hey, let people destroy, remove and spit on those statues if they are so inclined, just don't sweat it. We probably have 3D-models of those statues anyway, from pictures and such, and can just print another one in the future if we need one. Status used to be important historical records, but now our digital records are much more comprehensive, so how about taking a New York perspective and say "forget about it", let them tear down whatever they want. Maybe not Mt. Rushmore, but short of that, have at it, who cares? We have digital memories for everything we need anyway.
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High AND low level. There are more than enough cases out there were Judges and the court of public opinion have extra legal effects. Take the EpiPen debacle, or the Martin Shkreli situation. Pharmaceuticals are quite frequently committing fraud, but Shkreli turned public opinion against himself in a very bad way to the point where those around him distanced themselves which made him, unprotected. The government quickly opened a fraud case against him to garner public blessings, when they should have already done it before Shkreli become a public enemy. Same goes for the lowly kid that stole the cop car for the second time and only got 3 months more probation while a kid got juvenile detention for 2 weeks over their first fight and no prior records.
"Respectfully, I believe people do see through money pretty fast."
As a poor starving child that is now upper middle class, this has not been my experience at all. I even have to admit to a certain degree of money blinding even myself.
"About people on the jury being stupid, that's a relative argument, we are all stupid in some areas."
Yes, we all have our faults, but our responsibility as jurors should be less than 10% of our stupidity rather than 90% of it. More people are more worried about their vote for president than their ability to serve as a juror and directly block government tyranny, and that is just for the people who have not been tricked or threatened into signing their rights away or guilty for being innocent plea bargains.
"You and I, for example, we're strangers. Given the same facts, we might come to different conclusions. That's why a jury system is good, right, it gets everyone involved."
Yes this is why the Jury system is good, it requires a 100% conviction rate to convict. But that does not work unless the Jury is fully informed of their responsibility as Jurors.
the Judge just tells the Jury that they are only supposed to say if the defendant is guilty of running afoul of the law he is accused of breaking. They won't even dare to inform the jury that they have the right to acquit because the law is being used in an abusive way or even if they feel the law is just wrong to begin with. Jury Nullification is a phrase you can utter at selection, before, or during trial to get a judge to immediately get you out of jury duty along with everyone else that heard that word, or a mistrial, or contempt of court or jury tampering. How is that for just 2 simple words?
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Yeah, change should never disrupt society. We should have kept horse-drawn buggies around alongside automobiles, dammit.
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TD does not need to become an echo chamber, no one is served by it! it only makes the place stagnant and barren!
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I think you know more about your subject than I do, but we do have a couple of common points of reference. And just FYI, I do not see you as a second class citizen at all, you seem like a fellow American citizen to me.
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https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20110725/17451715249/how-should-law-enforcement-handle-being-fi lmed-officer-lyons-provides-perfect-example.shtml
https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20131212/15041325 552/canadian-cop-puts-impromptu-clinic-how-to-deal-with-critics-cameras.shtml
https://www.techdirt.co m/articles/20161024/08421935871/leaked-recording-austin-police-chief-tears-into-commanders-fatal-sho otings-use-excessive-force.shtml
https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20150526/10575331115/body-cam-foot age-clears-police-officer-bogus-sexual-assault-allegations.shtml
https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20 151123/09292832888/body-cameras-save-another-law-enforcement-officer-bogus-sexual-misconduct-complai nt.shtml
https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20170528/11063337468/this-machine-kills-accountability-ong oing-persecution-good-cops.shtml
The longer answer is this:
Police misconduct in the US is epidemic. While the number of officers making headlines for misdeeds is indeed a small percentage of the overall whole, the fact is there is little accountability in most law enforcement agencies.
It's very rare we see law enforcement officers engaged in exemplary behavior. Asking why we don't publish celebrations of competence and basic human decency is a question that answers itself. We expect law enforcement officers to hold themselves to a higher standard. Far too often, it appears they're uninterested in doing so. There's really no reason to lower standards on our end -- especially when our collective signature is on their paychecks -- just to appear more "fair" in our coverage.
