actually, most of the US injustice system is about punishment not rehab, and its about making money not rehab.
from for profit private prisons to "treatment" programs that treat everybody send for evaluation even if the evaluation says they dont need treatment and arent a threat/perv/ect)
I say this because I have talked it over with a fellow who runs a treatment program for sex offenders in our area, most of the clinics who do this say everybody needs treatment, his dosnt, he is honest.
note: they once did a "Sting" to see how clinics evaluated people and the diagnoses, and despite showing they where NOT following the evaluation guidelines they did nothing to stop it, because, theres money in it for somebody.
the most common test is the "Able test" it is not what it seems, it asks you to rate a bunch of pictures on how sexualy interesting you find them, none are in any way interesting, and your asked to rate 1-10, the 1-10 means nothing, it actually records how long you look at each image, if you look at each for 5 seconds the test is effectively invalid and useless, mind you even if you look at the images deemed appropriate longer then the ones deemed inappropriate most of these clinics still say you need years of treatment.
i learned alot from this fellow, also learned that at minimum 1/3 of the men convicted of these crimes either didnt do it or are no threat to anybody, and its less then 10% who are truly a danger to society, yet the put huge numbers of low to zero risk people on the web as if they are a threat.
its sad but, because theres money in this shit, they dont try and look at the facts but rather try and get convictions via plees that are backed by threats of 7-35year prison terms if you loose in court....
our state removed the statutory rape laws years go because, they where doing more harm then good, and somebody with some political clout had a son who was hit with a statutory case for dating his highschool gf....amazing what happens when somebody with some clout is effected isnt it....
now the technical rule of law is 16yo's can make their own choices but, if shes 15+ they wont do anything even if the parents raise hell...(directly had a cop tell us this when we tried to report a 25yo living with a 15yo on church grounds rental) the mother didnt care,and she was the one renting he house....(she was living with her boyfriend...)
yes I tried to report it as did others same results...
statutory rape laws suck, they cause more harm then good.
I agree this case is wrong and creepy, but, he did his treatment, and theres no proof it was the relationship that was the cause outside mothers word, I think it more likely the fallout of the situation would be the cause if it had anything to do with the case in the first place.
and remember, in alot of the world, the age dif wouldnt matter in this case, the fact he was a teacher would....but in much of the world at 14 she was legal, and at 17 most of the world she was legal as well.
enjoy...and again be sure to not let her leave your state, each state has its own age of concent, an some may be low enough you feel your daughters being "Raped"
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you must not know many adults who are immature and never grow up or learn from their life experiances....where to you live, i would love to move there....because at least 1/3 of the adults I deal with day to day are fucking idiots.
and I know and have known many adults less mature both mentally and emotionally then their own parents.
you cant equate age with wisdom or inelegance with wisdom, some people never grow up, never gain any wisdom.
some people, as a psychology instructor I had like to say, are never ready for a sexual relationship, and some are ready before most people in this country would be comfortable with it.
you cant equate age or intelegance with wisdom because....again some people never learn from life, and others learn from what they have seen others do and dont have to make the same mistakes others have made.
a friend of mine watched how his mother acted and lived her life and learned from it, rather then a string of marriages, he has had 1 thats lasted because he didnt look for "hot" and "money" but somebody he could live with and enjoy being with.
his mother to this day gos from relationship to relationship...and is a total drama queen(shes in her mid to late 60's and still acts like a stereotypical teen.)
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actually this would be considered Ephebophilia not Pedophilia and would thus enbolden at worst Ephebophiles not pedophiles.
Pedophile: 11 and under(or pre-puberty)
Ephebophilia: puberty and up(clear signs such as tits)
look of traci lords, if you find her images from when she was doing porn, your an Ephebophile if you find her attractive(every strait guy i have met does), if you find 6-11 yo's in baithing suits attractive, you are a sock pedo fuck.
and Rikuo: hate to tell you this, if you live to be 100 you will look at decissions you made a year before your death and go "oh fuck, that was a mistake"
you live you learn.
like my buddy who pushed for abstinence only sex education in his local school district....then his daughter got knocked up 3 years later...and when he asked why she didnt use protection....neither of the kids involved knew how to use a condom...since then due to an explosion in teen preganancey they have moved back to proper sex ed and even expanded it to detail std's and such(to scare the kids a bit....once you see herpies sores and shit....ewwww)
again, you live you learn.....
I do agree pedos suck, but, this isnt pedophilia, she was not a "child" in much of the world.(google "age of concent" )
again, it was creepy but it wasnt molestation or rape....
