Josh in CharlotteNC (profile), 25 Jul 2012 @ 1:44pm
Re: Re: Re: Re:
Searching P2P sites, downloading files that may or may not work, may or may not have the content, and may or may not play to the end - and that take time to download in many cases - isn't exactly convenient.
Geeze, was the last time you looked at filesharing back in the Kazaa/Grokster days? It is much easier, faster, and more convenient than it used to be. You almost never run into any of those issues if you have even the slightest idea of what you're doing (and if you don't, its quite easy to learn quickly).
I can start a torrent download faster than I can get a DVD off the shelf and put it in my player.
I'm ignoring reality?
PAY ATTENTION:
Give me a service that I can do the same thing on, without restrictions as to what device I can play it on, or what times I can watch it, without waiting, for a reasonable price, and I will pay money for it.
If you still think this is about not paying, then you are ignoring reality.
And if you want to talk about parrots, perhaps you should look in the mirror, since all you're doing is parroting certain trade organization's talking points.
Josh in CharlotteNC (profile), 25 Jul 2012 @ 1:13pm
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Hmmm
I agree.
I also agree generally with the list of ideas by the economists.
However. (You knew it was coming.)
The problem with both is that they seem to ignore what has actually happened. We can't ignore that SS will go broke because politicians raided it. We can't ignore that our economy is broke and there's no political will to fix it rationally.
We can have the best idea, a workable implementation of that plan, that all economists agree on - and yet it will still not be acheivable. Not because of its own flaws, but because it doesn't take into account where we're starting from. Which is with a broken economy, partisan and irrational politics, entrenched special interests, and a public with little financial and economic knowledge.
How do we get from where we are - to where we need to be? If you can't answer that, then it doesn't matter that the weather is sunny over there and storming here - you're stuck in the storm without a map and directions.
Josh in CharlotteNC (profile), 25 Jul 2012 @ 9:54am
Poor execution
The idea is simple. BitTorrent Inc. helps artists to promote a bundle of free content to their 150 million users. This bundle includes a piece of sponsored software such as a media player or anti-virus package that can be installed as an option. When a user installs the free software, both the artist and BitTorrent get a cut of the proceeds.
Ugh. Their idea is bloatware? So since Microsoft is finally trying to fix the mess it created and get OEMs to get rid of the cruft on prebuilt machines, BitTorrent has decided to step in and start at it? Do people really need more trial antiviruses that stop updating (unless they pay)and leave people vulnerable? Or another browser toolbar?
Good idea - getting artists to help BitTorrent and trying to get them paid
Poor execution - doing it with optional software installs that are unlikely to add any value to a user's experience and more likely to make it worse
Josh in CharlotteNC (profile), 25 Jul 2012 @ 9:25am
Re: Re:
People want what Hollywood is cooking, plain and simple. They aren't willing to sign off and stop consuming it, they even go to great lengths having better computers, faster connections, higher internet bills, larger hard drives, just to download it so they can tell their friends they saw it.
All true.
Also true: People want to consume that content in easy and convenient ways for a reasonable price.
For all the arm waving, for all the jumping up and down, for all the "new business models" and "successful artists" out there, we are just not seeing anything that comes even marginally close to touching Hollywood for being the most desirable product.
For all the whining about piracy, for all the bought politicians and pushed legislation, we are not seeing anything from Hollywood that resembles acknowledging that markets change and giving people what they want is a good business.
Josh in CharlotteNC (profile), 25 Jul 2012 @ 9:11am
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re:
Are they not economically hurt?
So point to a specific example. Clear, quantifiable, evidence of harm. Not theoretical potential profits. If it is so simple, then do so.
We're waiting.
We have dozens of specific examples of copyright directly harming people individually and society as a whole. We have multiple studies with clear and open methodolgy and verifiable data showing these are not outliers. You have shown no specific examples or verifiable data supporting your position. If you have, please point me to it.
If all you want to do is talk theoretical potential profits, then allow me to rebut with a few potential profit streams the music industry is missing out on through their own incompetence:
- Setting up an easy to use licensing system for all their works, and charging small amounts for personal videos, documentaries, and such could generate all sorts of profits.
- Lowering licensing costs to streaming providers, and stop suing or sabotaging them, such as Grooveshark, Spotify, and other such services would encourage more services and more people to use them, generating enormous potential profits.
Further, what happens if the music is used in relation to something the writer, composer, or performer specifically does not agree with?