I have no objection to publishing more positive stories about law enforcement. The problem is much that's suggested would reduce us to patting officers on the back for not being complete assholes when dealing with their fellow humans.
There are amazing men and women out there in the world of law enforcement. Unfortunately, they're a minority. And, for the most part, they're an extremely un-vocal minority. Accountability begins at the top, but that's no excuse for officers refusing to hold each other accountable when management fails to do so.
This isn't meant as a criticism of you or your concern. I would prefer a nation where stories like these -- ones that often include long histories of unaddressed misconduct -- weren't daily occurrences.
As for your suggestion: do you have some recent instances that come to mind re: police doing amazing things? I am sincere when I say I'd love to see them.
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“Stupid and juvenile” is the perfect description of Hamilton’s obtuse shitposting. When he cannot refute a direct argument, he offers a bunch of unrelated questions in a kind-of Gish gallop, trying to deflect and distract from his lack of an argument. When he cannot get someone to play his game on his level, he stomps his feet and goes off until the next time he decides to shitpost.
He does not mean half of what he says, and the other half is often meaningless.
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Techdirt has no reason to cover violence against police because Techdirt does not condone, and has never condoned, violence against police. No one on this site needs to write an entire article—or a series of articles—about an opinion with which anyone outside of extreme anti-police “activists” would agree.
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I am surprised that in your carefully written and thoughtful response to my question that you say "Unfortunately, they're a minority". Maybe you are right, maybe my view is skewed, but I find that hard to believe. But, I could be out of touch.
I have seen stories about Chicago that really shake me up, the murders and gun violence and such. I can't really believe what is happening there or why it is not being addressed. My solution would be to arm everyone, as strange as that sounds. If everyone knew everyone was armed, I think everyone would be more careful. That's a controversial view too, right?
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If anything, we would have more people resort to violence as a first resort in conflict resolution, rather than a last resort used in defense of self or others. If we use violence to solve all our problems, sooner or later, all we’ll see are targets that haven’t yet been shot.
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Indeed, but that is not what I meant by letting money cloud my judgement. I meant that people see others with money, wealth, or power and oddly develop a misplaced sense of admiration or sometimes the opposite. There is a lot of research about how people just see things differently just by having or not having X amount of money. Money's ability to cloud judgement can work in multiple ways. The perceived source, amount, giving/receiving, and destination of the money involved can turn peoples opinions in weird ways, even when it should not.
"And just FYI, I do not see you as a second class citizen at all, you seem like a fellow American citizen to me."
Well I appreciate that, but your opinion of my class as a citizen does not matter when a legal issue arises. If a cop wants to treat me just exactly like a 2nd class citizen, I just have to deal with it. I am rich enough to deal with most unexpected expenses without stress and drive a fairly nice car and poor enough to get my life screwed hard by a cop having a bad day looking to take it out on me! The courts won't give a flip either, and neither will my fellow citizens by the looks of things.
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Stop trying to run people off, whatsa matta big fella? someone saying something you can't handle? Is their words gonna melt your widdle snowflake?
"He does not mean half of what he says, and the other half is often meaningless."
They are still teachable moments! Grow up and teach, you are only doing the same thing by stomping around about it.
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A lot of citizens have forgotten that eternal vigilance is required and that we must protect against all enemies foreign AND "domestic".
Far too many people make the mistake of thinking that the government is here to protect us. It is not, even SCOTUS has made that clear.
http://www.nytimes.com/2005/06/28/politics/justices-rule-police-do-not-have-a-constitutional-d uty-to-protect.html
The government is only here to enforce the law, but lately it has only seen fit to place itself "above" the law, while the citizens do nothing.
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"Disarm the public"
I hate to tell you, but the general public does not have ready and regular access to Tasers, rubber bullets, tear gas, water cannons, sniper rifles, body armor, armored vehicles, ultrasonic weapons (i.e., “sound cannons”), explosive ordinance, and the entire rest of the United States military-industrial complex as “backup”. We are always one step away from totalitarian rule; we just don’t like to admit it because it means admitting that a sitting president could actually bomb a US city if they ever believed it necessary to do so.