I have seen zero evidence that their relationship in and of itself caused the suicide, they should grieve her death and the fact they didnt get her counseling for her issues.
he plead to statutory rape, that is quite different from molesting a child or forcible rape.
and not all states have these laws, mine dosnt, they removed it years ago because it was leading to far more problems then it was solving.
if you read the back story the girl didnt want her persecuted/prosecuted, for her justice would have been leaving him alone and dropping it, its quite likely if this had anything to do with her death, that it was over how the whole thing was handled rather then over them having creepy sex....
but, there is ZERO info about this other then her mother blaming him.....if she knew her kid was having problems, she should have gotten her help...period.
or, like with clinton, most people would just shake their heads and say "who cares" only the real zelots would give a fuck....
i would bet his wife knew long before the tapes that he was like that, and, if like some women I know, she may not have cared much....
I had a teacher who met MLK and even worked with him back then(old fellow who was a history teacher), said king was like any other man, had his faults and flaws, and never claimed he didnt, but he was also known to be kind and giving, the teacher I had was an athiest and said king knew it and joked about it rather then being like some who hated him for it.
wish he was still alive(the teacher) had I been more mature back then I would have recorded his stories and words about the movement, he wasnt close to king really but, he also was involved with some others way back then who he had stories about, they in the end are the ones who enspired him to become a teacher.
one thing he said alot was king and the rest all hated war, and they all opposed the vietnam war strongly.
from what i read, not in the artical but in related info(google can find the full story) part of why the judge did what he did, was because the girl wanted him to, and to avoid more trama to her he agreed at least partially to her wishes.
she didnt want him persecuted/prosecuted, others did but she didnt.
i dont have the links here, i found them when i was at home, this is as you say, not rape by the definition the OP and most of the posters here are using....
it is creepy old man and young girl....but its not really rape.
well said and if you dig a bit you can find the back story on this, no links here(have them at home i think) but, this was statutory rape not rape rape for lack of a better term.
its still a big....creepy but, he didnt force himself on her, and, as many storys like this show, the girl many times feels very bad the guy got in such trouble and that they are being told they where victims when they dont feel they where.
way I see it, we need a new term for it rather then rape, and we need different punishments.
shows a situation where the same kinda laws where used to persecute and ruin a guys life who was just a few months to old to be dating the girl.....her mother caused the issue because she was in an arguement with her daughter, after she found out what she caused....well she feels horrible(she should)
mind the 2 are married and have like 3 kids now...and hes still trying to get off the sex offender registry...despite everybody knowing hes no threat to anybody.
read the story....and realize there are thousands/tends of thousands/hundreds of thousands of similar cases out there....
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funny, must be magic how more countries dissagree with you then agree with you on this.
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more of the world disagrees with you then agrees with you on 14yo's being able to concent.
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she fakes sexual assult, attacks him, causes brain damage
gets an $80 fine and some community servce.....thats called a pussy pass.
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she got an $80 fine and some community service, he ended up with brain damage.....pussy pass....
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from for profit private prisons to "treatment" programs that treat everybody send for evaluation even if the evaluation says they dont need treatment and arent a threat/perv/ect)
I say this because I have talked it over with a fellow who runs a treatment program for sex offenders in our area, most of the clinics who do this say everybody needs treatment, his dosnt, he is honest.
note: they once did a "Sting" to see how clinics evaluated people and the diagnoses, and despite showing they where NOT following the evaluation guidelines they did nothing to stop it, because, theres money in it for somebody.
the most common test is the "Able test" it is not what it seems, it asks you to rate a bunch of pictures on how sexualy interesting you find them, none are in any way interesting, and your asked to rate 1-10, the 1-10 means nothing, it actually records how long you look at each image, if you look at each for 5 seconds the test is effectively invalid and useless, mind you even if you look at the images deemed appropriate longer then the ones deemed inappropriate most of these clinics still say you need years of treatment.
i learned alot from this fellow, also learned that at minimum 1/3 of the men convicted of these crimes either didnt do it or are no threat to anybody, and its less then 10% who are truly a danger to society, yet the put huge numbers of low to zero risk people on the web as if they are a threat.
its sad but, because theres money in this shit, they dont try and look at the facts but rather try and get convictions via plees that are backed by threats of 7-35year prison terms if you loose in court....
our state removed the statutory rape laws years go because, they where doing more harm then good, and somebody with some political clout had a son who was hit with a statutory case for dating his highschool gf....amazing what happens when somebody with some clout is effected isnt it....
now the technical rule of law is 16yo's can make their own choices but, if shes 15+ they wont do anything even if the parents raise hell...(directly had a cop tell us this when we tried to report a 25yo living with a 15yo on church grounds rental) the mother didnt care,and she was the one renting he house....(she was living with her boyfriend...)
yes I tried to report it as did others same results...
statutory rape laws suck, they cause more harm then good.
