Newspapers Say: Shut Up And Get Scanned And Groped
from the myth-of-security dept
Matt Welch has a nice post over at Reason, highlighting numerous editorials from some big time newspapers mocking people who are concerned about the TSA's naked scans and/or groping procedures, beginning with the LA Times' perfectly obnoxious shut up and be scanned. Most of the editorials take on the typical apologists' line that "this is what we need to do to be secure." This can be summarized by the claim in the Spokesman-Review, entitled "Discomfort a small price for security on airplanes."Note the implicit assumption: that being scanned or groped somehow makes the planes safer. The problem here is that no one has presented any evidence to back this up. Instead, TSA head John Pistole says "trust us." Yet, when people ask for evidence, they're told it's a state secret. This country (last we checked) has a 4th Amendment against unreasonable search and seizure, which tends to have a high bar on what is a reasonable search. "Trust us" without any proof doesn't cut it. No one is arguing that we should make planes less secure, as these editorials suggest. We're arguing that security theater without evidence that it does anything valuable does not help anyone.
Similarly, random appeals that we should be scanned and groped for patriotic purposes, rings hollow as well. The Baltimore Sun mocks those who are protesting the procedures by calling those people "short-sighted" and arguing:
Whatever happened to the notion that we need to stick together to overcome extremists? U.S. soldiers are still dying for that cause in Iraq and Afghanistan on a regular basis. Under the circumstances, it seems a small sacrifice for the citizens back home to keep a stiff upper lip and voluntarily agree to measures that experts believe are needed -- at least until better technology and security techniques are developed.Similarly, the Springfield Republican claims that this is just the cost of war, like rationing food during World War II:
For nearly 10 years the U.S. and its allies have been fighting and dying in Afghanistan to defeat the terrorists. But Americans at home haven't been asked to forego an ounce of sugar in this fight. Let's consider these searches the 21st-century equivalent of a WWII rationing card.Without even getting into the reasons why the US has soldiers fighting and dying in Iraq and Afghanistan, it's incredibly deceitful and disingenuous to claim that because we're fighting a war, we should automatically give up on the basic 4th Amendment principles in the Constitution. Does this mean if we weren't fighting over there we could keep our Constitution as is? And if it's okay to obliterate the 4th Amendment without providing any evidence (beyond "trust us") that it actually helps, why stop with the 4th Amendment? Why not toss out the First. Our soldiers are dying, so the government should ban free speech. After all, speaking up might encourage terrorism.
Blind subservience based on vague "trust us" claims, that don't seem to have much basis in reality, is hardly a reason to give up basic freedoms.
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Idiot reporters
It is not patriotic to shut up and take it. It is our civic duty to tell these people to go fuck themselves. That is patriotic.
Who did the TSA threaten/pay to get these reporters to write this? Usually they're all over scandals.
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Profile already
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Rename
"Its not a grope, its a Freedom Pat."
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You really want to see heads explode?
I'm pro-RKBA, by the way, so I would argue against that. It's amazing how many people don't respect the WHOLE Constitution. They only want the parts they like...
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Approximately the same number that support Republicans, and there is a lot of overlap between the two groups, might I add.
Both parties are corporatist to their cores, despite the "Not us!" mentality of Democrats.
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Health insurers are the big exception, obviously.
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Are you sure? The individual mandate, for example, makes it an offense to not do business with them. What business doesn't want that?
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I'd say they've been doing pretty well so far.
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They don't have to now.
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How often *DO* TSA change their gloves?
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And the newspapers wonder why their readership declines...
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- Edward R. Murrow
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Obligatory.
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safer????
woops, what's this ... airport security...guess i'll just go home...
nope..he's ready to go...
just joins the biggest crowd and pulls the trigger...
now tell me how this makes my 87 year old grandmother ,who is being groped ,and the 300+ folks around Aachmed any safer????
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You didn't know? Crinkly old nipples are an effective defense to explosions....
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Oh, come on, you know she wants it. She hasn't been groped in years. She should be thankful.
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Soliders dying...
If they are not dying to protect the Constitution and Freedom, then they are dying for the wrong reasons.
And if we can't protect our freedoms, including the rights granted to us in the Constitution, then nothing the soldiers have done, are doing or will do make a bit of difference.... because we have already lost.
"Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety. "
-Benjamin Franklin
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Profit, not liberty, apparently motivates our military commanders.
