Where are the vitriol-spewing bloggers to call yahoo the spawn of satan?
Where are the DAs (at least the ones who couldnt get in on that Craig's List thing) to Champion The Protection of The People in demanding special internet-fairness hearings?
News releases by officials broadcast from the google headquarters to assure us all that "every step is being taken"
its almost like the people who are being encouraged and funded to attack the Big G don't dare say a cross word about anyone else.
Where are the vitriol-spewing bloggers to call yahoo the spawn of satan?
Where are the DAs (at least the ones who couldnt get in on that Craig's List thing) to Champion The Protection of The People in demanding special internet-fairness hearings?
News releases by officials broadcast from the google headquarters to assure us all that "every step is being taken"
its almost like the people who are being encouraged and funded to attack the Big G don't dare say a cross word about anyone else.
Where are the vitriol-spewing bloggers to call yahoo the spawn of satan?
Where are the DAs (at least the ones who couldnt get in on that Craig's List thing) to Champion The Protection of The People in demanding special internet-fairness hearings?
News releases by officials broadcast from the google headquarters to assure us all that "every step is being taken"
its almost like the people who are being encouraged and funded to attack the Big G don't dare say a cross word about anyone else.
Where are the vitriol-spewing bloggers to call yahoo the spawn of satan?
Where are the DAs (at least the ones who couldnt get in on that Craig's List thing) to Champion The Protection of The People in demanding special internet-fairness hearings?
News releases by officials broadcast from the google headquarters to assure us all that "every step is being taken"
its almost like the people who are being encouraged and funded to attack the Big G don't dare say a cross word about anyone else.
Thanks for repeating a falsehood and proving that you never had any interest in a meaningful discussion.
simply put, because i want to make sure you catch on, Craigslist never made any money off any posting in the adult section. After a bushel of legal threats from varied statesmen who wanted to get publicity, CL caved and started to charge a small fee for making posts.. i am not sure what exactly this was meant to do. Something about having credit card receipts. Some of this money was used to pay ever-increasing staff to hand-screen every adult ad while more was donated through the Craigslist Foundation and related concerns.
Once this was established, many of the same mindless statesmen came back around to show how Outraged they are that CL is Profiting From These Immoral Bad People! and began the leaning process again.
written even more simply..
I Demand You Take Money For That Or Else!
How Dare You Take Money For That!
To say that this illegal activity will just go elsewhere is known, but it means CL is ONE LESS place THE POLICE can go, making it HARDER and NOT EASIER to PREVENT their illegal activity.
-- with each receiving the equivalent today of $30,000 per year --
The actual amount would of course have been lower. This is simply making the conversion to todays money to prevent comments like "a 20 dollar pension?! that guy was insane!"
I wish Google Books had more of a browsable "shelf", like some of the library systems are starting to have. I really want to see what books would be next to the one I'm looking at, if I were actually in a library.
This is an interesting statement and (to me) an important one. All venues, be they libraries or bookstores, serve two basic functions. They act as a Source, that is they actually make the books available to you to buy, borrow, etc. They have the books and get them to you. But they also act (in a small way) as a Filter, what is available, what is not, so on. Since even the digital bookshelves are not quite infinite, the context matters more and more as things jockey for position.
So as the actual sourcing of material grows more diverse and we could purchase anything from anywhere, we have to search harder and harder to find a good filter. This ability to (more or less) get people what they are looking for has served google well as a search engine and we are seeing similar "if you like this, try that" efforts from groups like Amazon and Netflix
The part below the bold "How About Some Data Management.." text is the area we like to call the Post. In a comment system as used here on Techdirt, the Post is the part you read and respond to.
Sure, I know its more fun to read the title of the post, jump to a random conclusion and then fire off a sarcastic post, but it really does not add to the overall conversation.
Now, a real reply would be:
That sounds actually great, Kingster. Sadly such a simple plan would require a 20billion dollar budget and bids from every advanced computing firm who wanted that delicious plum. 40bill and 5 years from now when that project was scrapped as unworkable, we will have come up with something else for no good reason.
Or we could get google* to create a tool for this that runs on a new Secure-Android operating system, allowing for real-time crossgroup data sharing and mining while creating security for everyone.
