"Something copyrighted in the US isn't in the public domain overseas."
IF the country in question isn't a signatory to the Berne copyright agreement then it most certainly is in the public domain in that country just as English work, for example, was before the United States signed on not all that far back and US publishers reprinted the work of English authors without remitting as much as a penny to them or their English publisher.
United States law does NOT apply extra-territorially. There are cases where under treaty some laws that are in line with the treaty are respected in other countries. Outside of that U.S. law applies only in the United States, it's possessions and territories. Nowhere else.
Wikipedia is violating no laws in going dark nor does it endanger free expression as the Wikimedia folks have decided to exercise just that by going dark.
The reason they too so long to come to this decision is that they were concerned about their place as a reference work taking part in politics but have decided that this is well worth the risk. Good for them!
Somehow I'm not surprised that the bill has cost you and others. Nor does it surprise me that the supporters of the bill really don't care. It's not about start ups and small business but about giant established companies and protecting them.
Reid has been in politics long enough that he's mastered double speak so here he's trying his hand at triple speech. His answer to the question, boiled down to essentials, really seems to be "yes, I want PIPA to go ahead in public but I won't cry all that long if it's defeated or vetoed." He's been paid already so what does he care?
But he is going to sound like he cares about SOMETHING even if that something has little or nothing to do with the question. He's just hoping no one will notice after the verbiage has leaked out,
It's not so much the ignorance of current Internet and Web technology on the part of congresscritters that bothers me as much as the pride some of them take in it.
I guess they're as ignorant about how their cars work these days, too, given how many computers run them.
The ones who take pride in their self-stated ignorance seem to think their constituents are as ignorant as they are which, I'd waver, is decreasing at a rapid rate.
There does seem to be an enormous ignorance about what search engines do, what other tools do and what people use the Internet and Web for as a communications tool. Far better and faster than snail mail more efficient. SOPA/PIPA threaten most if not all of that even if it's collateral damage.
Without these tools Open Source software wouldn't be at the place is is not, maybe not widely available and as reliable as it is now.
They just don't get it, do they? Can't say I'm surprised as if you live in a fantasy world the world must conform to your fantasies.
And to even hint that, as an industry, they're the least bit innovative is laughable. Individuals within the industry, yes, usually to enormous opposition by studios, but as an industry? Nahhhhhh.
Make content available in a way that the consumer (remember them?) the end customer can afford can afford or wants. Say the singles the were finally pushed into by Apple at relatively decent price.
In short don't overvalue your product or sell in a ways and forms the market doesn't' want.
The movie trick has already been mentioned though to that I'll add exhibitors need to make their theatres places people want to go. Seeing a movie on TV isn't the same as in a theatre not can it be made the same social event.
In short for the RIAA and MPAA let go of the idea that you control the release chain from end to end and loosen up a bit (or a lot).
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I think it was an English judge named John Selden sometime between 1584 and 1654.
The full quote is "Ignorance of the law excuses no man: Not that all men know the law, but because 'tis an excuse every man will plead, and no man can tell how to refute him."
Apple is perceived as both the market leader in tablets and the company that made them acceptable as a consumer device. Not to mention the sales leader. Like it or not Apple is what everything is compared to.
The question is more "is Apple interested in the market Datawind is? My answer is that I doubt it. Still, major movers and shakers in the computer market made OLPC's rather short life miserable.
Invariably there will be nits to be picked about where Datawind has cut back to make these things affordable in some of the poorest parts of the world but at least they're trying to do something there. Android is a sufficiently proven OS to make it more than viable for this use and because it's open source, it makes it easier to customers and countries to modify the code for their own use and purposes. In that final sense it makes it more valuable to places like India and Bangladesh. India, at least, is overflowing with coders now who can tackle problems quickly and efficiently.
So Kudos to Datawind for what they've come up with. The comparison is inevitable as it paved to way to make what Datewind is hoping to bring to market acceptable in markets Apple's not the slightest bit interested in but due to the iPad there is an interest in tablets.
They're aiming higher now at the region where thighs meet torso and often find reproductive organs. As they're going to become extinct the way they're going they might just as well shoot themselves there as well.
The day of the digital library may have come and gone. Or it may be yet to come. Remember that what we call public libraries were started by private interests with the idea of taking books and learning to the public and the poor.