Violence creates more problems than it solves. Arming everyone in a populace driven to the edge by decades of fearmongering and scare tactics on the part of politicians and the media will not have a “calming effect”. It will result in rivers of blood spilling down into sewers and bullets littering the landscape as a hurricane of violence sweeps the nation.
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Completely wrong-headed, of course, as usual. We're Americans, and we have Guns, and we love them! Really. When everyone has one, no one uses one. At least not too much (people shoot back).
Remember me defending Mike's right to free speech with a gun? I would do that, really I would. Guns and Free Speech. Like Peanut Butter and Jelly. Very American.
God Bless the Second Amendment, and God Bless America.
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Say that to any slave that won their freedom through blood.
Or how about the violence promised to every criminal that broke the law.
Or how about every dictator that lost their power to an uprising?
Violence is just a word describing actions that hurt, kill, or damage people or things. The result of it can be a net good or bad depending on usage.
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I would prefer to have the Techdirt comments sections free of Hamilton’s obtuse shitposting precisely because it accomplishes nothing but a clogging of the comments as people such as myself—i.e., people with nothing better to do with their time—reply to him in a desperate and ultimately fruitless attempt to see if he might reply with something other than his usual bullshit.
If he could make a cohesive argument, I wouldn’t care if he disagreed with me. But he never offers any kind of argument other than a bunch of random gibberish sprinkled amongst questions meant to distract people from noticing that he has no point to make and no argument with which he can support his non-existent point.
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In the alternative, "The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants".
May those times be few and far between, for all our sakes.
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Then watched as the slavemasters and the racists grew even crueler and hateful.
Which begets even more violence.
Those kinds of uprisings rarely lead to a stable, functioning country in their aftermath.
Violence creates more problems than it solves. If you believe otherwise, think about the last time violence solved one of your problems without making more in return…well, if you can think of such an instance, anyway.
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Quite understandable
Well, they would not lightly want to waste leadership material, would they? But promoting him right away would have looked funny.
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The US has more guns on the streets and in civilian hands than practically any other country in the world, yet we still have an epidemic of gun violence in spite of whatever logic backs your unprovable axiom. Imagine that.
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I have been asked to leave, and by Mike Masnick himself too! Which is strange because I have had many of my own AC comments make it to the Funniest/Most Insightful posts of the week.
There are things I do agree with Mike about and things I don't agree with him about, but asking people to bake off just will harm this site more than help it.
Every eyeball on this site helps it, even if those eyeballs belong to idiots.
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hence, the 2nd Amendment. and my personal favorite the declaration of independence.
"When, in the course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bonds which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the laws of nature and of nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights, that among these are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. That to secure these rights, governments are instituted among men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed. That whenever any form of government becomes destructive to these ends, it is the right of the people to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their safety and happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shown that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such government, and to provide new guards for their future security."
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Was this civil society? Where many landowners were surrounded by societies of slaves? Whom they had to control and ensure that they would not rebel or be a threat?
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yes, I noticed a slave just last week crying on the block being separated from their family as they were being sold. No wait... they got their freedom. Was the Civil War over slavery according to you?
The juvenile and naive nature of your words reveals much.
Yes violence tends to beget more violence, but you sully this understanding by uttering it in the same post as a falsehood of a maxim. I wonder if you believe me to imply that violence should be a frequent or desired solution? I do not, but I am not so foolish as to believe that all conflicts can be solved without it and that its ONLY outcome is more of it!
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One group or another has always been oppressed to one degree or another. As long as there is a need for any government person or citizen to carry a firearm, it is not a civil society.
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Prayatna realty Real Estate
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In a neighborhood really in need of policing, for example, a very low income neighborhood where resources are scarce and people may feel compelled to steal from each other, it is still possible to try and instill some order and justice, right? There will be some honest and hard working individuals, and some less honest, less hard working, and some downright dangerous, right? And to police them, you need to engage them, and in the best of all worlds, engage the honest hard working citizens to help control the dishonest and dangerous ones. That is, consider a society that creates a system of communication and support for common goals that people can agree on, and everyone helps to achieve those goals together, community and police. That's the best case, right?