*google used here as a placeholder for a random corp with the programming brainpower to do the job but without the longstanding security contracts/delicious money-printer agreements that corrupt anyone working alongside the overall security world.
darryl, pay close attention. The RIAA is not burning through billable hours to catch killers. Or rapists, molesters, animal-abusers, people who spit gum on the sidewalk or even thieves.
They are engaging in massive numbers of civil suits, legal threats, name-calling and vote-buying activities. They are taking these actions despite the enormous costs in an attempt to hold back a tide and stop the sun in the sky. This is not "law enforcement". The only thing that is being "enforced and upheld" is the creaking structure of a few meddling groups at the expense of actual law enforcement and citizens, even those citizens that the special interest groups claim to be serving. ("we are making sure our artists get paid" comes from one side of the talking heads while "no checks for you, we decided to keep everything you earned" comes from the other)
And another important note, the way you conflate the actions of a handful of multi-national conglomerate corporations with "governments and authorities" is deeply frightening.
Let us all bow before the capricious big-money overlords and their jack boot enforcers.. remember, infringement is theft And piracy And terrorism And anything else we decide to call it.
Now pay me for the rights to remember this post or we will have to beat it out of your head on the way to PirateTerroristThief Jail.
No reply from Cleland? how shocking and surprising.
Seems to me that the only reason someone wouldn't respond to a total and complete reply (like Mike's) is if they knew that they were coming from a position entirely without merit to begin with.
Thank you, Mr Scott. Your silence is speaking volumes about you.
I'm arguing that what Google collected wasn't publicly accessible at all.
an unencrypted wireless hotspot, whether in your home or in a coffee shop, is Incredibly accessible. All of the data moving across and through is likewise accessible.
This is not a case of peeking through windows or trying to lean close enough to hear someones phone conversation. This is making a note of where you saw the lit billboard with BELKINWIRELESS ROUTERHOME written across it, or where you heard an announcement across a PA system "WIRELESS CONNECTION ON AISLE TWELVE! PLEASE TAKE INFORMATION FROM THIS WIRELESS CONNECTION"
Starting to whimper and moan about Wiretapping legislation and claiming the entire body of evidence shows "intentional" activity is just silly.
I do not recall any claim from mike that he was an all-knowing figure of ultimate wisdom, merely that these are items and stories that were interesting to him, delivered with commentary from himself and various other experts.
Unlike a traditional media outlet, there is no desperation to set himself up as an ultimate authority with backup from the government. No one is even forced to come here, read anything, or post. So feel free to roll up your astroturf, take your bat and head home.
Back to the story at hand, we have big business and small alike coming away from a small event, possibly making more headway then all the lobbyists and all the lawyers combined. ignoring that would simply be, well, ignorant.
Demonstrating an interesting persecution complex there.
Wouldn't you think that mike and the entire techdirt gang could do better then "the same person comes into every thread and attempts to shout me down"? Why not simply delete every post you make, or edit them to make everything agree with whatever they say?
Instead you fear that there are shadowy figures lurking throughout the site, all tied together in some mysterious payroll scheme that pays every time one of your ridiculous "points" is disagreed with.
Because the other option is realizing that the common denominator in all of your failed arguments is.. wait for it.. you.
The industries also love this plan since it takes the burden off of them.
"whats that? you are receiving bad connections due to the 'neutrality filter'? gee, we would like to help, but we were forced to install that by Law, so our hands are tied. Of course, if you upgraded maybe we could.."
Second, Mr. Masnick's blanket assertion: "The whole point of search is to be biased" completely contradicts Google's public representations.
* Google's website claims: "We never manipulate rankings to put our partners higher in our search results and no one can buy better PageRank."
The entire point of a modern search engine Is to be biased. If i simply wanted to scroll through a thousand-page list of websites that included the words "Cooking" "Time" "For" "Boiled" "Egg" to find a cooking site and information on cooking an egg.. well, i wouldnt want to. I want to find the "best" match, which current algorithms say is http://whatscookingamerica.net/Eggs/BoiledEggs.htm
Notice how i was not sent to a dictionary site that tries to link every imaginable word combination, and i was not sent to the application form for a paid-subscription cooking site because they paid off my search provider. I got a result that was biased (towards being correct) and transparent (the companies involved were not misleading me or hiding a connection)
You go out of your way to purposefully mix up terms and take tiny quotes out of their context to shape a "compelling" story.