I agree this case is wrong and creepy, but, he did his treatment, and theres no proof it was the relationship that was the cause outside mothers word, I think it more likely the fallout of the situation would be the cause if it had anything to do with the case in the first place.
and remember, in alot of the world, the age dif wouldnt matter in this case, the fact he was a teacher would....but in much of the world at 14 she was legal, and at 17 most of the world she was legal as well.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Age_of_Consent_-_Global.svg
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i suggest you stay within the US as more of the world has 13-14yo age of consent then have ages you would feel comfortable with.
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enjoy...and again be sure to not let her leave your state, each state has its own age of concent, an some may be low enough you feel your daughters being "Raped"
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you cant equate age with wisdom or inelegance with wisdom, some people never grow up, never gain any wisdom.
some people, as a psychology instructor I had like to say, are never ready for a sexual relationship, and some are ready before most people in this country would be comfortable with it.
you cant equate age or intelegance with wisdom because....again some people never learn from life, and others learn from what they have seen others do and dont have to make the same mistakes others have made.
a friend of mine watched how his mother acted and lived her life and learned from it, rather then a string of marriages, he has had 1 thats lasted because he didnt look for "hot" and "money" but somebody he could live with and enjoy being with.
his mother to this day gos from relationship to relationship...and is a total drama queen(shes in her mid to late 60's and still acts like a stereotypical teen.)
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Pedophile: 11 and under(or pre-puberty)
Ephebophilia: puberty and up(clear signs such as tits)
look of traci lords, if you find her images from when she was doing porn, your an Ephebophile if you find her attractive(every strait guy i have met does), if you find 6-11 yo's in baithing suits attractive, you are a sock pedo fuck.
and Rikuo: hate to tell you this, if you live to be 100 you will look at decissions you made a year before your death and go "oh fuck, that was a mistake"
you live you learn.
like my buddy who pushed for abstinence only sex education in his local school district....then his daughter got knocked up 3 years later...and when he asked why she didnt use protection....neither of the kids involved knew how to use a condom...since then due to an explosion in teen preganancey they have moved back to proper sex ed and even expanded it to detail std's and such(to scare the kids a bit....once you see herpies sores and shit....ewwww)
again, you live you learn.....
I do agree pedos suck, but, this isnt pedophilia, she was not a "child" in much of the world.(google "age of concent" )
again, it was creepy but it wasnt molestation or rape....
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he plead to statutory rape, that is quite different from molesting a child or forcible rape.
and not all states have these laws, mine dosnt, they removed it years ago because it was leading to far more problems then it was solving.
if you read the back story the girl didnt want her persecuted/prosecuted, for her justice would have been leaving him alone and dropping it, its quite likely if this had anything to do with her death, that it was over how the whole thing was handled rather then over them having creepy sex....
but, there is ZERO info about this other then her mother blaming him.....if she knew her kid was having problems, she should have gotten her help...period.
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i would bet his wife knew long before the tapes that he was like that, and, if like some women I know, she may not have cared much....
I had a teacher who met MLK and even worked with him back then(old fellow who was a history teacher), said king was like any other man, had his faults and flaws, and never claimed he didnt, but he was also known to be kind and giving, the teacher I had was an athiest and said king knew it and joked about it rather then being like some who hated him for it.
wish he was still alive(the teacher) had I been more mature back then I would have recorded his stories and words about the movement, he wasnt close to king really but, he also was involved with some others way back then who he had stories about, they in the end are the ones who enspired him to become a teacher.
one thing he said alot was king and the rest all hated war, and they all opposed the vietnam war strongly.
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she didnt want him persecuted/prosecuted, others did but she didnt.
i dont have the links here, i found them when i was at home, this is as you say, not rape by the definition the OP and most of the posters here are using....
it is creepy old man and young girl....but its not really rape.
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if it was a male....book would be thrown...
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its still a big....creepy but, he didnt force himself on her, and, as many storys like this show, the girl many times feels very bad the guy got in such trouble and that they are being told they where victims when they dont feel they where.
way I see it, we need a new term for it rather then rape, and we need different punishments.
recent story http://www.marieclaire.com/world-reports/news/teen-sex-offender
shows a situation where the same kinda laws where used to persecute and ruin a guys life who was just a few months to old to be dating the girl.....her mother caused the issue because she was in an arguement with her daughter, after she found out what she caused....well she feels horrible(she should)
mind the 2 are married and have like 3 kids now...and hes still trying to get off the sex offender registry...despite everybody knowing hes no threat to anybody.
read the story....and realize there are thousands/tends of thousands/hundreds of thousands of similar cases out there....
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