>it is clear that widespread infringement is happening on
>their system, and they need to staff up to meet their legal
>obligations
I was wondering if, by the same logic, gun manufacturers had a legal obligation to "staff up" and somehow prevent the widespread (and very well documented) illegal uses their customers put the firearms to.
Mike wrote:
"The real way to decrease the time it takes to review a patent is to stop approving bogus patents."
and Hulser wrote:
"As I alluded to in another post, they don't even seem to be considering the option of just rejecting more applications."
Well, as I have pointed out before (but so directly): in our litigious society and entitlement culture, lawsuits over patents are inevitable because everyone wants a piece of a monopoly so they can get rich without really working.
Suing someone is the next best thing to a patent because it still does not involve anything real work for the plaintif, the lawyers do all the work, and if there is the possibility of a sweet monopoly at the end of the rainbow there will be plenty of folks willing to roll the dice.
I maintain that the USPTO can do nothing to stem the tide of lawsuits as long as the prospect of easy street exists.
What the USPTO can influence however, is *who* gets sued. If they start rejecting patents it will be the USPTO that gets sued.
If they approve patents willy nilly than it is everyone else that gets sued.
And as far as any danger to the USPTO themselves because of causing all of these lawsuits through irresponsible patent approval... if I were they I would not be worrying. If they were going to get into any trouble for it it would have been quite a while ago.
Presidents come an go, but their IP maximalist overlords look to me like they are good for another decade or so before the bubble bursts.
Re: Re: Re: Re: What could have been going on in the mind . . .
I clearly remember back when... in 1997-98 before things got too seriously crazy, I was following what was then a minor amount of static emanating from the USPTO.
USPTO was *begging* for increased budgets to handle both an increase in patent application volumes of about 6% but more importantly the ability to hire new examiners qualified to asses the new breed of patent applications claiming software and business process. In 1995 the existing examiners had not a clue, but had maintained some integrity up to that point. But pressure was mounting to clear out the backlog, and that meant either hiring new qualified people, or somewhat blindly approving or dismissing applications.
Their pleas were completely ignored by Congress so the choice was to blindly approve or reject.
Well approving applications rarely increases the workload. Rejecting them however ensures that some percentage of those applications will contest and drag out and just be a general nuisance.
Guess which road the USPTO chose? That (IMO) led to State Street which led to a gold rush of patent speculation. Patent awards increased by over 30% 1998, God only knows by how much patent *applications* increased.
Guess what else: processing volumes went up over 30%. Budget (which in those days was collected fees minus a 10% kickback that Congress skimmed off the top) went up almost 100%! Ho ho, maybe rubber stamping patent applications isn't so bad after all.
Just for giggles, here is a point of comparison USPTO is now approving 190k patents per year and is collecting/spending 2.3 billion.
I can even see anti-anti-piracy groups using this to mess with the movie industry. That would be some sweet irony - the regulators finally create some rules to hurt one of the tentacles of the vampire squid for a change, not just the main street folk.
Ok, I'll bite: how specifically do you see anti-anti-piracy groups using this to mess with the movie industry?
I read the news story. It focused on physical violence. These were not cyber-books that were continually pushed out of her hands.
This was not virtual sex that occurred with the two young men.
A can of red bull to the head does not leave an online bruise or cut.
So help me understand why this is all about cyber-bullying?
Is that what *extreme* cyber-bullying is - when it spills over to real-life?
Or is it the other way around - plain old real world bullying and violence spills over into twitter and facebook because everything a 16 year old does spills over into twitter and facebook?
To answer your question, I am not sure what the entirety of Sarkozy's comments were. A full text seems impossible to come by, and the possibility exists that these were carefully crafted sound bites released to the press to stimulate support for his (then) upcoming announcement of a large appropriation which included a budget for strengthening the digital capabilities of the French equivalent of the Library of Congress. (part of what I meant by context)
The quote above that was widely translated into English was accompanied by another quote which was not widely translated into English (the other part of what I meant by context,pardon my rough translation):
"It is unacceptable that we allow ourselves to lose control over the works of generations upon generations of French authors simply because we are unable (unwilling) to allocate the budget needed for us to be technologically capable of digitizing books."
Bear in mind that French is a very "dramatic" language (by this I mean more elaborate in its phrase construction than English), and that adjusted for "tone", I feel that "We should be doing this ourselves rather than relying on another country to do it for us." is a fair paraphrasing of what Sarkozy said.
Quite possibly (I would say probably) Nintendo's lawyers advised them that allowing the movie to be distributed would open the door for competitive platform manufacturers to port the Zelda game to their platforms without Nintendo's permission.
Sarkozy is making a valid observation on the importance of information infrastructure and national interests.