There is nothing stopping the writer/artist/composer coming out publicly against the things he/she disagrees with. It is actually pretty stupid for a business or politician to use a work for promotional without making sure that the artist would support it for just this very reason. It ends up looking very bad for that business, and giving the artist a nice tall pedestal and audience to rant against whatever the business was trying to promote.
Josh in CharlotteNC (profile), 25 Jul 2012 @ 7:22am
Re:
Every single one of you has had the power to protect internet freedom, but instead, you'd rather see The Dark Knight Rises, which funnels money to those who push bills to take away internet freedom.
You can't have your cake and eat it too.
When a content creator, even if it is a major studio or label, creates quality content and offers it for a reasonable price, in a convenient and desireable manner, then why shouldn't we support them? We should encourage that! And we should tell them why we're buying.
Yes, I went to see The Dark Knight. Why? It was a social experience to go see it with friends at the midnight opening showing. Social experience is something which cannot be pirated, and I'm willing to pay for it.
Will I buy the DVD or a digital download? Unlikely - but I may decide to pirate it - most likely because of price or silly restrictions. And I'll say why I didn't buy it.
Remove the sources to the problems and everything else falls into place.
As much as I would love to see the complete collapse of the legacy industries, it is highly improbable. Since I think we'd agree that they pay attention to money - we show them how they can get our money by paying for the options that work for us, and not buying those that don't. They will follow the money - or go out of business.
At the same time, we fight against the laws they try to push by telling our elected officials that they're supposed to work for us, not Hollywood, and we can vote them out.
Josh in CharlotteNC (profile), 24 Jul 2012 @ 4:10pm
Re: Re: Re:
This is an example of copyright working exactly as it is intended to.
Err, no.
Copyright was originally intended to be for a limited time, after which time the copyrighted work would enter the public domain. But with the constant retroactive expansion of term length, this no longer applies.
At the time, it would take days just to get a small amount of information, such as a letter or book, from one end of the country to another by the fastest means possible, a horse carrying a courier. Now we can move that same information farther in fractions of a second, or the entire contents of the Library of Congress in minutes.
At the time, it cost an enormous amount of resources to publish a book and distribute it. This can now be done at little cost by anyone with the time to write something.
"If nature has made any one thing less susceptible than all others of exclusive property, it is the action of the thinking power called an idea,"
Thomas Jefferson, letter to Isaac McPherson (1813)
"But grants of this sort can be justified in very peculiar cases only, if at all; the danger being very great that the good resulting from the operation of the monopoly, will be overbalanced by the evil effect of the precedent; and it being not impossible that the monopoly itself, in its original operation, may produce more evil than good."
James Madison, “Monopolies, Perpetuities, Corporations, Ecclesiastical Endowments” (1819)
Josh in CharlotteNC (profile), 24 Jul 2012 @ 7:01am
Re:
You can live with someone who sells something cheaper than you (e.g. boast that your materials are of better quality, thus the product is more expensive, or perhaps reduce your profit margin), but you can't compete with someone who is giving something away for free.
Nonsense. You can compete with free the same way. Offer a good or service that is better (or viewed as better) than what is offered for free.
Two words:
Bottled Water
He instead chose to give his products away for free (as if he was helping the poor), not to GIVE something BACK to his community (he could have just gone to the church soup kitchen) but to ANNOY the other nearby merchants (regardless if they deserved it or not).
Nonsense. From the article:
"The Swedish Young Pirates association had a tent at a local municipal festival, and were handing out free waffles as an attraction."
They were not purposefully doing it to annoy other vendors. They were doing it as a promotion. I'll guess they were promoting their political views - trying to get people to sit down and listen to them in exchange for free waffles. Whether its politics or business, this is done all the time. Geeze, go to any tech event or business fair and you come back loaded with free stuff (otherwise known as swag) for paying attention to someone at their booth.
Josh in CharlotteNC (profile), 24 Jul 2012 @ 6:39am
Re:
Be sure to index every single politician, loobbyist, collection society, corporation, etc. that's worked so diligently over the past several years to try and dictate our lives.
That part of the book would be larger than a full set of the Encyclopedia Brittanica.
Josh in CharlotteNC (profile), 23 Jul 2012 @ 8:01am
Re: Re: Dear Music Collection Agencies
but yet, you will still illegally download the music, proving to them you want it, but you don't want to pay for it
True story: the only music I've pirated in the last 6 months is music that is not available via Grooveshark.