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And largely started and/or influenced by the banking conglomerates that own them...
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Heh, how many enlisted do you think would have signed up if it were not for the pay and benefits? It's funny that they call then "volunteers" when most only sign up for what they can get out of it for themselves.
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The "volunteer" part is for voluntarily signing your rights away and putting your fate in the hands of Uncle Sam. If you don't like it, feel free to petition your congressman to bring back conscription (the draft).
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Oh, I see, kind of like how I "voluntarily" give up my right to do other things when I go to work every day. Hey, I'm a "volunteer" too and just didn't know it! I guess we're mostly all ""volunteers" then. I feel so much better about myself now knowing that I'm spending all that time "volunteering". What a wonderful person I am!
If I don't like what "it"? How about this: if you don't like "it", I suggest you petition your Congressman to bring back slavery instead of wage-earning "volunteers".
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*Due to legal safety constraints, some people can't just walk off at any time, but must wait until relieved (end of shift) to avoid lawsuit and possible prosecution for negligence. Although if they are not concerned about the safety of others and/or possible prosecution...
Some people are unable to see it that way as they think that without that specific paycheck (or amount of pay) they cannot live. This is not entirely true. You could choose to give up some or even a lot of luxury for another job that may pay less or even to become a hermit or homeless and live off the land and/or handouts.
Having served in the military I did waive (voluntarily, I was not forced to enlist) certain rights during my time in service. And as stated above it was less about patriotism, and more about the job, pay, benefits, training and opportunity the military provided to a kid fresh out of high school who had (by ignorant choice) squandered his chance to go to college for free and who chose NOT to become a gas station attendant. Actually I wanted to attend the academy, but I squandered that away along with 'regular' college.
The military is one job you cannot just walk off of even at the end of a shift. You will perform or you will pay the penalty (up to the possibility of execution in very rare but possible circumstances). Along with other rights you give up during your time of service (eg gov't employment).
And quite frankly given the current state of the economy, there is no need for conscription because the military is flush with *volunteers* who like the steady paycheck, training, great benefits and opportunity as opposed to sitting around the house unemployed or pumping gas for minimum wage at the local corner store.
Right now the military is so flush with recruits that you must have a high school diploma and be fairly darn physically fit and pass certain basic academic tests or they will not take you. They can afford to be choosy.
And for the record *I* don't need you to work for my life to be fine so your slavery suggestion does not serve my needs or desires. So what's left to petition? I will continue to voluntarily work for my paycheck and you can slave away for yours if it so suits your fancy.
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Umm, he didn't say that at all. Actually, what he said was that he was a volunteer.
Actually you are volunteering.
Umm, yes. That's what he said. Did you read the comment you're replying to at all?
Within the US, we are all volunteers to our jobs in that we are free to walk off the job at (almost*) any time.
Well, actually, some people are under contract for a certain period of time. Kind of like people in the military, no?
You could choose to give up some or even a lot of luxury for another job that may pay less or even to become a hermit or homeless and live off the land and/or handouts.
It's always funny when someone suggests that poor people could just "live off the land", as if most of them are owners of enough land to live off. Someone needs a reality check.
And for the record *I* don't need you to work for my life to be fine so your slavery suggestion does not serve my needs or desires.
Nor do we need suggestions to bring back the draft.
I will continue to voluntarily work for my paycheck and you can slave away for yours if it so suits your fancy.
Again, you need to actually read the comment. He clearly stated that he's a volunteer.
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On a global scale, they're actually conservative.
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tsa
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On second thought, don't tell me, I think I'd rather not know.
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-a fabric with a soft, silky pile, used for warmth, as for lining garments.
Now, admittedly, I do not know if the TSA uniforms are made of a soft, silky pile, but I guess they do provide some warmth.
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Hell, getting rid of the constitution all together would make us more secure.
Americans are spoiled, we want our freedoms but we dont want to pay the price, the price of freedom is risk...it always has been, from day one, someone is free enough to shoot you with a gun, but we like our gun rights.
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TSA: You're Guilty until proven Innocent
That's scary when it OK for an innocent person should feel like a criminal. Seems that due process is thrown out at the airport where one is GUILTY until proven innocent.
Might as well make that the national motto since that is how the TSA, RIAA and MPA behave toward us and the Government seems to be going along with it (as long as the "officals" get to skip them).
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That's already been proposed by the Houston Chief of Police.