From that point of view, if you wish to police the police, perhaps you should engage some of the honest and hard workings ones more in your editorial decisions. Find some heroes to celebrate, and draw clear distinctions between the part of the community you want to support and the parts of the community you want to punish.
If you want to police the police, engage the best of them to help discipline the worst of them. If you want to police a neighborhood, engage the best of them to help displine (and deter) the worse of them.
What do you think - does this hang together as an editorial recommendation to help you reach your objective about policing the police? Or did I misunderstand your point again. I think presenting only one side weakens your effectiveness and makes you look biased. You would be better served to openly declare your intentions, and then support them with argument, not bias, and heroes in addition to villains. Heroes are really good, people like them, I certainly do.
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The Civil War ended slavery, but in freeing the slaves, the US created more problems—notably the Jim Crow/“separate but equal” era, the rise of the Ku Klux Klan, and a resentment of the federal government by the Southern states that remains ingrained within Southern culture. Ending slavery without fighting a war over the matter would have caused problems as well, but it would have done so without the unnecessary shedding of blood.
Violence is never the answer—but sometimes you have to deal with some stubborn son of a bitch who thinks it is.
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I don't think American Police (as a very large group) deserve anything, except perhaps contempt. Forty years ago, I held different beliefs, because the 3 city policemen, 1 sheriffs deputy, and 1 hwy patrolman that I lived near (<3 blocks) were all, outwardly, upstanding citizens. It wasn't until later (in the same neighborhood) that I realized that hearing a 1/2 second blast of police siren meant some lowlife cop was blasting through a red light again.
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I respect your opinion, as voiced in other discussions, but this seems a little indefensible to me. You are saying there are no good police, morally good, non-corrupt, non-criminal police. I just don't accept that, I personally have known many.
When you only decry the few failures, and never celebrate the many successes and heroes of the police, you sound like a supremacist. When you condemn a whole class of people, how are you preaching something different than what Hitler was preaching? Same same, right? A whole class should be condemned, without exception. That's just nasty, right? Kind of the definition of bigotry and hatred, right?
There are heroic police, just as there were heroic Jews that were publicly condemned for no good reason.
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Start up your own website
You can put is whatever stories you like about the bravery, selflessness, service and dedication of the majority of the police. I bet you will find no shortage of stories to publish because there are a lot of those type of police out there.
Do be aware however that you may sometimes get people complaining how you always only publish pro-police articles and why you don't consider changing your editorial policy to include negative stories. It will of course be entirely up to you whether you do or not. It is after all your website.
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If we don't all agree that bad apples should be called out then we can have a legitimate argument on that. However if you are just assuming that we hate cops just because we want to call out the bad cops then that's not an argument it's an Ad Hominem attack.
It's called 'dirt' not 'general news' dirt by definition is dirty.
Or "information about someone's activities or private life that could prove damaging if revealed."
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Morality is not as black-and-white as you want it to be. Life is not professional wrestling; people are not explicitly “white knight” good and “twirling mustache” evil with a switch that flicks between the two.
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Which makes most cops bad as well.
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If it weren't guns, it would be knives. If it weren't knives, it would be something else. And so on.
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Maybe best to hire saner people and fire people who prove to have watched way too many 80s cop movies and want to live them.
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Now you might say there is nothing that you can do about this. Every other developed nation has sorted the problem and the solution is not arming everyone.
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Wow, that's the first time I really got that. So you are saying the editorial policy is specifically focused on "dishing dirt". Hmmph. Wow. Explains a lot.
So there are no articles that even try to present two sides of an issue, right? The articles are about dirt, and as a commenter, you are expected to agree about the dirt, that is, that someone is worth condemnation and hatred. Interesting, I've never heard it put so directly before. Thank you for that.
Patent dirt, right? And copyright dirt, and trademark dirt, and police dirt, and TSA dirt, and Thailand dirt, it's all dirt. Got it.