Also true story: I pay a monthy subscription of $9 to Grooveshark. This is more than I spent buying CDs in my teenage years before I became a heavy pirate in my early 20s.
the more you download and pirate, the more you prove them right
The more the legacy players try to close off legal services and venues, or keep their music off them, the less money they get.
So, coming from a completely unapologetic self-identifying pirate, this should mean something: I'm perfectly willing to pay money for useful services that are reasonably priced and convenient to me. I'm happy to give money when I know that it will benefit the artists that I care about. But I do not care about your out-dated business models that revel in wastage and inefficiencies to siphon off nearly everything that I pay to end up in the pockets of people who do nothing to benefit the artists I care about, or society as a whole. I will route around those inefficienies every chance I get. So if you want my money, stop being a barrier and start being an enabler.
Josh in CharlotteNC (profile), 23 Jul 2012 @ 7:30am
Re:
The admitted that at least ONCE, upon review, their actions where not in keeping with the 4th amendment. That doesn't mean they IGNORE it.
No, officer, I wasn't ignoring the speed limit. Upon review by your radar gun, my speed was not in keeping with the limit. By this logic, you cannot give me a ticket.
Josh in CharlotteNC (profile), 20 Jul 2012 @ 9:55am
Re:
"They're going to make 'a zillion dollars,' so piracy is OK!"
Effectively, yes.
The point of copyright is to encourage new works are created, correct?
The justification is that in order to create new works, creators need to be able to make money, correct?
Therefore, once the creators have made piles of money off their work, copyright on that work becomes moot.
Of course, maybe I'm just saying all this because I'm sleep deprived from seeing a really awesome movie last night at the midnight opening showing. Yes, I'm a pirate. That's why I paid my $11.50 for a ticket to go see a movie at midnight. If my parking experience is anything to go by, they may already be in the black.
Josh in CharlotteNC (profile), 18 Jul 2012 @ 10:48am
Re: Re: Re:
It's really not a good idea for a judge sitting a high profile copyright case to be stating any personal opinion in public about copyright.
Just curious, have you been making similar comments about Supreme Court Justice Scalia lately, or is it only this particular judge, or the issue of copyright?
There is no wonder that all of the rulings by this judge have been for the defendants.
It seems more plausible that after seeing how weak the US arguments were and how over the top their tactics are, the judge started looking into the issues deeper, and his paper and opinions are a result of the case - not that his rulings are the result of pre-conceived opinions. TPP wasn't a well known issue until after the SOPA protests - and the Mega raid happened the day after those protests - so it is unlikely that he has been working on this paper from before the Mega case started.
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Re: Re: Re: Re:
Geeze, was the last time you looked at filesharing back in the Kazaa/Grokster days? It is much easier, faster, and more convenient than it used to be. You almost never run into any of those issues if you have even the slightest idea of what you're doing (and if you don't, its quite easy to learn quickly).
I can start a torrent download faster than I can get a DVD off the shelf and put it in my player.
I'm ignoring reality?
PAY ATTENTION:
Give me a service that I can do the same thing on, without restrictions as to what device I can play it on, or what times I can watch it, without waiting, for a reasonable price, and I will pay money for it.
If you still think this is about not paying, then you are ignoring reality.
And if you want to talk about parrots, perhaps you should look in the mirror, since all you're doing is parroting certain trade organization's talking points.
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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Hmmm
I also agree generally with the list of ideas by the economists.
However. (You knew it was coming.)
The problem with both is that they seem to ignore what has actually happened. We can't ignore that SS will go broke because politicians raided it. We can't ignore that our economy is broke and there's no political will to fix it rationally.
We can have the best idea, a workable implementation of that plan, that all economists agree on - and yet it will still not be acheivable. Not because of its own flaws, but because it doesn't take into account where we're starting from. Which is with a broken economy, partisan and irrational politics, entrenched special interests, and a public with little financial and economic knowledge.
How do we get from where we are - to where we need to be? If you can't answer that, then it doesn't matter that the weather is sunny over there and storming here - you're stuck in the storm without a map and directions.
On the post: When Every Practical Economic Idea Is Political Suicide, Something's Wrong With Politics
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Hmmm
Unfortunately generations of politicians have been taking the money you paid in and using it for other things.
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Re: Re: Re:
On the post: BitTorrent Announces Plans To Help Artists Get Paid While Giving Their Creations Away For Free
Poor execution
Ugh. Their idea is bloatware? So since Microsoft is finally trying to fix the mess it created and get OEMs to get rid of the cruft on prebuilt machines, BitTorrent has decided to step in and start at it? Do people really need more trial antiviruses that stop updating (unless they pay)and leave people vulnerable? Or another browser toolbar?