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Reporters: shut up and reveal your sources
also, forget the 1st amendment. all these papers fighting for their rights, it makes me sick.
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I have to stop reading TechDirt
Demoralize the enemy from within by surprise, terror, sabotage, assassination. This is the war of the future.
I use emotion for the many and reserve reason for the few.
The broad masses of a population are more amenable to the appeal of rhetoric than to any other force.
Lemmings.
It saddens me to see what we are letting happen to our once great Republic.
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Exactly!
Mike, I know I'm the resident conspiracy theorist around these parts, but if you don't believe that's EXACTLY where this is all going, then I think you've got your head in the sand. It's called a feature creep and it's been used to deteriorate freedom into tyranny throughout history....
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Hey! hey! HEY!!!!!!! Are you sure DH? I was shooting for that title. LOL. Dont worry, there is enough tin foil to go around.
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Oh, and contrails are really, REALLY a stupid theory....
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And to one up you DH. The term is Chemtrails.
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Actual facts.
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The plane in question is a DC-10. Reference photos [1][2] clearly show what the video describes as "nozzles" are actually flap track fairings.
Here is some information on the design and purpose of flap track fairings.
Here's a video of a perfectly innocuous Airbus A380 contrail, also shot from the cockpit of another plane. Note the similarities.
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This is great!
"TSA: Testicle Squeezing Authority"
HAW HAW HAW HAW!!!
Btw; quick summation of the comments leads me to believe the readers are overwhelmingly against this particular editorial, rare for a big city editorial column. In my opinion.
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That's because security isn't the real concern. The real objective is conditioning people to be obedient and unquestioning of authority.
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TSA Crap
None of this made a damn bit of difference to the moron that flies a couple times a year because the impact on them was minimal. Who care if that one family vacation a year required them to tolerate this, it was only once a year.
BUT FINALLY the TSA gets to the tipping point that affected grandma in a way that was not tollerable...
Pretty sad really, at every step of the way it was mostly the business travelers that were affected by these so-called safety laws... BUT it was NEVER the business travelers that were calling for the skies to be safer... 99% of the crying come from those that rarely ever set foot on a plane, all they wanted was to grandstand and bully people around.
Hell for this simple fact alone I am all for the groping, hell I think that anyone that has flown less than 1 time in the past 3 months should be REQUIRED to be groped and not allowed to go through the scanners. The only people that should be allowed to bypass the groping via the scanners should be the ones that have demonstrated that they have flown recently without disrupting flights.
Maybe just once impacting the morons crying for safety will result in those of us that need to travel frequently not being harrassed.
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People who seldom fly are morons? Seems like the smarter choice these days.
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Were not sacrificing anything?
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I'm done with flying until TSA gets put back into perspective.
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Proof?
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Problem is; we don't feel more safe. All this effort and money spent for all this airport security crap and its resulted in YOU feeling safe. Sorry, not good enough. At least for me and a few million others.
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Also, we need to face the downstream facts that in America, if you want to touch people as a living, you need years of training and to get something called a "Medical Doctor" or at minimum a "Nursing" degree. This training also puts people at ease by ensuring that such MDs and Nurses have the best interest of the person at heart.
By empowering agents with the ability to inspect a body without this training is asking for societal change resulting from what can be perceived as acceptable for people in power; especially in young kids. If something like this continues, we threaten to raise a generation of kids who believe search and seizure to be acceptable and usurp parental control.
As a sidenote, I expect after the New Year to see an increase of incidents of kids who decide to emulate TSA security procedures on the school playground.
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Israelis didn't have a 9/11 their airports are one of the most secure in the world because they are a target of daily threats and they don't use those machines, are they more capable then Americans?
On scanners, the backscattering one produce images that are crystal clear you may be confusing the images with the T-Ray version, more the images are stored despite claims to the contrary, further at least one German physicists proved on live TV you can fool the machine and board a plane with all you need to take it down, this followed by the statement of a security specialist from Israel that said the same thing(those machines don't work and are a waste of money and time).
Now explain how that helps.
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I love how you state that the more complex TSA procedures are, the more likely it will fail. Excellent point.
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But by putting more layers to security, it makes it more difficult to beat the systems.
Defense-in-depth only works if the layers are individually effective AND complement each other. Adding more useless layers does nothing. And adding layers that don't mesh together results in a net decrease in security. So it's not as simple as "just add more layers". They have to be the right layers, individually crafted and then fitted together carefully. Clearly that's not what we have here: we have an improvised hodge-podge.
