just as citizens of a nation must be educated about their rights to ensure that they are protected and upheld, so too must those who compose words and music know the rights that support their own acts of creation. Without these rights, which directly emanate from the U.S. Constitution, many who dream of focusing their talents and energies on music creation would be economically unable to do so - an outcome that would diminish artistic expression today and for future generations.
At this time, when so many forces are seeking to diminish copyright protections and devalue artistic expression, this Bill of Rights for Songwriters and Composers looks to clarify the entitlements that every music creator enjoys.
We have the right to be compensated for the use of our creative works, and share in the revenues that they generate.
We have the right to license our works and control the ways in which they are used.
We have the right to withhold permission for uses of our works on artistic, economic or philosophical grounds.
We have the right to protect our creative works to the fullest extent of the law from all forms of piracy, theft and unauthorized use, which deprive us of our right to earn a living based on our creativity.
We have the right to choose when and where our creative works may be used for free.
We have the right to develop, document and distribute our works through new media channels - while retaining the right to a share in all associated profits.
We have the right to choose the organizations we want to represent us and to join our voices together to protect our rights and negotiate for the value of our music.
We have the right to earn compensation from all types of "performances," including direct, live renditions as well as indirect recordings, broadcasts, digital streams and more.
We have the right to decline participation in business models that require us to relinquish all or part of our creative rights - or which do not respect our right to be compensated for our work.
We have the right to advocate for strong laws protecting our creative works, and demand that our government vigorously uphold and protect our rights.
Re: The government and the courts are charged with the duty of guaranteeing such profit in the future, even in the face of changing circumstances. Period.
But yet, never mind this aspect of the arts. Let's just blame everyone who "steals" because someone loses the 12 cents from the royalties.
"But yet, never mind this aspect of the arts. Let's just blame everyone who "steals" because someone loses the 12 cents from the royalties."
Glad you admit it is stealing.
Online ,like at lyric sites -- as discussed earlier this week @ techdirt -- it is possible for thousands , tens of thousands , even millions of people to "steal" a copyrighted work.
Do the math. At 12 pennies a pop it ads up to real money for the copyright holder.
well put here : "we still watch 40 year old tv shows and enjoy them. very few people are cuing up to read 10 year old masnick posts. there is your proof."
The entire law was written in the interests of copyright holders, and it's massively one-sided towards them.
And rightly so. Because Laws are for the benefit of the Victims,, not the criminals-- (if the law has been properly constructed, which is NOT always possible , because of powerful lobbyist who advocate unjust, greedy & often"morally criminal" causes. )
Please point me to the site where I can do this. I don't think I've ever seen a site that *sells* lyrics alone"
I replied :
Those who sell the lyrics directly , they are called "music publishers" The ones that print the songbooks we USED to BUY , before free lyric ( and chord ) site , stole their biz.
This biggest and best:
Hal Leonard Online
Welcome to Hal Leonard Online, the internet home for the world's largest music print publisher. For over 60 years, we've been publishing and distributing ... www.halleonard.com/ -
Please point me to the site where I can do this. I don't think I've ever seen a site that *sells* lyrics alone"
I replied :
Those who sell the lyrics directly , they are called "music publishers" The ones that print the songbooks we USED to BUY , before free lyric ( and chord ) site , stole their biz.
This biggest and best:
Hal Leonard Online
Welcome to Hal Leonard Online, the internet home for the world's largest music print publisher. For over 60 years, we've been publishing and distributing ... www.halleonard.com/ -
IT clear you are writing just to write at this stage , and any further disscusion is useless.
stated before you asked :
Please point me to the site where I can do this. I don't think I've ever seen a site that *sells* lyrics alone"
I replied :
Those who sell the lyrics directly , they are called "music publishers" The ones that print the songbooks we USED to BUY , before free lyric ( and chord ) site , stole their biz.
This biggest and best:
Hal Leonard Online
Welcome to Hal Leonard Online, the internet home for the world's largest music print publisher. For over 60 years, we've been publishing and distributing ... www.halleonard.com/ -
"A few points. First, this is the UK, the US. Second, the US is **not,technically, at war.** Only Congress can declare war, and they have not."
They are trying to kill us. We are trying to kill them.
We are "not technically at war" ?!?!?! We are at war ! Bombs are being dropped. Villages are being leveled. (And almost Times Square too ! )
Re: ReAny idiot knows , when at the Airport , do not joke about guns and bombs.