Aha, they say that being transparent is good, and then someone else says that they don't want certain details of their ranking algorithms made public! Shock! Gasp! Moral Outrage!
What kind of headlines are next? "When Will Google Reply To Questions About Their Cannibalistic Orgies?" "New Google Technology Takes Over Internet Forever*!"
*at a closer look, you seem to be claiming this already.
All of the action-packed bulletpoints you make are questionable, many leading to an interwoven nest of "google action! sites" and the others leading to pdf.. PDFs for goodness sake, full of buzzwords and "Oddly Designed Phrases"
shameful, Scott. very shameful.
I wont claim that your head is in the sand, but it might well be somewhere else.. and is sure is dark there.
a book is a relatively valuable product in itself. Home binding and even industrial PrintOnDemand processes often fall short of the finished product from a professional printer.
Compared to CDs/DVDs, once you burn your media, via the number of cheap and effective tools on the marketplace, the end result is often as good if not better (better by content, pbetter by removing ads, etc) then what the original publisher stamped out.
a good book is scarce for delivering the content in a particular way at a particular quality. a shiny plastic disc that anyone could replace or improve is not scarce, it is at best a wrapper for the content and at worse a damaging interference (rootkits, self-installing anything, etc)
The system is already designed to take everyone's money (the PRO's think that everyone needs pay them a music tax forever)and give some to a tiny handful or performers and writers while keeping the rest for themselves.
What we have here is mike letting us know, despite his own reservations about the PROs, about someones interesting idea.
I know, i know.. the idea that the groups that claim to pay their members and "have their member's interests in mind" should actually Pay Out a tiny fraction of their income rather then rejiggering the math and forgetting to send out checks.. that kind of idea is wacky soshalist commi nazi maoist leninist talk!
I know, i know, i am making the mistake of responding to a blatant and foolish troll, sorry everyone.
Ross, or Bubba, whichever you prefer, Once again you are spamming nonsense words to promote your self-published/whispernet Ebook, full of your plans of curing homosexuals and making meth-heads do chores.
Its a lovely fantasy, but this is not the place to share it. Go ask Spielberg if his cybertronic technology can help you cure the world, or ask Cameron to lend you a couple bucks for proper ad campaign, since you were such a big help and creative influence for them both.
I am not always up-to-date on the various wastes of money that lawmakers cause, but this has to be pretty far up there.
There is no provision for "starting a bill just to create discussion" as far as i know, no "just joking guys" motion to veto. This is a lawmaker burning public funds on a dead-end bill just to use it as a personal soapbox and an excuse to give out interviews and press conferences.
Lets hope the people of Michigan inform the senator of what they think about waste when election time comes around.
Re: "Our nation and our economy is what it is today, because of the ingenuity and ideas of our people -- ideas that have been safeguarded through strong intellectual property rights protections," Senator Orrin Hatch, a Utah Republican
Where is the citation here?
not you, i mean the citation from the Representative and senators?
Simply handing a sheet of "talking points" to a rep' or senator who has been receiving "donations"(payment) does not magically turn the statements into facts.
This is not even getting into the always-ignored follow-on effects, since those imaginary billions of dollars did not disappear into some magical ether the moment something was infringed on.
shame on PCworld for printing that statement without a single bit of examination. They seem dedicated to sinking to AP levels of "reporting"
On the post: Yahoo Happily Admits It Manipulates Ad Auctions To Get Advertisers To Bid More
Where are the vitriol-spewing bloggers to call yahoo the spawn of satan?
Where are the DAs (at least the ones who couldnt get in on that Craig's List thing) to Champion The Protection of The People in demanding special internet-fairness hearings?
News releases by officials broadcast from the google headquarters to assure us all that "every step is being taken"
its almost like the people who are being encouraged and funded to attack the Big G don't dare say a cross word about anyone else.
you know. its just interesting.
On the post: Yahoo Happily Admits It Manipulates Ad Auctions To Get Advertisers To Bid More
Where are the vitriol-spewing bloggers to call yahoo the spawn of satan?