More complex scheme is needed to be devised.
No, not really. Any terrorist worth the label could kill more people than 9/11 and shut down all air travel in the US for a month with a budget of less than half a million. It's not that difficult. But why should they bother, just now? We're busy crippling ourselves. "Never interrupt your enemy when he is making a mistake" -- Napoleon
And as all scientists know, the more complex the plan/scheme, the more chance it is going to fail.
Well, now THAT you have right, although clearly not in the sense you intended. The best security schemes are simple. Simplicity has the desirable property of making it easier to evaluate their effectiveness, whereas complexity has the undesirable property of making evaluation a "best-guess" effort.
It's not like, the scanner will produce naked picture of you.
This sentence is missing the word "yet". It should be blindingly obvious to everyone that the scanner manufacturers are not going to be content with just selling these scanners to every airport. Nope. They'll come out with New Improved ones in a year or two and then mount a lobbying effort to convince airports that they need them. This lobbying effort will be backed by ex-DHS shills just like the current one and it'll work.
With the full body scan, there is no chance someone might board the plane with a bomb strap to his/her waist.
You've seen too many movies. Why would anyone bother trying that? Much easier to smuggle the ingredients on 3 ounces at a time right in front of security.
I recommend that you go buy ALL of Schneier's books and read them, as a remedial introduction to the topic of security. Then try thinking like a terrorist instead of just recycling the BS from the TSA's professional spokesliars.
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Yeah, what we need is a law making it legal to just kill anyone you suspect of being a terrorist. That should be OK because they don't deserve any rights to due process or anything like that. It's the only way.
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I assume by "layers" you mean these naked scanners?
You say this even though you know that Michael Chertoff, our man in the whitehouse in-charge of all this TSA stuff has investor interest in the company that makes the Rapiscan machines, yes? And you should know this because I've mentioned it before and posted links to the stories about it, right?
And this makes you feel safe? Or ripped off (again) by our own leaders.
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How many others read "I am a sheeple. I follow whatever I am told and believe all with no proof or reason presented."
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Yes, goofball, that's what we're asking for: death, destruction and mayhem. Well, that, or maybe a peek at some of the dangerous things these procedures have supposedly kept off of planes, or the name of some dangerous person supposedly detained. But yeah, we want death and destruction....
"Security is better to err on the side of more caution."
To bring that to its logical conclusion, close the airports....
"You may feel that your right is violated, but, really, don't you want to feel more safe?"
Nope, not at the exclusion of my rights.
"than die by a terrorist attack because some people think it inconvenient them or it violate them?"
Here's the thing, Sparky. My family is FILLED with veterans, a select few of which gave their lives under the notion that they were doing so to protect my rights and freedoms and way of American life. So, if I were to give up those freedoms, blindly listen to authority and not oppose it through any legal means available, then I would be doing a disservice to the service of the soldiers in my family, and all the rest that served as well.
Here's the question: why do you not consider the deaths of American soldiers important enough to stick up for the rights they helped protect?
"Like I stated before in a response to a similar article, if 9/11 just happened yesterday, people won't be complaining like they do now."
Well, SOME people complained even right after 9/11, but that's besides the point. Decisions made out of fear are bad decisions. It's interesting you want us to proceed in the same manner as directly after one of the most horrific things the American public has ever had to collectively endure. Why would you want to do that? Seems kinda dumb....
"People's memory is short, and they forget that it take the loss of some right to make security more effective."
No, it damn well does NOT. You can have effective security w/o taking away constitutional rights. What you CAN'T do is sell million dollar scanning equipment that is so useless that I'm surprised it wasn't made by Dell....
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you are going to trot out those arguments, again?
"it take the lose of some right to make security more effective"
This is a terrifying and monstrously foolish statement.
People wouldn't be complaining is 9/11 had been yesterday? of course not. When people are scared and shocked they might agree to anything. Thankfully we have few documents.. Constitutions, Bill of Rights, etc, that are supposed to be above and beyond such knee-jerk corruption
And now we have government agencies and agents, claiming that questioning them is unpatriotic, no matter what they do to shred those foundations of our country. Violating their oaths in the name of power and worse, through gross incompetence.
it gets said, but it seems you do not listen.
"They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety."
or in another way
"Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety"
you are eagerly letting someone strip away your rights, by law and by custom, because they are claiming it is in your interest.