The digial age may need to respond similarly, at least as far as the poor and indegent are concerned. (I'm making the assumption that there will be a middle class left in North America in 10 years time)
As someone has already said. I discovered my love of books in libraries. Public and University libraries, mind as high school ones in my day were a sad joke. I discovered my love of music by listening to it and singing. By doing both reading and music. I found my career, accidentally, by doing it cause I was out of work at the time and took a job with a telco to save up for school, which I never did.and gardening by just doing it. And consulting books, we sites and a ton of other resources. Largely by avoiding classrooms and just learning on the job, as it were.
(Not for everyone, I admit, but I'm what's called an intuitive learner and we are the ones bored to death in class, looking out the windows and skipping a ton of classes because we got it in the first two and a half weeks into the semester, and driving teachers and fellow students nuts by still pulling in great grades. After a while even that game gets dull and borning too, so we leave.)
I do, I learn. I can leap and get to semester end when I want and go back and see what did right, wrong or better on.
Libaries have been vital to me in that kind of learning. The way they're funded today the Internet is more up to date then public libraries are.
But have publishers, recording companies, movie studios thought just once about changing to adapt to a changed situation? No, not once. They've had the chance and now of course, as Brantley points out, once again, brick and mortar location where the publishing industry could continue to thrive on paper as well as in bits and bytes, are being restricted by that industry. The Library.
For the life of me I don't understand the stupidity of this.
Let's try to remember that his ruling came from a magistrate's court which is about as far down on the bottom on the judicial system in England as you can get. This isn't to say the barristers or the judge were or are incompetent only that either way this turned out there would likely be an appeal.
It's at the coming stages of the appeal that the rulings will be important.for reasons like setting precedent and defining what and how broadly the "mere conduit" can be interpreted.
I suspect it will be a while yet before Richard O'Dwyer sees the inside of an American court much less spends time in a jail.
By the way. Just to complicate things for Americans who don't know these things. Scotland has a separate and different criminal code from England and there are differences in Scots civil law too. Innocent before being proven guilty is carried on in both but there are important differences. So this ruling may not and probably does not apply UK wide.
Switch multimeter over to the ohms. Expected resistance between Article 1, Section 8 of the US Consitution expected to be as close to 0 as possible, say something like 0.00000000000001 ohms. Preferably less.
The resistance reading between Article 1. Section 8 of the US Constitution and SOPA/PIPA/DCMA deflects on the needle to infinity.
Output is bad because output never connects due to high resistance/impedance between source and target. The design of SOPA/PIPA/DCMA introduces far too much resistance fort the signal to get from them to the US Constitution. Output 0. Expcected output 1. Fail.
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An idiot, perhaps, but a grownup, no.
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IF the country in question isn't a signatory to the Berne copyright agreement then it most certainly is in the public domain in that country just as English work, for example, was before the United States signed on not all that far back and US publishers reprinted the work of English authors without remitting as much as a penny to them or their English publisher.
United States law does NOT apply extra-territorially. There are cases where under treaty some laws that are in line with the treaty are respected in other countries. Outside of that U.S. law applies only in the United States, it's possessions and territories. Nowhere else.
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The reason they too so long to come to this decision is that they were concerned about their place as a reference work taking part in politics but have decided that this is well worth the risk. Good for them!
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It's just to bad you got caught up in this mess.
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of course, this is the same Rupert Murdock whose companies have been found hacking into phones in England. (So far.)
But at least he's proven that he's more tech savvy than most congresscritters. He knows how to use Twitter!!!
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But he is going to sound like he cares about SOMETHING even if that something has little or nothing to do with the question. He's just hoping no one will notice after the verbiage has leaked out,
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I guess they're as ignorant about how their cars work these days, too, given how many computers run them.
The ones who take pride in their self-stated ignorance seem to think their constituents are as ignorant as they are which, I'd waver, is decreasing at a rapid rate.
There does seem to be an enormous ignorance about what search engines do, what other tools do and what people use the Internet and Web for as a communications tool. Far better and faster than snail mail more efficient. SOPA/PIPA threaten most if not all of that even if it's collateral damage.
Without these tools Open Source software wouldn't be at the place is is not, maybe not widely available and as reliable as it is now.
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And to even hint that, as an industry, they're the least bit innovative is laughable. Individuals within the industry, yes, usually to enormous opposition by studios, but as an industry? Nahhhhhh.