"Wait, seriously? You are suggesting that any time a police investigation ends up going nowhere, it's okay to charge those who caused the investigation with *criminal* sanctions?"
Any idiot knows , when at the Airport , do not joke about guns and bombs.
There are even signs in airports clearly stating, "Do not joke about guns or bombs"
It is illegal in an airport to joke about guns and bombs.
The old , yelling fire in a movie theater thing ,, which the courts have always been clear on.
"What if you just want to know what the song's called so you can buy a copy? Are you really saying that a person should have to locate a sheet music store just to find out a song's title? That's not likely to happen."
Why not? That is the craft and trade of the sheet music store. That is the niche they fill in the economic web. Esp, if one needs the song for a professional reason -- like a Music Therapist.
Even if it is only important to you, just as a loving music fan ,, or maybe even because you just can't sleep till you know that song title -- and/or the NAME of the Lyricist Artist too for that matter -- Then , Yes , you seek out a sheet-music store to get your relief.
And then legally buy the Album , SongSheet or BOTH.
"Still can't figure out why lyrics aren't embedded in the mp3s I buy online. It's a SELLING POINT! not a profit source."
Remember in the old days in the lyric sleeve of the vinyl album , under each song lyric; "Lyrics by permission of ... the Lyricist".
The Artist and/or the record company paid the lyric writer for the both for the right to record the song AND to the right print the lyrics with the album.
As well , the record company could choose to save $$ , and not print the lyrics at all --to avoid paying any roylties to the lyricist -- even if it is that recording artist's lyrics that is on that album.
The Music Industry is not made up of all nice people.
Look at for example Kris Kristofferson , who wrote "Me and Bobby McGee."
How many Kris albums do you own? None I bet.
But somewhere in you music library you you got at least one cover of "Bobby McGee". Maybe more.
When Kris cut his own cover , of Bobby McGee,, which was much lower in selling than Janis Joplin's cover , good chance his record company would skimp , and not print the lyrics thus giving royalties to Kris.
Because from the Record Company prospective it like giving Kris and now his fans -- the album's buyers --- Free $$$.
If Kris's fans want the lyrics the record companies say "let them ( the fans) pay for it at the music store".
There is always some trying to shortchange the songwriter.
Today it is for-profit-lyric-websites.
( I am using Kris just as an example here of the many Songwriting Artist that would fit into this catagory.
I do not claim any knowledge of the factual occurance that was between Kris and his record company at the time of Bobby Megee's finacial peak. It is just an academic example )
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: If you've got a song rolling around in your head, but can't come up with its name or the artist, you can't buy it, can you?
"lyric sites are useful because they allow people to find song titles and artists by typing in the lyrics they can remember"
No, Your statment proves the POWER (and usefulness) of the LYRIC to help generate legal sales for the Recording Artist's benifit.
Do it fair . Here the song . Can't get song out of your brain. So go the libary (old days) , OR go to Wiki-whatever (today) ,, using the lyric to find the song title of the song you want to buy.
That well-crafted , can't leave your brain LYRIC , that you keep singing w/o even thinking- the "hook" as it is known in the music industry, that is now the catalyst for your song quest. ( And there is a good chance the Lyricist , IS NOT the recording artist.)
Once you found out what song it is that you want to buy , because "I just can't get out of your head" ,, then please do buy the song legally -- so all involved in its production get their $$$.
And then if you find you need the Lyrics too, for your Karaoke Club -- or your JOB as a Music Theripist -- buy the Lyrics in a legal fashion.
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A Bill of Rights for Songwriters and Composers Created by ASCAP, the American Society of Composers, Authors and Publishers
Created by ASCAP, the American Society of Composers, Authors and Publishers
http://www.ascap.com/rights/
just as citizens of a nation must be educated about their rights to ensure that they are protected and upheld, so too must those who compose words and music know the rights that support their own acts of creation. Without these rights, which directly emanate from the U.S. Constitution, many who dream of focusing their talents and energies on music creation would be economically unable to do so - an outcome that would diminish artistic expression today and for future generations.
At this time, when so many forces are seeking to diminish copyright protections and devalue artistic expression, this Bill of Rights for Songwriters and Composers looks to clarify the entitlements that every music creator enjoys.
We have the right to be compensated for the use of our creative works, and share in the revenues that they generate.
We have the right to license our works and control the ways in which they are used.
We have the right to withhold permission for uses of our works on artistic, economic or philosophical grounds.