And the reason it is all dirt is, for the most part, because you are morally superior, and can judge people, ideas, laws and even whole countries as being dirt. And you can judge patents, copyright and trademarks as dirt, and police as dirt, and TSA workers as dirt, and so on, right? You are the moral authority, and you can dish dirt on everyone, unchallenged. Well, that sounds fair and balanced. It also sounds a little Hitlarian, don't you think?
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>Received Almost Zero Discipline
No need to be redundant.
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We don't allow wholesale production of booze because it's unsafe.
We don't allow wholesale production of prescription drugs because it is unsafe.
We don't allow wholesale production of machine guns because they are unsafe.
But we allow cars that go faster than 100mph? The roads are not made for people to go that fast, yet the cars can. Seems odd to me.
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Any real democracy commits suicide because the people have too much power of what government does and people are very prone to the super destructive mob mentality.
What you have is a carefully crafted illusion of having a say in your government by re-branding the term "democracy". It keeps people like you ignorantly docile until someone finds it necessary to put you away or down like a dog.
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If so, please describe what those sites are and what you asked them to do for you.
Are there many people out there similar to yourself? Do they also ask websites to change in support of their world view?
This is a market sector I am unfamiliar with and it looks interesting while alarming at the same time.
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and yet slavery prevails ... are you that ignorant?
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Civil like Phoenix?
and now I suppose you are going to tell me that violence has not increased lately ... and trump has not fueled the flames.
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Lots of bitching about the bad cops themselves, with details, but not much about the conditions which foster and protect them. The article goes on about how this one had a history of bad behavior, how about some information on the exact mechanism of how he avoided being fired for it? That's "dirt" too, isn't it?
Or is exposing union malfeasance and mismanagement too unpalatable for some reason? The articles here go into tremendous detail on some topics, but the anti-cop ones are pretty much "cops suck" with information and details supporting said opinion. Not always, but I've never seen any information about the union's role in protecting bad cops, which I think would interesting and informative.
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I'm still trying to figure out your angle here, perhaps it is related to the court proceedings? How would that work exactly?
If you want stories about puppy dogs 'n fairy tales I suggest you look elsewhere.
In your perfect world, all websites would publish the same feel good stories? Sounds a bit boring but lies of omission can be very fruitful.
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Is that what you think? ... that posts here are from people who only read TD? Wow - that is amazingly presumptuous.
I would guess that most who visit here are quite well informed from a variety of sources covering the breadth of reporting. They certainly seem to demonstrate awareness of stories that were not covered by TD.
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We're Americans, and we have Guns, and we love them! Really
A high rate of gun death is also very american.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-38365729
You may like being American I like being alive!
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But let the ape beat his chest anyways. You can't talk back to ignorance of this level.
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my personal favorite the declaration of independence.
You see a great passage - I see a bunch of ungrateful rebels trying desperately to find an eloquent justification for what they were about to do (and at the same time trying to discourage anyone from doing the same to them later - which didn't work as the civil war - less than 100 years later proves).
Fact is that the British had (at great expense) just cleared all the other european colonies out of the path of the expansion westward and had had the bare faced cheek to ask the colonists to pay something for it. The colonists were of course too mean to do so.
Remember that without the British military actions in the years before the revolution what is now the USA would have become a rather smaller country on the East coast and the rest of North America would have been a patchwork of countries, speaking a variety of different languages, rather like South America today.
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neither has any of the left either right?
Sorry, Trump might be a silly fucking tool but he is right when he said both sides are to blame. There was still BLM running around stirring up trouble and people directly targeting cops. And no, I am not justifying anyone killing others over it either. But it is clear that there is no tolerance for the other side so someone has to have their rights removed or another "civil" war is looking to break out.
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It is binary has hell actually. It is either wrong or right. What makes it appear in gray-scale is the dispersion of those blacks and whites across the spectrum.
Kinda like how computers base EVERYTHING on binary states and sets of data. There are just a lot of binary combinations involved to fool people like you into thinking things are more than what they are.
Check out "Chaos Theory". Things are often far more binary and biased than you comprehend.
