He could be a troll. But then again, I think your average person hold thousands of incompatible opinions and philosophies in his head at any given moment without stopping to examine them.
As evidence, witness the Tea Party and their "Keep big government out of my Medicare and Social Security!" nonsense.
Re: failing to complete the security process; violation code 7.01
It's a Catch 22 situation. They can't legally hold you unless you decline to be held.
Much like is the police said "You have to right to not have your house searched without probable cause, but if you decline to let us search your house, we'll take that as probable cause and do it anyway."
So you think checking every 10th person "ensures security"?
I can't wait for the next story about another failed terrorist attack where the guy was tackled while trying to light the explosives hidden in his ass. Then we'll have people like you back here in the comment section saying "If you want to be safe while flying, bend over and get anally probed like a man!"
People in authority (police, politicians, TSA, etc.) absolutely hate being made fools of, and they love to arrest people for filming them, even if the law itself is not on their side, or doesn't even exist.
Asking you for a link to backup something you yourself asserted is not failing to "do my homework". It's a big internet out there, and if you're going to start lobbing bombs you should really have something to back you up.
Also, I notice that the case you cite has already been demolished by Mike in this very comment section. So . . . anything else you'd like to pull out of your ass?
He didn't say it was. (Reading is overrated, I know.)
The supreme court already ruled on this 25 years ago, when it refused to allow a bookstore to “use the First Amendment as a cloak for obviously unlawful” activity.
First, copying is not stealing. But we'll ignore that mistake for now. The bigger question is, what laws are you citing?
Here's the federal law on receiving stolen property:
"Whoever receives, possesses, conceals, stores, barters, sells, or disposes of any goods, wares, or merchandise, securities, or money of the value of $5,000 or more, [...] which have crossed a State or United States boundary after being stolen, unlawfully converted, or taken, knowing the same to have been stolen"
Here's California's law:
"In California, receiving stolen property is prohibited under Penal Code 496 PC. This section makes it a crime to buy, sell, receive, conceal, or withhold property which you know to be stolen."
Here's Florida's:
"(1) Any person who traffics in, or endeavors to traffic in, property that he or she knows or should know was stolen"
So where are you pulling your "regardless of your knowledge of it or not" statement from? Your ass?
Perhaps not freely available for the first person to get their hands on them, but once the emails started flying around with "Study Guide!" plastered on them, you can hardly fault the other students for the same breach.
That would be like me illegally downloading a song, then emailing it around to my friends with the message "check out this new song I recorded!". Are they guilty of a copyright violation too, even though they were unaware of my charade?
How many is "many"? Remember that allegedly, 200 people were caught "cheating", so "many" ought to be a lot more than "two or three" if you're going to make a blanket statement like:
It's cheating. The fact that so many people are defending such cheating is quite sad.
(1) That the "study guide" in the email they received was the official question bank for the test, and
(2) The official question bank was what the professor was drawing on for the test questions.
Then I can agree that the student in question is a cheater.
Now, are you going to make that claim that all the students who used the test banks question were aware of the above two facts?
1. He told his students that he wrote the questions himself.
2. The students decided to use the official test bank as a study guide (why not? He said he writes his test questions himself, so the unused, official test bank would be a great study guide!).
3. Now he's accusing those students of cheating. How were they to know the professor was lying?
If you think it's cheating, at least explain why. If a professor took his test questions directly out of the text book, is anyone who reads the text book a cheater? Why/why not?
Re: "even if you think the students did wrong here, the Professor was equally negligent" Really Mike, in 'mikeworld' that might be the case..
Its quite simple Mike, You ARE cheating if you look up the answers, you are not cheating if you are looking up the questions.
There is nothing inherently wrong with using question/answer combinations to study (otherwise, how would you know if you got the answer right?). The only ethical violation occurs when you know that those exact question/answer pairs are going to be used for the test.
So tell me, how many students in the story (who allegedly received these question/answer pairs in an email entitled "Study Guide"), knew that the exact same questions would be on the test? How would they even suspect? The teacher in question said flat out that he created his own tests questions. If I were a student in that class, it wouldn't cross my mind that the professor was lying and that I shouldn't use a study guide that someone sent to me.
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Might have been a temporary hiccup.