We have the right to protect our creative works to the fullest extent of the law from all forms of piracy, theft and unauthorized use, which deprive us of our right to earn a living based on our creativity.
We have the right to choose when and where our creative works may be used for free.
We have the right to develop, document and distribute our works through new media channels - while retaining the right to a share in all associated profits.
We have the right to choose the organizations we want to represent us and to join our voices together to protect our rights and negotiate for the value of our music.
We have the right to earn compensation from all types of "performances," including direct, live renditions as well as indirect recordings, broadcasts, digital streams and more.
We have the right to decline participation in business models that require us to relinquish all or part of our creative rights - or which do not respect our right to be compensated for our work.
We have the right to advocate for strong laws protecting our creative works, and demand that our government vigorously uphold and protect our rights.
Make Your Voice Heard!
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Re: The government and the courts are charged with the duty of guaranteeing such profit in the future, even in the face of changing circumstances. Period.
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Re: Re: Stealing: I used to buy in a store , or hear it " one the radio-oooH" , now I just "steal" it online.
"ON the Radio---oh" {amazing how everyone will know the song, where just those very common 3 words come from. )
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But yet, never mind this aspect of the arts. Let's just blame everyone who "steals" because someone loses the 12 cents from the royalties.
Glad you admit it is stealing.
Online ,like at lyric sites -- as discussed earlier this week @ techdirt -- it is possible for thousands , tens of thousands , even millions of people to "steal" a copyrighted work.
Do the math. At 12 pennies a pop it ads up to real money for the copyright holder.
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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re:
On the post: Brief In Viacom/YouTube Trial Tries To Rewrite The DMCA
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re:
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The entire law was written in the interests of copyright holders, and it's massively one-sided towards them.
On the post: Publishers Still Trying To Squeeze Money Out Of Lyrics Sites
any further disscusion is useless.
Please point me to the site where I can do this. I don't think I've ever seen a site that *sells* lyrics alone"
I replied :
Those who sell the lyrics directly , they are called "music publishers" The ones that print the songbooks we USED to BUY , before free lyric ( and chord ) site , stole their biz.
This biggest and best:
Hal Leonard Online
Welcome to Hal Leonard Online, the internet home for the world's largest music print publisher. For over 60 years, we've been publishing and distributing ...
www.halleonard.com/ -
http://www.techdirt.com/article.php?sid=20100510/0404369357#c2148
IT clear you are writing just to write at this stage , and any further disscusion is useless.
You do not understand how ASCAP & Music Publishing industry functions, and probably never will.
It takes careful reading, you are too busy writing.
I have summed up my posts on my blog for those who wish
read them.
http://technopoliticalscience.blogspot.com/2010/05/artists-do-not-work-for-free.html
bye
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Re: Re: Re: Reason #18 not to buy legit music
Please point me to the site where I can do this. I don't think I've ever seen a site that *sells* lyrics alone"
I replied :
Those who sell the lyrics directly , they are called "music publishers" The ones that print the songbooks we USED to BUY , before free lyric ( and chord ) site , stole their biz.
This biggest and best:
Hal Leonard Online
Welcome to Hal Leonard Online, the internet home for the world's largest music print publisher. For over 60 years, we've been publishing and distributing ...
www.halleonard.com/ -
http://www.techdirt.com/article.php?sid=20100510/0404369357#c2148
IT clear you are writing just to write at this stage , and any further disscusion is useless.
You do not understand how ASCAP & Music Publishing industry functions, and probably never will.
It takes careful reading, you are too busy writing.
I have summed up my posts on my blog for those who wish
read them.
http://technopoliticalscience.blogspot.com/2010/05/artists-do-not-work-for-free.html
bye
On the post: Publishers Still Trying To Squeeze Money Out Of Lyrics Sites
IT clear you are writing just to write at this stage , and any further disscusion is useless.
Please point me to the site where I can do this. I don't think I've ever seen a site that *sells* lyrics alone"
I replied :
Those who sell the lyrics directly , they are called "music publishers" The ones that print the songbooks we USED to BUY , before free lyric ( and chord ) site , stole their biz.
This biggest and best:
Hal Leonard Online
Welcome to Hal Leonard Online, the internet home for the world's largest music print publisher. For over 60 years, we've been publishing and distributing ...
www.halleonard.com/ -
http://www.techdirt.com/article.php?sid=20100510/0404369357#c2148
IT clear you are writing just to write at this stage , and any further disscusion is useless.
You do not understand how ASCAP & Music Publishing industry functions, and probably never will.