Large well indexed collections of information are a tremendous national asset. Consider this interesting quote from the US Library of Congress website: "The development of the Library of Congress cannot be separated from the history of the nation it serves".
It is indisputable that Google is able to do things (as a "superuser") with Google Books in terms of information mining that we as humble users can not do.
It is most certainly in France's interests to make sure that French institutions have the same kind of "superuser" powers over any vast collection of digitized French language information that is compiled.
When I read Sarkozy's statements in context, in French, I am left with a different impression. I understand him to be saying: "Shame on us if we are unable to undertake for ourselves work of cultural significance."
No one can deny that the project is culturally significant. No one can deny that France should be asking itself that question - why rely on someone else to do it?
Sarkozy is not being an idiot about this, quite the opposite.
As usual, you have to be very careful with taking news reporting at face value. Quotes are presented in the most sensational way possible, not to inform, but to inflame - because that sells better. When translations are involved even more care needs to be exercised.
I for one would be interested in seeing a mechanism for determining actual market value of a patent. It could possibly even help sort out the good one from the bad ones, and I can not see how it would make things worse than they already are.
So without arguing the merits of patents themselves, I can see an argument for a patent market. There might even be a bubble, followed by the inevitable collapse, and that could conceivably bring some long overdue sanity and critical evaluation to bear.
Inappropriately attaching the label Nazi is always relevant to some people.
Not entirely sure why, I class it with similar examples of bad taste, like compulsive overuse of popular movie catchphrases. They're both unattractive.
Perhaps it is fair to say that *no human endeavor whatsoever* is a complete break from the past. In which case building on the past can not be the defining characteristic of innovation because logically *everything* would be innovation in that case.
Which by the way - is pretty much true. Humans are innovation machines. It is what we do, and have been doing since the dawn of time. Most of that time (as you and many others point out) with no form whatsoever of "intellectual property" protection.
It seems you are saying that since True Innovation learns from the past, something that was a complete break from the past - let us consider quantum theory compared to Newtonian physics - could not be considered innovation.
As for your comments about copycats "stealing away" "the profits" it sounds to me (and it could just be me) as if you would like a sinecure.
Well, that is just not the way the world usually works, and when some artificial mechanism is put into place to provide a sinecure, the historical reality has been that it disappears (along with the regime that instituted it) when the inequities inherent in the system become intolerable for the common people who shoulder the burden.
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Legal Obligations?
>it is clear that widespread infringement is happening on
>their system, and they need to staff up to meet their legal
>obligations
I was wondering if, by the same logic, gun manufacturers had a legal obligation to "staff up" and somehow prevent the widespread (and very well documented) illegal uses their customers put the firearms to.
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where to put those pesky lawsuits
"The real way to decrease the time it takes to review a patent is to stop approving bogus patents."
and Hulser wrote:
"As I alluded to in another post, they don't even seem to be considering the option of just rejecting more applications."
Well, as I have pointed out before (but so directly): in our litigious society and entitlement culture, lawsuits over patents are inevitable because everyone wants a piece of a monopoly so they can get rich without really working.
Suing someone is the next best thing to a patent because it still does not involve anything real work for the plaintif, the lawyers do all the work, and if there is the possibility of a sweet monopoly at the end of the rainbow there will be plenty of folks willing to roll the dice.
I maintain that the USPTO can do nothing to stem the tide of lawsuits as long as the prospect of easy street exists.
What the USPTO can influence however, is *who* gets sued. If they start rejecting patents it will be the USPTO that gets sued.
If they approve patents willy nilly than it is everyone else that gets sued.
And as far as any danger to the USPTO themselves because of causing all of these lawsuits through irresponsible patent approval... if I were they I would not be worrying. If they were going to get into any trouble for it it would have been quite a while ago.
Presidents come an go, but their IP maximalist overlords look to me like they are good for another decade or so before the bubble bursts.
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small clarification
Volumes look like this:
1991 107K
1995 114k
1998 163k
2009 192k
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Re: Re: Re: Re: What could have been going on in the mind . . .
USPTO was *begging* for increased budgets to handle both an increase in patent application volumes of about 6% but more importantly the ability to hire new examiners qualified to asses the new breed of patent applications claiming software and business process. In 1995 the existing examiners had not a clue, but had maintained some integrity up to that point. But pressure was mounting to clear out the backlog, and that meant either hiring new qualified people, or somewhat blindly approving or dismissing applications.
Their pleas were completely ignored by Congress so the choice was to blindly approve or reject.
Well approving applications rarely increases the workload. Rejecting them however ensures that some percentage of those applications will contest and drag out and just be a general nuisance.
Guess which road the USPTO chose? That (IMO) led to State Street which led to a gold rush of patent speculation. Patent awards increased by over 30% 1998, God only knows by how much patent *applications* increased.
