Sequel To 'Man From Earth' Released On Pirate Sites By Its Creators
from the lessons-learned dept
While we cover much here in terms of content creators actually embracing what the internet can do for them rather than fighting what is essentially mere reality, some stories truly do stand out more than others. If you aren't familiar with the story of the film The Man From Earth, you should read up on it because it's plainly fascinating. The sci-fi film was directed by Richard Schenkman on a fairly barebones budget and set for the sort of release that these types of independent films tend to get.
And then somebody put a screener DVD up on The Pirate Bay and the film became known in a way it never would have otherwise.
“Originally, somebody got hold of a promotional screener DVD of ‘Jerome Bixby’s The Man from Earth’, ripped the file and posted the movie online before we knew what was even happening,” Man from Earth director Richard Schenkman informs TorrentFreak.
“A week or two before the DVD’s ‘street date’, we jumped 11,000% on the IMDb ‘Moviemeter’ and we were shocked.”
Suddenly there was very real public buzz and interest in this small, independent film. No advertising budget for the film had been planned. Marketing was non-existent. And, yet, all of that work was essentially done by an internet that truly appreciated the film for what it was. Still, this was an unauthorized placement of a creative work put up on torrent sites. It would be quite understandable if the producers of the film lashed out at these sites.
Instead, Eric Wilkinson, a producer for the film, reached out to those sites to thank them. Schenkman is on the record stating that filesharing was key to the success of the film as a whole. And, because they were smart, those behind the film decided to try to monetize this fandom.
“Once we realized what was going on, we asked people to make donations to our PayPal page if they saw the movie for free and liked it, because we had all worked for nothing for two years to bring it to the screen, and the only chance we had of surviving financially was to ask people to support us and the project,” Schenkman explains.
“And, happily, many people around the world did donate, although of course only a tiny fraction of the millions and millions of people who downloaded pirated copies.”
Meanwhile, the film went on to win awards and still enjoys a healthy audience on modern platforms such as Netflix. Interestingly, the filmmakers and producers don't appear to be thinking of the piracy experience as some kind of one-off, nor do they see how well it turned out for them as being a function of being initially unknown. Indeed, they plan on making even more use of torrent sites this go around, no longer leaving it to chance that someone else will upload the film and instead choosing to simply do so themselves.
“It was going to get uploaded regardless of what we did or didn’t do, and we figured that as long as this was inevitable, we would do the uploading ourselves and explain why we were doing it,” Schenkman informs TF.
“And, we would once again reach out to the filesharing community and remind them that while movies may be free to watch, they are not free to make, and we need their support.”
The Pirate Bay upload is rife with information and notes on the movie, and even goes so far as to include helpful tips on how the movie can be even more widely shared to generate additional audiences. Schenkman goes on to call this something of an honor system, relying on the general goodness of people to compensate directly the makers of a film they have enjoyed for free. This is of course still counterintuitive, but we've made the argument for years that treating people well, and specifically treating piracy as an untapped market, can be a fantastic avenue for success.
And this isn't the only experiment in treating moviegoers like human beings that the makers of the film are undertaking.
Other partners include MovieSaints.com, where fans can pay to see the movie from January 19 but get a full refund if they don’t enjoy it. It’s also available on Vimeo (see below) but the version seen by pirates is slightly different, and for good reason, Schenkman says.
“This version of the movie includes a greeting from me at the beginning, pointing out that we did indeed upload the movie ourselves, and asking people to visit manfromearth.com and make a donation if they can afford to, and if they enjoyed the film.
“The version we posted is very high-resolution, although we are also sharing some smaller files for those folks who have a slow Internet connection where they live,” he explains.
It's hard to imagine how they could have gotten this any more right than they have. Meanwhile, this undertaking is knocking down all kinds of strawmen that currently guard the MPAA offices. Bravo all around.
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"fairly barebones budget" -- And yet, the latest Star Wars went with the out-dated direct pay!
The rule seems to be: low-budget movies MIGHT be able to come out with a profit if pirated, and stupendous-budget ones can't. Anyway, that's the way I'd bet.