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In short don't overvalue your product or sell in a ways and forms the market doesn't' want.
The movie trick has already been mentioned though to that I'll add exhibitors need to make their theatres places people want to go. Seeing a movie on TV isn't the same as in a theatre not can it be made the same social event.
In short for the RIAA and MPAA let go of the idea that you control the release chain from end to end and loosen up a bit (or a lot).
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Re: Re: Re: many voters are stupid/ignorant/uninformed/unqualified, etc.
The full quote is "Ignorance of the law excuses no man: Not that all men know the law, but because 'tis an excuse every man will plead, and no man can tell how to refute him."
Courtesy of http://www.quotationspage.com/quote/29253.html
Thanks for making me look that up. I always have wondered where it came from. As for famous, well the quote is the judge far less so.
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The question is more "is Apple interested in the market Datawind is? My answer is that I doubt it. Still, major movers and shakers in the computer market made OLPC's rather short life miserable.
Invariably there will be nits to be picked about where Datawind has cut back to make these things affordable in some of the poorest parts of the world but at least they're trying to do something there. Android is a sufficiently proven OS to make it more than viable for this use and because it's open source, it makes it easier to customers and countries to modify the code for their own use and purposes. In that final sense it makes it more valuable to places like India and Bangladesh. India, at least, is overflowing with coders now who can tackle problems quickly and efficiently.
So Kudos to Datawind for what they've come up with. The comparison is inevitable as it paved to way to make what Datewind is hoping to bring to market acceptable in markets Apple's not the slightest bit interested in but due to the iPad there is an interest in tablets.
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The day of the digital library may have come and gone. Or it may be yet to come. Remember that what we call public libraries were started by private interests with the idea of taking books and learning to the public and the poor.
The digial age may need to respond similarly, at least as far as the poor and indegent are concerned. (I'm making the assumption that there will be a middle class left in North America in 10 years time)
As someone has already said. I discovered my love of books in libraries. Public and University libraries, mind as high school ones in my day were a sad joke. I discovered my love of music by listening to it and singing. By doing both reading and music. I found my career, accidentally, by doing it cause I was out of work at the time and took a job with a telco to save up for school, which I never did.and gardening by just doing it. And consulting books, we sites and a ton of other resources. Largely by avoiding classrooms and just learning on the job, as it were.
(Not for everyone, I admit, but I'm what's called an intuitive learner and we are the ones bored to death in class, looking out the windows and skipping a ton of classes because we got it in the first two and a half weeks into the semester, and driving teachers and fellow students nuts by still pulling in great grades. After a while even that game gets dull and borning too, so we leave.)
I do, I learn. I can leap and get to semester end when I want and go back and see what did right, wrong or better on.
Libaries have been vital to me in that kind of learning. The way they're funded today the Internet is more up to date then public libraries are.
But have publishers, recording companies, movie studios thought just once about changing to adapt to a changed situation? No, not once. They've had the chance and now of course, as Brantley points out, once again, brick and mortar location where the publishing industry could continue to thrive on paper as well as in bits and bytes, are being restricted by that industry. The Library.
For the life of me I don't understand the stupidity of this.
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It's at the coming stages of the appeal that the rulings will be important.for reasons like setting precedent and defining what and how broadly the "mere conduit" can be interpreted.
I suspect it will be a while yet before Richard O'Dwyer sees the inside of an American court much less spends time in a jail.
By the way. Just to complicate things for Americans who don't know these things. Scotland has a separate and different criminal code from England and there are differences in Scots civil law too. Innocent before being proven guilty is carried on in both but there are important differences. So this ruling may not and probably does not apply UK wide.
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I hear the weather is nice there, though. Far better than the north of England!
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What? There were no jobs? Oh heck. Just go get 'em anyway. We just can't have this going on!
So saith the RIAA, MPAA and ESA.
Here endeth the lesson.
/sarcasm
maybe
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The resistance reading between Article 1. Section 8 of the US Constitution and SOPA/PIPA/DCMA deflects on the needle to infinity.
Output is bad because output never connects due to high resistance/impedance between source and target. The design of SOPA/PIPA/DCMA introduces far too much resistance fort the signal to get from them to the US Constitution. Output 0. Expcected output 1. Fail.
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