Where are the DAs (at least the ones who couldnt get in on that Craig's List thing) to Champion The Protection of The People in demanding special internet-fairness hearings?
News releases by officials broadcast from the google headquarters to assure us all that "every step is being taken"
its almost like the people who are being encouraged and funded to attack the Big G don't dare say a cross word about anyone else.
you know. its just interesting.
On the post: Yahoo Happily Admits It Manipulates Ad Auctions To Get Advertisers To Bid More
Where are the vitriol-spewing bloggers to call yahoo the spawn of satan?
Where are the DAs (at least the ones who couldnt get in on that Craig's List thing) to Champion The Protection of The People in demanding special internet-fairness hearings?
News releases by officials broadcast from the google headquarters to assure us all that "every step is being taken"
its almost like the people who are being encouraged and funded to attack the Big G don't dare say a cross word about anyone else.
you know. its just interesting.
On the post: Yahoo Happily Admits It Manipulates Ad Auctions To Get Advertisers To Bid More
Where are the vitriol-spewing bloggers to call yahoo the spawn of satan?
Where are the DAs (at least the ones who couldnt get in on that Craig's List thing) to Champion The Protection of The People in demanding special internet-fairness hearings?
News releases by officials broadcast from the google headquarters to assure us all that "every step is being taken"
its almost like the people who are being encouraged and funded to attack the Big G don't dare say a cross word about anyone else.
you know. its just interesting.
On the post: Groups Still Slamming Craigslist
Re: Its the law, live with it, break it or move.
Thanks for repeating a falsehood and proving that you never had any interest in a meaningful discussion.
simply put, because i want to make sure you catch on, Craigslist never made any money off any posting in the adult section. After a bushel of legal threats from varied statesmen who wanted to get publicity, CL caved and started to charge a small fee for making posts.. i am not sure what exactly this was meant to do. Something about having credit card receipts. Some of this money was used to pay ever-increasing staff to hand-screen every adult ad while more was donated through the Craigslist Foundation and related concerns.
Once this was established, many of the same mindless statesmen came back around to show how Outraged they are that CL is Profiting From These Immoral Bad People! and began the leaning process again.
written even more simply..
I Demand You Take Money For That Or Else!
How Dare You Take Money For That!
To say that this illegal activity will just go elsewhere is known, but it means CL is ONE LESS place THE POLICE can go, making it HARDER and NOT EASIER to PREVENT their illegal activity.
On the post: Would Photography Have Been Different If It Had Been Patented Up?
Re: Re:
-- with each receiving the equivalent today of $30,000 per year --
The actual amount would of course have been lower. This is simply making the conversion to todays money to prevent comments like "a 20 dollar pension?! that guy was insane!"
On the post: New Research Suggest Google Book Search Helps Publishers A Lot More Than It Hurts
Re:
I wish Google Books had more of a browsable "shelf", like some of the library systems are starting to have. I really want to see what books would be next to the one I'm looking at, if I were actually in a library.
This is an interesting statement and (to me) an important one. All venues, be they libraries or bookstores, serve two basic functions. They act as a Source, that is they actually make the books available to you to buy, borrow, etc. They have the books and get them to you. But they also act (in a small way) as a Filter, what is available, what is not, so on. Since even the digital bookshelves are not quite infinite, the context matters more and more as things jockey for position.
So as the actual sourcing of material grows more diverse and we could purchase anything from anywhere, we have to search harder and harder to find a good filter. This ability to (more or less) get people what they are looking for has served google well as a search engine and we are seeing similar "if you like this, try that" efforts from groups like Amazon and Netflix
On the post: To Find Needles In Haystacks, US Gov't Has Built Hundreds Of New Haystacks
Re: Re: How about some data management...
The part below the bold "How About Some Data Management.." text is the area we like to call the Post. In a comment system as used here on Techdirt, the Post is the part you read and respond to.
Sure, I know its more fun to read the title of the post, jump to a random conclusion and then fire off a sarcastic post, but it really does not add to the overall conversation.