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They are NOT about preventing crime, they are about profiting off of it. Crime does indeed pay, just not out to the people you expect it sometimes!
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And when you give a person a gun, a taser, and massive power, it is entirely reasonable to expect a higher standard. Any police officer who can't handle that expectation shouldn't be a police officer. Period.
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Ah yes, the NRA ideology.
Yes, and when a “good upstanding citizen” who shoots “from every direction” hits an innocent bystander in the head during one of these imagined shootouts, what will you tell the family of that bystander as they prepare the funeral?
You “arm everyone and no one will shoot” dopes never seem to think about collateral damage.
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The face of the person who did this.
http://www.wpbf.com/article/sheriffs-deputy-charged-with-reckless-driving-causing-serious-injur y/1464310
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Oi.
Whose rights, and which ones, need removing to placate your delicate sensibilities, sir?
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This officer got "the benefit of the doubt", repeatedly, from his superiors, even when it was plainly obvious his staying on the police force was a danger to the community. Five car accidents, multiple internal affairs recommendations, and only now, at last, he might face some consequences, after he did this to an innocent 60-year-old man:
You don't want "understanding" for this officer. You want impunity, simply because he's police.
No.
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Oh, this should be fun.
Killing is wrong.
Killing in defense of self or others is right.
Explain that paradox, sir.
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This is an extremely bad analogy. It's so goddamned awful - both illogical and immoral - that I don't even know where to begin. But I'll try.
Choosing not to celebrate police who do their jobs properly is NOT bigotry. Police officer is a JOB, not a vulnerable class of people.
This is depraved.
Six million Jews were murdered by the Nazi state.
And you're comparing them to police facing public criticism.
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Funniest, maybe, but not for the reason you think. Insightful? Not a chance.
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Americanism?! What a bunch of jingoistic nonsense. Do you call yourself an Americanist?
And which America? Something tells me you probably don't display a lot of Bolivian pride. Or Argentinian, or Canadian, or Peruvian... Hmmm... how about those Mexicans?
It's two continents; an entire hemisphere. Not a country.
Then for the love of god, could you please stop posting and crying about "censorship" on every article? Your mother seems to have done a terrible job raising you if you think being annoying crybaby is bettering the discourse here.
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and I think you are full of shit
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That would be a good start.
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Are you ok with posts on breitbart, inforwars, stormfront?
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Re: Ah yes, the NRA ideology.
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He didn't have to go fan the flames now did he?
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I just wanted to drop in and comment on one little thing that is indirectly related to what you're asking for here, but nonetheless, very important.
Equal time.
If you don't already know, Equal Time is a TV News doctrine from the very dawn of the medium. In essence, it states that both sides of an issue should be given equal time on air to make their case, and let the viewer make up their own mind on who to believe.
Equal time is an atrocity.
If you have a segment discussing white supremacists, do you think it's a good idea to give the grand dragon of the KKK and the president of the NAACP equal time? Do you think it's fair to do so? Does it make sense?
Some would actually say yes. I pity those people. When one side is blatantly, patently, obviously wrong, and no amount of argument could ever, in infinite time, make them right, they do NOT deserve equal time. When one person is arguing an absolutely untenable position, it is not fair to the other person to give the former a single microsecond of airtime. It is fake balance, fake fairness, and the actual, real example of what fake news looks like.
And this gets to the crux of your request. You want good stories about cops. There are some. But a story about a cop who just does what he's supposed to do is neither good nor news. It's simply expected. A cop saving kittens from a tree may give you warm fuzzy feelings. It does for me, until my logic kicks in and I realize that, wherever that cop is, there IS some crime occurring, and he's stuck up a tree rescuing animals while humans are suffering. This is why firefighters are trained in animal rescue and police are not - because police have more important things to do, literally 24/7, while there will often be times when nothing is on fire.
In other words, that cop is violating department policy and as a result, someone, somewhere is not getting the help they need.
In other words, even that story is actually bad news, not good news. Though again, I caution against calling it "news" at all. Despite being against most department policy, cops rescue animals all day every day, all across the country. It's a happy story on an emotional level, and if a cop is going to violate policy anyway, THIS is definitely the way to do it, but it's still not really newsworthy.