Another key phrase is "DIDN'T HAVE A CHOICE"! They then tried BEGGING. We'll never know what it would have brought if not stolen.
3rd key phrase is "a tiny fraction of the millions and millions of people who downloaded pirated copies.”
Yeah, THIS is the new "business model" every producer has been looking for.
Oh, and don't forget that THE MOVIE is the draw: if was a real stinker, this definitely wouldn't happen.
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Seems to have worked for every mobile game developer.
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Re: Re: "fairly barebones budget" -- And yet, the latest Star Wars went with the out-dated direct pay!
You fanboys really do just read along, ignoring points you can't answer, besides the argument as a whole, until find some hook to use for a one-liner.
Up there is stated a rule: works for LOW-BUDGET, NOT THE BIGGIES. You state a low-budget case. That's never been in dispute with anyone that I recall: garage bands with near zero costs may strike it big. Games are cheap to develop, may strike it big. -- But $100 million movies need certainty and direct pay from nearly everyone, NOT just "a tiny fraction of the millions and millions" who enjoy (or at least watch) the product.
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Or maybe the studios need to stop spending $100mm on every movie they make.
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out_of_the_blue just hates it when brainpower is enforced.
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Re: Re: Re: "fairly barebones budget" -- And yet, the latest Star Wars went with the out-dated direct pay!
You know how I know you haven't got a clue about what you're spewing again?
"But $100 million movies need certainty and direct pay from nearly everyone"
It's also cute that you think that any recent blockbuster cost as little as $100 million to produce. That might explain why you're wrong all the time - you think it's still 1998.
"NOT just "a tiny fraction of the millions and millions" who enjoy (or at least watch) the product."
Funny. They used to be able to make plenty of money despite lots of people waiting for the TV broadcast, borrowing tapes from friends and the like. Lots of people never paid a penny upfront for the movies they watched, on a regular basis. What caused their recent incompetence and need to force everyone to pay them a premium rather than address the market that exists in reality?
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Funny, then, how Marvel movies are pirated almost as soon as the first showing ends yet still make hundreds of millions of dollars at the box office. Why, it almost seems as if lots of people prefer to see movies in theatres if given the choice between high-quality-but-paid and low-quality-but-free.
Obscurity is the true enemy of any artist. If the film had languished in obscurity because no one had pirated it, the filmmakers would be, to use a colloquial term, absolutely fucked. The success of that film can be partially attributed to piracy and the way it grew the audience for that film.
Not everyone pays for all their media. Ignore this reality at your own peril.
No one has a one-size-fits-all "magic bullet" business model. What works for one person/group may not work for another. That said: Anyone who takes piracy into account with their business model has a better chance of success than anyone who ignores it.
Maybe it would not have been a financial success, but if you think a shitty movie would not have drawn the interest of a sizeable audience, you underestimate humanity. For Servo’s sake, Manos: The Hands of Fate has a remastered Blu-ray release because enough people Kickstarted a restoration of a long-lost Manos workprint.
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No profit, though. Never any profit.
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I'd like to emphasize something the other comments didn't:
"Oh, and don't forget that THE MOVIE is the draw: if was a real stinker, this definitely wouldn't happen."
Remember that those $100 million movies may result in pretty crappy works and you can't get your money back as it would be fair in these cases. Sure it wouldn't happen but at the very least those smaller movies don't try to fool you into spending money in crap via tons of misleading advertisement.
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To Be Released?
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I'd link it here myself, but I fear the spam filter would eat this comment. I'll try in a separate comment in a few minutes to keep this one safe.
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Proof peoole will watch anything.
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Your comment would have been vastly better if you had left this sentence off. Just because someone dislikes a movie you liked does not make them stupid, and just because you may have a certain level of intelligence does not make you better than/superior to someone who does not. If you want to insult someone’s intelligence, we have plenty of actual trolls around here that are perfect targets for such condescension.
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Someone intelligent would ask the person who made such a comment why they believe the film is “absolute crap” rather than judge that person to be of lesser intelligence because of the words they use to express an opinion.