Now, a real reply would be:
That sounds actually great, Kingster. Sadly such a simple plan would require a 20billion dollar budget and bids from every advanced computing firm who wanted that delicious plum. 40bill and 5 years from now when that project was scrapped as unworkable, we will have come up with something else for no good reason.
Or we could get google* to create a tool for this that runs on a new Secure-Android operating system, allowing for real-time crossgroup data sharing and mining while creating security for everyone.
*google used here as a placeholder for a random corp with the programming brainpower to do the job but without the longstanding security contracts/delicious money-printer agreements that corrupt anyone working alongside the overall security world.
On the post: RIAA Spent $17.6 Million In Lawsuits... To Get $391,000 In Settlements?
Re: Law enforcement is not a business model...
They are engaging in massive numbers of civil suits, legal threats, name-calling and vote-buying activities. They are taking these actions despite the enormous costs in an attempt to hold back a tide and stop the sun in the sky. This is not "law enforcement". The only thing that is being "enforced and upheld" is the creaking structure of a few meddling groups at the expense of actual law enforcement and citizens, even those citizens that the special interest groups claim to be serving. ("we are making sure our artists get paid" comes from one side of the talking heads while "no checks for you, we decided to keep everything you earned" comes from the other)
And another important note, the way you conflate the actions of a handful of multi-national conglomerate corporations with "governments and authorities" is deeply frightening.
Let us all bow before the capricious big-money overlords and their jack boot enforcers.. remember, infringement is theft And piracy And terrorism And anything else we decide to call it.
Now pay me for the rights to remember this post or we will have to beat it out of your head on the way to PirateTerroristThief Jail.
On the post: Why Google's Street View WiFi Data Collection Was Almost Certainly An Accident
Re: Re: Google apologia?
Seems to me that the only reason someone wouldn't respond to a total and complete reply (like Mike's) is if they knew that they were coming from a position entirely without merit to begin with.
Thank you, Mr Scott. Your silence is speaking volumes about you.
On the post: Why Google's Street View WiFi Data Collection Was Almost Certainly An Accident
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re:
an unencrypted wireless hotspot, whether in your home or in a coffee shop, is Incredibly accessible. All of the data moving across and through is likewise accessible.
This is not a case of peeking through windows or trying to lean close enough to hear someones phone conversation. This is making a note of where you saw the lit billboard with BELKINWIRELESS ROUTERHOME written across it, or where you heard an announcement across a PA system "WIRELESS CONNECTION ON AISLE TWELVE! PLEASE TAKE INFORMATION FROM THIS WIRELESS CONNECTION"
Starting to whimper and moan about Wiretapping legislation and claiming the entire body of evidence shows "intentional" activity is just silly.
On the post: No, We Didn't Save* Journalism, But We Did Generate A Lot Of Ideas
Re:
I do not recall any claim from mike that he was an all-knowing figure of ultimate wisdom, merely that these are items and stories that were interesting to him, delivered with commentary from himself and various other experts.
Unlike a traditional media outlet, there is no desperation to set himself up as an ultimate authority with backup from the government. No one is even forced to come here, read anything, or post. So feel free to roll up your astroturf, take your bat and head home.
Back to the story at hand, we have big business and small alike coming away from a small event, possibly making more headway then all the lobbyists and all the lawyers combined. ignoring that would simply be, well, ignorant.
On my own behalf,
Tek'a r.
On the post: Updated Research Showing, Yet Again, That Weaker Copyright Has Benefited Culture And Society
Re: Re: Re: Re:
Wouldn't you think that mike and the entire techdirt gang could do better then "the same person comes into every thread and attempts to shout me down"? Why not simply delete every post you make, or edit them to make everything agree with whatever they say?
Instead you fear that there are shadowy figures lurking throughout the site, all tied together in some mysterious payroll scheme that pays every time one of your ridiculous "points" is disagreed with.
Because the other option is realizing that the common denominator in all of your failed arguments is.. wait for it.. you.
On the post: Telcos May 'Agree' To Net Neutrality Legislation... That They Like
"whats that? you are receiving bad connections due to the 'neutrality filter'? gee, we would like to help, but we were forced to install that by Law, so our hands are tied. Of course, if you upgraded maybe we could.."
