Re: Re: These ASCAP agents might as well just carry a gun and take everything from these establishments.Re:
"It may very well be done under a court order, but it won't be a lawful one"
Explain please. That statement does not make sense to me.
A court order is Law in action -
- as I understand it , in my humble opinion, based on years of reading , studying , and a degree in Pol-sci ;;; and also $50,000 still due in student loans
Re: Re: why should not John , Paul , George and Ringo be able to have their estates control and profit from their Art for 1000 years?"
clearly you are new here.
So , click my profile , check my several hundred recent posts here on this topic , & go to my websites because "before you accuse me , take a look at yourself,,,,,,."
Unless you are willing to admit that you were wrong multiple times in your initial post (falsely suggesting ASCAP's one side view was an accurate description of copyright and then falsely claiming there was no debate over the IP clause) I will not respond
don't walk away now , we are just beginning to understand where tyhe other is comming from.
I accept your anarchist philosophy re: copyright and patent.
And you should accept that I believe that a constitutional democracy -- that our U.S. Constitution builds, is the best system of gov't for all areas of life and law ,, including copyright.
If we both come to further posts with that in mind ,, we can have a meaningful exchange.
But you must accept the fact Mike the the USA is NOT an anarchist republic, and copyright law is clearly embedded into the constitution to "promote" ---(and protect too , in my humble opinion) --- economic growth and innovation at all levels.
nice post. thank you for taking the time. and as you see , "the other side" falls silent when faced with a good factual post. They (mostly) never admit being wrong - in my humble opinion.
But if I -- or another reasonable poster -- mis-types in "Tuesday" , in stead of "Wednesday" , I get flame back, and told I am an lying "troll" -- even if my typing mistake is completely irrelevant to the point intended.
Fifth, further posts beyond this one continue fail to clarify just HOW your view of copyright protection is a natural right. So I'm still lost on this.
re-read the whole thread carefully , top to bottom. All posteds and all commmets.
If you still have a question, please specifically point out where and on what point your question[s] is/are , and will do my best to respond.
nice litte sub-thread here. We need more like that !! I am telling you ,, it will get techdirt better readers, better posters ,, better advertisers , and better profits.
The topic you Mike raise at techdirt are useful and interesting and important.
Sometimes out exposition in posting turns into mud-wrestling. To which I plead guilty too sometimes.
Let us all work to get better.
I really do want to learn more and understand better , by coming to techdirt.
Re: Re: Re: But when you buy a cd you own the physical object + non-tagable object that exist on that medium.
The first-sale doctrine is a limitation on copyright that was recognized by the Supreme Court of the United States in 1908 (see Bobbs-Merrill Co. v. Straus) and subsequently codified in the Copyright Act of 1976, 17 U.S.C. ยง 109. The doctrine allows the purchaser to transfer (i.e., sell or give away) a particular lawfully made copy of the copyrighted work without permission once it has been obtained. This means that the copyright holder's rights to control the change of ownership of a particular copy end once that copy is sold, as long as no additional copies are made. This doctrine is also referred to as the "first sale rule" or "exhaustion rule."
***** as long as no additional copies are made.!!!!!!! ******
Single copy , to give away to friend is OK. Multiple copies is illegal-- if I read it right, in my humble opinion.
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Re: Re: Re: ASCAP goon squads & songs played school dances
At the very least, the DJ is performing the compositions for a profit."
Good point. Kudos to you.
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Re: Re: Right of public performance
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&client=opera&hs=r5F&rls=en&q=any+retransmissi on+for+money++is+protected+under+copyright&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&oq=&gs_rfai=
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Re: Re: These ASCAP agents might as well just carry a gun and take everything from these establishments.Re:
Explain please. That statement does not make sense to me.
A court order is Law in action -
- as I understand it , in my humble opinion, based on years of reading , studying , and a degree in Pol-sci ;;; and also $50,000 still due in student loans
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Re: Re: Robert A. Heinlein, 1939
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Re: Re: Re: Re: why should not John , Paul , George and Ringo be able to have their estates control and profit from their Art for 1000 years?"
It thought that would be clear to any reader , next time I will ad a smiley :).
But there is a sliver of serious question in the post
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Re: Gangsters?
Extortion? No-- in my humble opinion. But I will ask my lawyers.
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Re: ASCAP goon squads & songs played school dances
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Re: License? All this because the govt has spent the next 10 generations of wealth...in advance.
cute point . I like it
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Re: Re: At any rate, I think life + 70 is too long a term given current lifespans, but I don't think the system is irreparably broken.
good post
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Re: Re: why should not John , Paul , George and Ringo be able to have their estates control and profit from their Art for 1000 years?"
So , click my profile , check my several hundred recent posts here on this topic , & go to my websites because "before you accuse me , take a look at yourself,,,,,,."
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Unless you are willing to admit that you were wrong multiple times in your initial post (falsely suggesting ASCAP's one side view was an accurate description of copyright and then falsely claiming there was no debate over the IP clause) I will not respond
I accept your anarchist philosophy re: copyright and patent.
And you should accept that I believe that a constitutional democracy -- that our U.S. Constitution builds, is the best system of gov't for all areas of life and law ,, including copyright.
If we both come to further posts with that in mind ,, we can have a meaningful exchange.
But you must accept the fact Mike the the USA is NOT an anarchist republic, and copyright law is clearly embedded into the constitution to "promote" ---(and protect too , in my humble opinion) --- economic growth and innovation at all levels.
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Re: Re: Re: Re: willfully clueless or a flat-out liar,
Sometimes I succeed.
Sometime I fail.
But i always try my best.
Too many here don't even do that --
in my humble opinion.
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why should not John , Paul , George and Ringo be able to have their estates control and profit from their Art for 1000 years?"
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"Hilarious discussion on all sides."
But as point-counterpoint goes,, this thread is pretty good
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Re: Right of public performance
But if I -- or another reasonable poster -- mis-types in "Tuesday" , in stead of "Wednesday" , I get flame back, and told I am an lying "troll" -- even if my typing mistake is completely irrelevant to the point intended.
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These ASCAP agents might as well just carry a gun and take everything from these establishments.Re:
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Re: Re: , make a comment or point full holes ,, see if anybody is awake out there and catches it.
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Fifth, further posts beyond this one continue fail to clarify just HOW your view of copyright protection is a natural right. So I'm still lost on this.
If you still have a question, please specifically point out where and on what point your question[s] is/are , and will do my best to respond.
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Re: Re: Re: Re: Definition?
The topic you Mike raise at techdirt are useful and interesting and important.
Sometimes out exposition in posting turns into mud-wrestling. To which I plead guilty too sometimes.
Let us all work to get better.
I really do want to learn more and understand better , by coming to techdirt.
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Re: Re: Re: But when you buy a cd you own the physical object + non-tagable object that exist on that medium.
***** as long as no additional copies are made.!!!!!!! ******
Single copy , to give away to friend is OK. Multiple copies is illegal-- if I read it right, in my humble opinion.
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