It takes careful reading, you are too busy writing.
I have summed up my posts on my blog for those who wish
read them.
http://technopoliticalscience.blogspot.com/2010/05/artists-do-not-work-for-free.html
bye
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Re: Re:
They are trying to kill us. We are trying to kill them.
We are "not technically at war" ?!?!?! We are at war ! Bombs are being dropped. Villages are being leveled. (And almost Times Square too ! )
People are dying. That is WAR !!
Mike ,, get real here.
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Re: One more thought!
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Re: He must be charged
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Re: ReAny idiot knows , when at the Airport , do not joke about guns and bombs.
Any idiot knows , when at the Airport , do not joke about guns and bombs.
There are even signs in airports clearly stating, "Do not joke about guns or bombs"
It is illegal in an airport to joke about guns and bombs.
The old , yelling fire in a movie theater thing ,, which the courts have always been clear on.
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Re: Re: Re:
Yes !!
Because , as stated above : "The police time spent costs both actual money and opportunity to work on other cases.
That's a harm to taxpayers and victims who's complaints are unattended.
People should be punished for such harm, and it doesn't hurt that the need to be civil in [public] communications is coincidentally reinforced."
Right On !!
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Re: If Lyrics are not included = defective product
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Re: Re: But the songwriter is also making money off the website,
http://www.techdirt.com/article.php?sid=20100510/0404369357#c1959
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Re: Re: Re: Re: Artists do not work for Free
Why not? That is the craft and trade of the sheet music store. That is the niche they fill in the economic web. Esp, if one needs the song for a professional reason -- like a Music Therapist.
Even if it is only important to you, just as a loving music fan ,, or maybe even because you just can't sleep till you know that song title -- and/or the NAME of the Lyricist Artist too for that matter -- Then , Yes , you seek out a sheet-music store to get your relief.
And then legally buy the Album , SongSheet or BOTH.
On the post: Publishers Still Trying To Squeeze Money Out Of Lyrics Sites
Re: Reason #18 not to buy legit music
Remember in the old days in the lyric sleeve of the vinyl album , under each song lyric; "Lyrics by permission of ... the Lyricist".
The Artist and/or the record company paid the lyric writer for the both for the right to record the song AND to the right print the lyrics with the album.
As well , the record company could choose to save $$ , and not print the lyrics at all --to avoid paying any roylties to the lyricist -- even if it is that recording artist's lyrics that is on that album.
The Music Industry is not made up of all nice people.
Look at for example Kris Kristofferson , who wrote "Me and Bobby McGee."
How many Kris albums do you own? None I bet.
But somewhere in you music library you you got at least one cover of "Bobby McGee". Maybe more.
When Kris cut his own cover , of Bobby McGee,, which was much lower in selling than Janis Joplin's cover , good chance his record company would skimp , and not print the lyrics thus giving royalties to Kris.
Because from the Record Company prospective it like giving Kris and now his fans -- the album's buyers --- Free $$$.
If Kris's fans want the lyrics the record companies say "let them ( the fans) pay for it at the music store".
There is always some trying to shortchange the songwriter.
Today it is for-profit-lyric-websites.
( I am using Kris just as an example here of the many Songwriting Artist that would fit into this catagory.
I do not claim any knowledge of the factual occurance that was between Kris and his record company at the time of Bobby Megee's finacial peak. It is just an academic example )
On the post: Publishers Still Trying To Squeeze Money Out Of Lyrics Sites
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: If you've got a song rolling around in your head, but can't come up with its name or the artist, you can't buy it, can you?
No, Your statment proves the POWER (and usefulness) of the LYRIC to help generate legal sales for the Recording Artist's benifit.
Do it fair . Here the song . Can't get song out of your brain. So go the libary (old days) , OR go to Wiki-whatever (today) ,, using the lyric to find the song title of the song you want to buy.
That well-crafted , can't leave your brain LYRIC , that you keep singing w/o even thinking- the "hook" as it is known in the music industry, that is now the catalyst for your song quest. ( And there is a good chance the Lyricist , IS NOT the recording artist.)
Once you found out what song it is that you want to buy , because "I just can't get out of your head" ,, then please do buy the song legally -- so all involved in its production get their $$$.
And then if you find you need the Lyrics too, for your Karaoke Club -- or your JOB as a Music Theripist -- buy the Lyrics in a legal fashion.
One that gives the Lyricist a fair cut of $$ , as outlined @
http://www.ascap.com/about/payment/paymentintro.html
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