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Approximately the same number that support Republicans, and there is a lot of overlap between the two groups, might I add.
Both parties are corporatist to their cores, despite the "Not us!" mentality of Democrats.
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As evidence, witness the Tea Party and their "Keep big government out of my Medicare and Social Security!" nonsense.
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Re: failing to complete the security process; violation code 7.01
Much like is the police said "You have to right to not have your house searched without probable cause, but if you decline to let us search your house, we'll take that as probable cause and do it anyway."
Rights are fun!
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Re: Over-reaction?
I can't wait for the next story about another failed terrorist attack where the guy was tackled while trying to light the explosives hidden in his ass. Then we'll have people like you back here in the comment section saying "If you want to be safe while flying, bend over and get anally probed like a man!"
And yes, there is a better way: profiling.
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The Worst Part . . .
People in authority (police, politicians, TSA, etc.) absolutely hate being made fools of, and they love to arrest people for filming them, even if the law itself is not on their side, or doesn't even exist.
Disgusting.
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Also, I notice that the case you cite has already been demolished by Mike in this very comment section. So . . . anything else you'd like to pull out of your ass?
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He didn't say it was. (Reading is overrated, I know.)
The supreme court already ruled on this 25 years ago, when it refused to allow a bookstore to “use the First Amendment as a cloak for obviously unlawful” activity.
Got a link? I'd like to read it for myself.
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Here's the federal law on receiving stolen property:
"Whoever receives, possesses, conceals, stores, barters, sells, or disposes of any goods, wares, or merchandise, securities, or money of the value of $5,000 or more, [...] which have crossed a State or United States boundary after being stolen, unlawfully converted, or taken, knowing the same to have been stolen"
Here's California's law:
"In California, receiving stolen property is prohibited under Penal Code 496 PC. This section makes it a crime to buy, sell, receive, conceal, or withhold property which you know to be stolen."
Here's Florida's:
"(1) Any person who traffics in, or endeavors to traffic in, property that he or she knows or should know was stolen"
So where are you pulling your "regardless of your knowledge of it or not" statement from? Your ass?
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That would be like me illegally downloading a song, then emailing it around to my friends with the message "check out this new song I recorded!". Are they guilty of a copyright violation too, even though they were unaware of my charade?
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Oh, I didn't know this was our standard of proof now.
Well, I "have trouble believing" that it was anything more than a tiny percentage of students bragging. Therefore most were not cheating. Q.E.D.
Do students now ask zero questions over material given to them claiming to be a list of information relevant to an important exam?
Why would they? Now you're just grasping for something to slam them with since your original blanket statement has been shown to be shortsighted.
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[Citation Needed]
How many is "many"? Remember that allegedly, 200 people were caught "cheating", so "many" ought to be a lot more than "two or three" if you're going to make a blanket statement like:
It's cheating. The fact that so many people are defending such cheating is quite sad.
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(1) That the "study guide" in the email they received was the official question bank for the test, and
(2) The official question bank was what the professor was drawing on for the test questions.
Then I can agree that the student in question is a cheater.
Now, are you going to make that claim that all the students who used the test banks question were aware of the above two facts?
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2. The students decided to use the official test bank as a study guide (why not? He said he writes his test questions himself, so the unused, official test bank would be a great study guide!).
3. Now he's accusing those students of cheating. How were they to know the professor was lying?
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NUH UH! (See? No reasoned debate required.)
If you think it's cheating, at least explain why. If a professor took his test questions directly out of the text book, is anyone who reads the text book a cheater? Why/why not?
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Re: "even if you think the students did wrong here, the Professor was equally negligent" Really Mike, in 'mikeworld' that might be the case..
There is nothing inherently wrong with using question/answer combinations to study (otherwise, how would you know if you got the answer right?). The only ethical violation occurs when you know that those exact question/answer pairs are going to be used for the test.
So tell me, how many students in the story (who allegedly received these question/answer pairs in an email entitled "Study Guide"), knew that the exact same questions would be on the test? How would they even suspect? The teacher in question said flat out that he created his own tests questions. If I were a student in that class, it wouldn't cross my mind that the professor was lying and that I shouldn't use a study guide that someone sent to me.
You're a terrible troll, as always.
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