Good idea - getting artists to help BitTorrent and trying to get them paid
Poor execution - doing it with optional software installs that are unlikely to add any value to a user's experience and more likely to make it worse
On the post: More And More People Sign On To The Declaration Of Internet Freedom
Re: Re:
All true.
Also true: People want to consume that content in easy and convenient ways for a reasonable price.
For all the arm waving, for all the jumping up and down, for all the "new business models" and "successful artists" out there, we are just not seeing anything that comes even marginally close to touching Hollywood for being the most desirable product.
For all the whining about piracy, for all the bought politicians and pushed legislation, we are not seeing anything from Hollywood that resembles acknowledging that markets change and giving people what they want is a good business.
Good luck getting around reality.
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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re:
So point to a specific example. Clear, quantifiable, evidence of harm. Not theoretical potential profits. If it is so simple, then do so.
We're waiting.
We have dozens of specific examples of copyright directly harming people individually and society as a whole. We have multiple studies with clear and open methodolgy and verifiable data showing these are not outliers. You have shown no specific examples or verifiable data supporting your position. If you have, please point me to it.
If all you want to do is talk theoretical potential profits, then allow me to rebut with a few potential profit streams the music industry is missing out on through their own incompetence:
- Setting up an easy to use licensing system for all their works, and charging small amounts for personal videos, documentaries, and such could generate all sorts of profits.
- Lowering licensing costs to streaming providers, and stop suing or sabotaging them, such as Grooveshark, Spotify, and other such services would encourage more services and more people to use them, generating enormous potential profits.
Further, what happens if the music is used in relation to something the writer, composer, or performer specifically does not agree with?
There is nothing stopping the writer/artist/composer coming out publicly against the things he/she disagrees with. It is actually pretty stupid for a business or politician to use a work for promotional without making sure that the artist would support it for just this very reason. It ends up looking very bad for that business, and giving the artist a nice tall pedestal and audience to rant against whatever the business was trying to promote.
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Re:
You can't have your cake and eat it too.
When a content creator, even if it is a major studio or label, creates quality content and offers it for a reasonable price, in a convenient and desireable manner, then why shouldn't we support them? We should encourage that! And we should tell them why we're buying.
Yes, I went to see The Dark Knight. Why? It was a social experience to go see it with friends at the midnight opening showing. Social experience is something which cannot be pirated, and I'm willing to pay for it.
Will I buy the DVD or a digital download? Unlikely - but I may decide to pirate it - most likely because of price or silly restrictions. And I'll say why I didn't buy it.
Remove the sources to the problems and everything else falls into place.
As much as I would love to see the complete collapse of the legacy industries, it is highly improbable. Since I think we'd agree that they pay attention to money - we show them how they can get our money by paying for the options that work for us, and not buying those that don't. They will follow the money - or go out of business.
At the same time, we fight against the laws they try to push by telling our elected officials that they're supposed to work for us, not Hollywood, and we can vote them out.
On the post: Movie Showing How Music Can Help Dementia Patients Held Up... By The Difficulty In Licensing The Music
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re:
Ignoring delusions of things that don't exist is generally a good policy.
Over and over and over again, we have asked for proof of harm for copyright infringement. Real, quantifiable, evidence of harm.
That you have never shown any tells us all we need to know.
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Re: Re: Re:
Err, no.
Copyright was originally intended to be for a limited time, after which time the copyrighted work would enter the public domain. But with the constant retroactive expansion of term length, this no longer applies.
At the time, it would take days just to get a small amount of information, such as a letter or book, from one end of the country to another by the fastest means possible, a horse carrying a courier. Now we can move that same information farther in fractions of a second, or the entire contents of the Library of Congress in minutes.
At the time, it cost an enormous amount of resources to publish a book and distribute it. This can now be done at little cost by anyone with the time to write something.
"If nature has made any one thing less susceptible than all others of exclusive property, it is the action of the thinking power called an idea,"
Thomas Jefferson, letter to Isaac McPherson (1813)
"But grants of this sort can be justified in very peculiar cases only, if at all; the danger being very great that the good resulting from the operation of the monopoly, will be overbalanced by the evil effect of the precedent; and it being not impossible that the monopoly itself, in its original operation, may produce more evil than good."