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I would die for America any day of the week, but I'm not dying for the TSA or "more security" that takes away the identity of the country I love.
If I wanted to live in China I would have moved there.
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Even if that were true (which I think it's not), what we're seeing now is based on the converse: taking away people's rights will make security more effective. This is an obvious sham to anyone who stops to think about it.
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Having been all over the world in recent years, I can honestly say America is a joke compared to other countries. Those of you buying the whole need to give up rights to be safe really deserve to be slaves. I've often wondered how whole tribes in Africa got taken as slaves, now I think I have an understanding.
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Logic problem
BTW @Big Al - If Achmed walks into a screening line with an underwear bomb he would be lucky to kill 20 people. The people around him shield those standing further away. If he takes down a plane by blowing a hole in the side of the plane 300 to 400 people could easily be killed.
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I give my life for that.
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Neat, huh?!
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Absolutely no worry to land the plane; If the pilot is concentrated on flying, he might not even notice.
It doesn't really effect the passengers either. The de-pressurization means they need oxygen masks in order to still get enough oxygen, but that's it.
Anything you're thinking of is probably a fake dramatization thought up by hollywood, but if you have any real examples, I'd be obliged if you could link.
(And actually, the more holes there are, the easier it is to keep the plane aloft; it increases lift without significantly increasing drag. Even where it would seem negative, the loss in mass exactly or more than cancels that out . You can actually make a paper airplane made of holes to demonstrate the basic concept for yourself; make a small loop and a larger loop from, say, drinking straws, and connect them with a straw at the bottom. It performs better than most paper airplanes despite its larger mass)
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Isn't that good enough? I mean, even the DHS has brought Hollywood scriptwriters in to dream up new "threats". Good enough for the government, good enough for the rest of us.
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They're kinda pointless, but not many people will argue against wasting money, and besides, they stop the bad terrorists from being effective. Like your front door lock is easily unlocked with a bump key, but will stop most thieves. It causes only a little inconvenience. Worst comes to worst, they confiscate a belt buckle or something and still let you fly.
Body scanners . . . well, it's like taking a naked picture of you. And if you refuse that, people feel up your junk.
And it still does nothing to help security.
I wonder why it's so much more a concern for people?
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What's old is new again- Similarities between Healthcare & TSA debates
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6xlpcDnr7eM
"...[Sicko] did not have the impact that it might have had it not been for the smear campaign and the efforts to discredit both Moore and the content of the movie." -- Wendell Potter, former Cigna PR Executive turned industry whistle-blower.
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Backscattered but still had a pat-down
I see a big problem not only with the radiation and "enhanced" techniques but with the loss of control of my ID. Since when is it OK to not at least carry a borading pass and passport on your person at all times? Does a piece of paper cause a image problem on these machines?
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We need to protect the politicians
I vote for a new law that requires these nude scanners and enhanced pat downs at all federal buildings in Washington DC. Every congressman, senator, aide, lobbyist, and visitor should be scanned and groped to protect our wonderful representatives.
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http://dresdencodak.com/2010/06/10/dark-science-02/
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Many Americans look to the constitution to give them protection from oppressive government. Yet give them an oppressive government and they fold under the weight of lies and misinformation.
Why are these security measures needed now, 9 years after 9/11? Why weren't these invasive security measures implemented after the 1985 TWA 847 hijacking, the 1986 Pan Am 73 hijacking or even after the 1988 explosion on Pan Am 103?
These security measures are designed to scare people and get them used to invasive security check points. Give these measures a year or two to settle in and they will be expanded to all forms of transport. The way is now paved to allow for security check points on all street corners.
Stand up for your constitutional rights before it is too late. Say something now before you are gagged for good. The suppression manual says that limiting travel is the first step towards a subservient populace.
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So this makes us safer?
Is there ANY way we can test this?
Well, first of all, the assumption is that there exists a threat from someone. Obviously, we are safer if bombings are being prevented. So compare the U.S. to any place in the world where bombings ARE being attempted, and you will find that security check points DO stop the bombings, but at the cost of becoming bombing targets themselves!
Search for "Suicide Bombing security checkpoint" and look at the *hundreds* of bombings, killing hundreds upon hundreds of people. Where security checkpoints are *really* needed, security checkpoints themselves become targets themselves. I cannot find anywhere in the world where bombings are actively attempted where security checkpoints are not themselves targets of bombings.