More to the point, as was noted here on TD a couple weeks ago, police actually shoot over a million harmless family pets every single year in the process of doing other things. What WOULD be newsworthy is a comparison between the number of animals killed vs. saved by the cops.
But I'm betting those numbers don't break in the cops favor, either.
In any case, just a caution against equal time, false equivalency, and such. Admittedly, the news as it relates to police is quite depressing these days, but that's not the fault of the news. It's what happens when you do a job where heroism is a basic requirement to do the job at all. It makes the bar for "good news" very high, while the bar for "bad news" is simply failing to be a hero.
Yes, that's harsh, but remember this: every cop is a volunteer. Enough said.
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Individual cops and cops in general? Open season on trashing them, but questioning the unions that keep the bad cops employed and blocks their removal? Not likely.
Well, you read it above - that's only a "right wing" position which has no place being reported about here at Tech (selective) Dirt. It's "mostly" different from regular unions anyway. Mostly. Except when it's totally the same when it comes to firing union employees.
So, long story short - it's acceptable and encouraged to bash cops here, but don't question too closely about WHY those bad cops aren't fired.
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What can't be forgiven are the people who know better. I think the writers writing these are helping shine a spot light. Work towards a solution not towards a fair and balanced view of real problems.
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Less than Zero at the Palm Beach County Sheriff's Department
Hegele may be on his way out, but if Palm Beach County Sheriff's Department wants to be taken seriously, it will be sending a lot of supervisors and officials packing as well.
The fish rots from the head.
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And using the term 'fake news' just highlights your ignorance. You're leaning dangerously toward the braindead Trumpian definition of 'stories I don't like to hear'. If the stories published here are factual and accurate, then they're NOT fake! If you think they're not factual or accurate you're welcome to point out what's incorrect. 'Real news' does not have to present both sides of an issue unless both sides are newsworthy. Police doing something exceptionally good OR bad is newsworthy; simply doing the job they're paid to is not.
Also don't forget that there is a deep culture in protectionism within the police, which is understandable and worthy up to a point, but not when there is zero condemnation of fellow officers' egregious behavior. Bad cops should not be protected either officially by superiors and unions, or unofficially by the inaction of good cops.
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ANY ONE HAVE INSURANCE??
What would happen to ANYONE'S insurance rates after this many accidents and payouts..
" Let the record[s] show that Deputy Hegele:
- backed into a parked cruiser
- fell asleep at the wheel, hitting a median and causing more than $1000 worth of damage
- rear-ended a car at an intersection, causing $4000 worth of damage
- rear-ended yet another car, causing $12,000 worth of damage"
NOW..has anyone inspected his PERSONAL CAR INSURANCE???
And if he HAS NONE/CANT GET ANY...WHY is he DRIVING A CAR??
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Scanner stigma?
Uh, why not? Is it something to be ashamed of?
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Do you do work for hire?
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The dogs of war
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Too many 80s movies convince idiots that they want to be cops. Police chases look too much fun!
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No way in the world are we in that situation, nor were the slave states.
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As we condemn the police for this, we also need to acknowledge the importance of their jobs with regard to dealing with actual criminals, and not innocent family members. We should support them in other ways, fund them with tools, give them the time they need and the equipment they need to do their job. I will bet that the officer that applied this abuse was just taking a shortcut to solve a legitimate problem. Don't do that, officer, do something else, we should tell him, and then help him do it.
Mr. Second Class Citizen should not accept this police behavior, his community should not accept it, in fact none of us should accept it, since it will come back to hurt us if we do. But we should also try to support the officer who is in fact trying to do an important job (apprehend criminals), and not hinder him in doing it, we want it done. Just not this way.
Moral issue, right? I believe it possible that even the officer at fault could learn this moral lesson, and be the better for it.
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That's not redundant, it's newsworthy: the amount is not zero.
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Looking back at the Shiva era it continues to baffle me how the hell Hamilton has not offed himself trying to make love to his gun collection.
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