On the post: There Is No Such Thing As Search Neutrality, Because The Whole Point Of Search Is To Recommend What's Best
Re: Google's lack of search neutrality
a choice quote:
The entire point of a modern search engine Is to be biased. If i simply wanted to scroll through a thousand-page list of websites that included the words "Cooking" "Time" "For" "Boiled" "Egg" to find a cooking site and information on cooking an egg.. well, i wouldnt want to. I want to find the "best" match, which current algorithms say is http://whatscookingamerica.net/Eggs/BoiledEggs.htm
Notice how i was not sent to a dictionary site that tries to link every imaginable word combination, and i was not sent to the application form for a paid-subscription cooking site because they paid off my search provider. I got a result that was biased (towards being correct) and transparent (the companies involved were not misleading me or hiding a connection)
You go out of your way to purposefully mix up terms and take tiny quotes out of their context to shape a "compelling" story.
Aha, they say that being transparent is good, and then someone else says that they don't want certain details of their ranking algorithms made public! Shock! Gasp! Moral Outrage!
What kind of headlines are next? "When Will Google Reply To Questions About Their Cannibalistic Orgies?" "New Google Technology Takes Over Internet Forever*!"
*at a closer look, you seem to be claiming this already.
All of the action-packed bulletpoints you make are questionable, many leading to an interwoven nest of "google action! sites" and the others leading to pdf.. PDFs for goodness sake, full of buzzwords and "Oddly Designed Phrases"
shameful, Scott. very shameful.
I wont claim that your head is in the sand, but it might well be somewhere else.. and is sure is dark there.
On the post: Significant Objects Becomes A Book... More Infinite Goods Creating New Scarcities
Re:
Compared to CDs/DVDs, once you burn your media, via the number of cheap and effective tools on the marketplace, the end result is often as good if not better (better by content, pbetter by removing ads, etc) then what the original publisher stamped out.
a good book is scarce for delivering the content in a particular way at a particular quality. a shiny plastic disc that anyone could replace or improve is not scarce, it is at best a wrapper for the content and at worse a damaging interference (rootkits, self-installing anything, etc)
On the post: Could Collection Societies Help Up-And-Coming Artists With A 20/80 Distribution System?
Re: "soshalisms!"
The system is already designed to take everyone's money (the PRO's think that everyone needs pay them a music tax forever)and give some to a tiny handful or performers and writers while keeping the rest for themselves.
What we have here is mike letting us know, despite his own reservations about the PROs, about someones interesting idea.
I know, i know.. the idea that the groups that claim to pay their members and "have their member's interests in mind" should actually Pay Out a tiny fraction of their income rather then rejiggering the math and forgetting to send out checks.. that kind of idea is wacky soshalist commi nazi maoist leninist talk!
I know, i know, i am making the mistake of responding to a blatant and foolish troll, sorry everyone.
On the post: How Monetary Rewards Can Demotivate Creative Works
Re: Right on.
Its a lovely fantasy, but this is not the place to share it. Go ask Spielberg if his cybertronic technology can help you cure the world, or ask Cameron to lend you a couple bucks for proper ad campaign, since you were such a big help and creative influence for them both.
On the post: Michigan Politician Proposes Bill To Regulate Journalists So He Can Tell You Which Reporters To Trust
There is no provision for "starting a bill just to create discussion" as far as i know, no "just joking guys" motion to veto. This is a lawmaker burning public funds on a dead-end bill just to use it as a personal soapbox and an excuse to give out interviews and press conferences.
Lets hope the people of Michigan inform the senator of what they think about waste when election time comes around.
On the post: Joe Konrath Explains Why Authors Shouldn't Fear File Sharing
Re: "Our nation and our economy is what it is today, because of the ingenuity and ideas of our people -- ideas that have been safeguarded through strong intellectual property rights protections," Senator Orrin Hatch, a Utah Republican
not you, i mean the citation from the Representative and senators?
Simply handing a sheet of "talking points" to a rep' or senator who has been receiving "donations"(payment) does not magically turn the statements into facts.
This is not even getting into the always-ignored follow-on effects, since those imaginary billions of dollars did not disappear into some magical ether the moment something was infringed on.
shame on PCworld for printing that statement without a single bit of examination. They seem dedicated to sinking to AP levels of "reporting"
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