Have we had any bombings at Airport security check points? No we have not. We have not had the bombings because there are few if any attempts to bomb airplanes in the U.S. currently. And the TSA knows this to be true. If it were not true, then surely they would take into account the threat to security check points themselves, and do things harden the check points themselves against bombings.
How would this be done? To be honest, there are many obvious ways to address the risk of bombings where people have not yet gone through any security layer. The most obvious is to keep the density of people as low as possible outside of the security checkpoint. Making people stand in dense groups by winding the line against themselves will maximize casualties in the event of a bombing.
In as much as even the simplest preventive measures have been taken to avoid casualties at security checkpoints, one can only assume one of several possibilities are true:
1) The TSA knows there is little legitimate threat of bombing within the USA, or
2) The main decisions being made about security and how security will be performed at checkpoints is driven by considerations other than the actual risks to the airlines and their customers (i.e. corporate interests selling security services, or political goals and considerations), or
3) The people running the TSA do not have a clue and institute procedures randomly in response to unusual, public, and largely unsuccessful events while ignoring the every day experience of people actually dealing with terrorists.
Honestly, I believe the truth is some mix of all three.
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Just as I thought
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My employer requires me to fly.
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Its time to break up the media monopolies. Also time to end Homeland Security and the TSA. I have always hated that name. Just too Teutonic.
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What if...
"Note the implicit assumption: that being scanned or groped somehow makes the planes safer. The problem here is that no one has presented any evidence to back this up. Instead, TSA head John Pistole says "trust us." Yet, when people ask for evidence, they're told it's a state secret."
I know very little about airport security, but I dare say that the Israelis know a lot - more than most. And when the former head of security at Ben Gurion Airport (Rafi Ron) suggests that scanners and pat downs are not very effective, perhaps someone should listen.
A few years ago a comedy team here in Australia did an excellent job of poking a massive hole in the security measures for the APEC conference (which was being attended by George W. Bush). It seems to me that one way to destroy the TSA's credibility (or at least call it into question), is to stage a very public demonstration of how ineffective these types of screening procedures are. I imagine one could get in a lot of trouble, but it would sure make Mr Pistole's statement of "trust us" ring a little hollow.
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Its just plain stupid
How am I more secure by using that method? Should police randomly arrest 2% of the population and ask if they are planning to murder someone and hope someone confesses?
Since 9/11, I would like to say just the Bush administration, but now its the Obama administration ( big change ), has been using "National Security" as the catch all for "I know I shouldn't do this but if I tell you why then you will know it's illegal".
Personally Im sick of all the national security that involves things like banning online gambling and telling the telcos to give the NSA access to everything. Im sick of the hearing the word lobbying, which means bribery. If copyright infringement is "theft" then its about time the RIAA and MPAA stop "bribing" congress. (sorry about the separate rant but it had to be said somewhere).
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YEAH! Well, except for those innocent brown citizens that get asked for their paperwork because they LOOK like illegals. They have to live only semi-free, because your style of fascism is okay....
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The NEW USA = United Socialists of America
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Just curious.
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Shut Up and Get Scanned and Groped...
TIRED OF HAVING YOUR CONTENT SCANNED AND YOUR "TALENT" GROPED?
WELL SHUT UP AND GET USED TO IT.
CBMHB
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Well Duh
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Well worded
Well stated.
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No fly!
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Feeling of safety
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Or if you want to be really tinfoil about it, maybe that's exactly what they're going for. Frightened people demand more protection, which of course requires more money. And gives more power to those already in power.
I would tend toward the "incompetent beauracracy given vague mandate and billions of dollars" explanation myself, though.
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When asked for a SINGLE EXAMPLE where the TSA procedures saved planes from being blown up, the author ignored the question
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Between 1985 through 1989 I remember some of the worst bombings happening all over the place. And the Republican's party hero, Ronald Reagan, never thought that we should have this much "protection" that only serves to terrify the public and make the government remove our basic rights, as granted by our on constitution. And no privacy isn't one of them but the fourth amendment states unlawful search and seizure.
If the Republican hero wasn't willing to turn America into a totalitarian state (and I can't believe I even wrote that) over a bombings that killed Americans and Europeans alike. He actually called for some calm and reason. Then why is every Republican since 2000 doing the exact opposite.
Ok, I just think that is weird. Do public schools even teach the book 1984 anymore? I have to go and sterilize my hands after writing that about Ronald Reagan.
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