Guess what else: processing volumes went up over 30%. Budget (which in those days was collected fees minus a 10% kickback that Congress skimmed off the top) went up almost 100%! Ho ho, maybe rubber stamping patent applications isn't so bad after all.
Just for giggles, here is a point of comparison USPTO is now approving 190k patents per year and is collecting/spending 2.3 billion.
You do the math. Hulser has a good point.
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Re: Loss of Information
A tautological name.
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Re: CFTC backs film futures
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Harassment sharassment...
The only kind of bullying that counts.
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Re: Cyber(?!) Bullying
This was not virtual sex that occurred with the two young men.
A can of red bull to the head does not leave an online bruise or cut.
So help me understand why this is all about cyber-bullying?
Is that what *extreme* cyber-bullying is - when it spills over to real-life?
Or is it the other way around - plain old real world bullying and violence spills over into twitter and facebook because everything a 16 year old does spills over into twitter and facebook?
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Re: Re: Re:
Killed myself as per your suggestion - not funny either
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Re: Re:
To answer your question, I am not sure what the entirety of Sarkozy's comments were. A full text seems impossible to come by, and the possibility exists that these were carefully crafted sound bites released to the press to stimulate support for his (then) upcoming announcement of a large appropriation which included a budget for strengthening the digital capabilities of the French equivalent of the Library of Congress. (part of what I meant by context)
The quote above that was widely translated into English was accompanied by another quote which was not widely translated into English (the other part of what I meant by context,pardon my rough translation):
"It is unacceptable that we allow ourselves to lose control over the works of generations upon generations of French authors simply because we are unable (unwilling) to allocate the budget needed for us to be technologically capable of digitizing books."
Bear in mind that French is a very "dramatic" language (by this I mean more elaborate in its phrase construction than English), and that adjusted for "tone", I feel that "We should be doing this ourselves rather than relying on another country to do it for us." is a fair paraphrasing of what Sarkozy said.
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Lawyers and legal advice
Lawyers are funny that way.
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Re:
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Large well indexed collections of information are a tremendous national asset. Consider this interesting quote from the US Library of Congress website: "The development of the Library of Congress cannot be separated from the history of the nation it serves".
It is indisputable that Google is able to do things (as a "superuser") with Google Books in terms of information mining that we as humble users can not do.
It is most certainly in France's interests to make sure that French institutions have the same kind of "superuser" powers over any vast collection of digitized French language information that is compiled.
When I read Sarkozy's statements in context, in French, I am left with a different impression. I understand him to be saying: "Shame on us if we are unable to undertake for ourselves work of cultural significance."
No one can deny that the project is culturally significant. No one can deny that France should be asking itself that question - why rely on someone else to do it?
Sarkozy is not being an idiot about this, quite the opposite.
As usual, you have to be very careful with taking news reporting at face value. Quotes are presented in the most sensational way possible, not to inform, but to inflame - because that sells better. When translations are involved even more care needs to be exercised.
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Might be interesting
So without arguing the merits of patents themselves, I can see an argument for a patent market. There might even be a bubble, followed by the inevitable collapse, and that could conceivably bring some long overdue sanity and critical evaluation to bear.
For example I would love to see the market value of this one: http://appft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO1&Sect2=HITOFF&d=PG01&p=1&u=%2Fne tahtml%2FPTO%2Fsrchnum.html&r=1&f=G&l=50&s1=%2220090132950%22.PGNR.&OS=DN/200901 32950&RS=DN/20090132950.
We can only pray that the filing fees would be higher than the value.
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Look up what stealing is
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Re:
Not entirely sure why, I class it with similar examples of bad taste, like compulsive overuse of popular movie catchphrases. They're both unattractive.
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Re: Re: Re:
Perhaps it is fair to say that *no human endeavor whatsoever* is a complete break from the past. In which case building on the past can not be the defining characteristic of innovation because logically *everything* would be innovation in that case.
Which by the way - is pretty much true. Humans are innovation machines. It is what we do, and have been doing since the dawn of time. Most of that time (as you and many others point out) with no form whatsoever of "intellectual property" protection.
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Re:
Is that like the One True Brace Style?
It seems you are saying that since True Innovation learns from the past, something that was a complete break from the past - let us consider quantum theory compared to Newtonian physics - could not be considered innovation.
As for your comments about copycats "stealing away" "the profits" it sounds to me (and it could just be me) as if you would like a sinecure.
Well, that is just not the way the world usually works, and when some artificial mechanism is put into place to provide a sinecure, the historical reality has been that it disappears (along with the regime that instituted it) when the inequities inherent in the system become intolerable for the common people who shoulder the burden.
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TwoOne Seat In EU ParliamentRe: Bad name?
Not a statement easily understood by people with no experience in coalition governments.
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