James Madison, “Monopolies, Perpetuities, Corporations, Ecclesiastical Endowments” (1819)
Just as the framers intended, eh?
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Re:
FTFY
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Re:
Nonsense. You can compete with free the same way. Offer a good or service that is better (or viewed as better) than what is offered for free.
Two words:
Bottled Water
He instead chose to give his products away for free (as if he was helping the poor), not to GIVE something BACK to his community (he could have just gone to the church soup kitchen) but to ANNOY the other nearby merchants (regardless if they deserved it or not).
Nonsense. From the article:
"The Swedish Young Pirates association had a tent at a local municipal festival, and were handing out free waffles as an attraction."
They were not purposefully doing it to annoy other vendors. They were doing it as a promotion. I'll guess they were promoting their political views - trying to get people to sit down and listen to them in exchange for free waffles. Whether its politics or business, this is done all the time. Geeze, go to any tech event or business fair and you come back loaded with free stuff (otherwise known as swag) for paying attention to someone at their booth.
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Re:
That part of the book would be larger than a full set of the Encyclopedia Brittanica.
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Re:
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Re: Re: Dear Music Collection Agencies
True story: the only music I've pirated in the last 6 months is music that is not available via Grooveshark.
Also true story: I pay a monthy subscription of $9 to Grooveshark. This is more than I spent buying CDs in my teenage years before I became a heavy pirate in my early 20s.
the more you download and pirate, the more you prove them right
The more the legacy players try to close off legal services and venues, or keep their music off them, the less money they get.
So, coming from a completely unapologetic self-identifying pirate, this should mean something: I'm perfectly willing to pay money for useful services that are reasonably priced and convenient to me. I'm happy to give money when I know that it will benefit the artists that I care about. But I do not care about your out-dated business models that revel in wastage and inefficiencies to siphon off nearly everything that I pay to end up in the pockets of people who do nothing to benefit the artists I care about, or society as a whole. I will route around those inefficienies every chance I get. So if you want my money, stop being a barrier and start being an enabler.
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Re:
No, officer, I wasn't ignoring the speed limit. Upon review by your radar gun, my speed was not in keeping with the limit. By this logic, you cannot give me a ticket.
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Re:
Effectively, yes.
The point of copyright is to encourage new works are created, correct?
The justification is that in order to create new works, creators need to be able to make money, correct?
Therefore, once the creators have made piles of money off their work, copyright on that work becomes moot.
Of course, maybe I'm just saying all this because I'm sleep deprived from seeing a really awesome movie last night at the midnight opening showing. Yes, I'm a pirate. That's why I paid my $11.50 for a ticket to go see a movie at midnight. If my parking experience is anything to go by, they may already be in the black.
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Question 3
Techdirt article pointing to WSJ
http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20091029/0151366712.shtml
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB125 658217507308619.html
will.i.am's contract terms come to light after MegaUpload song dispute
http://digitalmusicnews.com/permalink/2011/111216william
From ASCAP even:
http://www.ascap.com/eventsawards/events/expo/news/2011/04/Our-Bloggers-Sound-Off-About-the-W e-Create-Music-Panel.aspx
a bit vague, end of second paragraph
Actual Music Licensing Agreement at University of NC School of the Arts:
http://faculty.uncsa.edu/film/forms/production/original_music_license.pdf
Blog post about American Idol contract:
http://carlsmiller.hubpages.com/hub/Legal-Contracts-Throughout-the-Universe
Work for Hire Abuse
http://www.stopworkforhire.com/site2/legal-perspective/
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They'll have to pry my Sharpies from my cold dead hand
Sure, if we're talking about counterfeiting money, they're the pros. But copying the latest movie or music releases? GTFO.
Considering how many "circumvention devices" you already own without realizing it, you should be concerned.
I just bought new pack of Sharpies, too.
On the post: Pro-Copyright Judges Never Drop Cases Over Conflicts, So Why Does Megaupload Judge Have To Step Down?
Re: Re: Re:
Just curious, have you been making similar comments about Supreme Court Justice Scalia lately, or is it only this particular judge, or the issue of copyright?
There is no wonder that all of the rulings by this judge have been for the defendants.
It seems more plausible that after seeing how weak the US arguments were and how over the top their tactics are, the judge started looking into the issues deeper, and his paper and opinions are a result of the case - not that his rulings are the result of pre-conceived opinions. TPP wasn't a well known issue until after the SOPA protests - and the Mega raid happened the day after those protests - so it is unlikely that he has been working on this paper from before the Mega case started.
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