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@Valis
Some of us like slower, thought provoking SciFi. TMFE has an 8.0 on IMDB.
But you can stick to Michael Bay movies, if you want more action.
I loved the original Man from Earth. Watched it with friends many years ago and thought it was a hidden gem we stumbled upon.
I never heard the story of how it leveraged file sharing.
Unfortunately TMFE:Holocene isn't getting great reviews, and it really seemed that TMFE, really was a movie that shouldn't have a sequel.
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Someone can dislike both The Man from Earth and Michael Bay movies, you know. Just because someone dislikes one does not mean they automatically like the other.
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I liked the original and didn't really care for the sequel, which is totally different in tone. The original was mostly a conversation (almost a radio play more than a movie) in which people gradually come to accept John's story.
In this one, it's a bunch of students who mostly start off believing it, then ambush him in an attempt to prove it. John denies it till nearly the end, then kind of confirms it, but there's none of the storytelling, discovery, or surprises that made the first film so good.
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Guerrilla Marketing
For small budget films this can work reasonably well as the break even is fairly low. Another key is whether the film is worth watching. Something the studios have forgotten; make films worth watching and people might show up.
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He Never Died
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Now to see if the spam filter eats a legal torrent... Not that I'd blame folks for setting it up that way.
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AND??
Advert..
RENT/pay to get it published..
Make ?? copies to each distributors..
PRAY you get enough people to the theaters to get MONEY BACK...
(Distribution system owned by the corps and costs TONS to use)
end up paying MORE to get people to see it, and to the distribution system, then you would GIVING IT AWAY..
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The rights holders of this movie could decide
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This is how rights holders and pirates/torrenters can work together.
What they did with this movie sequel is a fair balance: the movie staff is allowing people to download the film and in exchange they ask the consumers to not the film on a profit-making platform (like YT). Given it was on such a low-budget, I do stand with the rights holders needing to make a return on what was invested. This is how rights holders and pirates/torrenters can work together.
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That will be the day that..
*who are basically a sworn enemy of copyright expiration and that's why they like lobbying/politically bribing Congress.
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First, to repeat since the right person was censored:
"fairly barebones budget" -- And yet, the latest Star Wars went with the out-dated direct pay!
Odd.
The rule seems to be: low-budget movies MIGHT be able to come out with a profit if pirated, and stupendous-budget ones can't. Anyway, that's the way I'd bet.
Another key phrase is "DIDN'T HAVE A CHOICE"! They then tried BEGGING. We'll never know what it would have brought if not stolen.
3rd key phrase is "a tiny fraction of the millions and millions of people who downloaded pirated copies."
Yeah, THIS is the new "business model" every producer has been looking for.
Oh, and don't forget that THE MOVIE is the draw: if was a real stinker, this definitely wouldn't happen.
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UPDATE: DIRECTOR REVERSES! TECHDIRT WRONG AGAIN!
*Man From Earth Director Slams Pirates, Promotional Love Affair Over
In a new piece published by pro-industry, anti-piracy alliance Creative Future, Schenkman rips into pirates big and small. While noting that the sci-fi sequel has been downloaded almost a million times with uncounted streaming views on top, just 7,000 people supported it with donations.
HAW, HAW, HAW!
NO, REALLY. HAW, HAW, HAW!
YOU FEEBLE NETWITS.
I WANT TO SEE YOUR UPDATE TO ADMIT. TRY TO TWIST THIS TO A POSITIVE.
https://torrentfreak.com/man-from-earth-director-slams-pirates-promotional-love-affair-ove r-181105/
AND WHO IS RIGHT YET AGAIN? ONLY THE MOST REVILED AND CENSORED COMMENTER HERE! THAT'S DONE BECAUSE I'M RIGHT, NOT WAY I SAY IT.
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SO NOW WE KNOW. FULL-SCALE EXPERIMENT.
AND IT FAILED TO BRING IN ENOUGH TO SUSTAIN.
Anyhoo, Techdirt, there ya go: three comments absolutely factual and confirmed to censor away. It's all you can do after TWENTY YEARS WRONG.
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