I would say it's insane to build a business model based on illegal activity, and then believe that if there's one legal usage, it qualifies as your get-out-of-jail-free card.
I would say it's insane to charge that business for the alleged crimes of those who use that business' services. Guilt by association?
If that business is doing something which is illegal, charge them for it. Otherwise, you're harassing legal activities for no reason, because you can. Or, because you're too lazy or cheap to go after those who are actually offenders.
It won't be long before every man, woman, and child in the world hates the US as much as Osama Bin Laden did.
This story, however, is mere titillating Hollywood gossip compared to the other !@#$ that's going on out there. Cf. the US (Obama and the Neocons; and how wierd it feels to write that) is fomenting another proxy war, this time against Putin's Russia after backing a coup against the elected gov't of Ukraine, in collusion with neo-Nazi stormtroopers, the IMF, and their beholden PR arm the New York Times (see consortiumnews.com).
This poor guy got off lightly. He'll get to see his kid again in only a year. Let's hope the world isn't entirely in flames by then.
I know exactly what you mean, and I mostly agree or sympathize, but I can help you understand. Remember that "wardrobe malfunction" business? Yup, same sorta BS, sans the Xtian Right's horror that one of those two dots that everyone has on their chests "got into the public eye" (if only fleetingly, in slow-mo). The NFL appears to be a serial offender in the realm of stupidity; too much money aggregated into the same place, I think. Hopefully, this episode will disappear momentarily and not drag on for years as that one did.
It's sad here though, as I had a bit of respect for Perry. Lawyers can ruin anything, it seems. Thank your elected representatives for that.
Oh BTW, the Electronic Communications Privacy Act is another great example of how everything always turns out great with legislation focused on how technology works right now.
So, whose idea was it to fill congress with lawyers because they're better able to write laws?
Discussions keep dodging (or at least glossing over) the fact that "Which cameras, and at what times, did License Plate X pass on Tuesday" is just as easy to run as "Which License Plate #'s were captured by Camera X on Tuesday."
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But that someone felt threatened shouldn't be (and isn't in the US) the sole point that determines if something is a threat or not.
You might think that, but that's not how LEOs think today. Now, they go by "better safe than sorry." Yeah, he got off, but he's likely out of a job now. Be careful out there.
I think if I were a child in the US today, I'd have to sue my parents for conceiving me. This having to pass a law to make something legal in order to head off lawsuits is crazy. When did the Law Outlawing Poor And/Or Unemployed Lawyers get passed?
It's unfortunate that these kinds of bills are even necessary, but such is the state of copyright laws today, that they often mean the devices you buy, you don't even really own.
Tell me again why this bill is necessary. That link to bizjournal tells the story of of an outfit that fought back and won treble damages. Isn't that setting legal precedent? Is the US legal system today so fucked up that you now need an individual bill for every possible action not yet specifically allowed by another existing bill?
Los Angeles law enforcement officials went so far as to claim all captured photos were "relevant" to investigations.
That's even plausible. Every cop show on TV explains that giving a DNA sample helps to rule out innocents, so it's in our interest to give it up. Now, with a database of LPR photos they can troll through at their leisure, they can look up our whereabouts to determine whether we were near the scene of a crime or not, to rule us either in or out as potential suspects. Welcome to the 21st Century.
The Internet : national transportation system The Web : national highway system Web Browser : your automobile Search Engine : road atlas, GPS device or information kiosk
Very good.
AOL or Facebook : bus tour operator ?
Nah. Roadside theme parks. Paul Bunyan and Blue statues, or fifty foot statue of Hey Zeus Crisco at the entrance (not Disneyland).
Does anyone else remember when this country had a backbone?
I don't, but I heard about it. It was called The Age of Enlightenment. Unfortunately, it didn't take and was soon followed by Romanticism whose "long-term effect on the growth of nationalism was perhaps more significant" than the artsy stuff it was mostly known for.
AoE was in the 1700s, long before our time. This mess we now have has been brewing for a while. I suppose we can take some satisfaction from that. It takes a long time to fuck things up as bad as this.
... why not raise awareness to the fact that the Internet is much, much more than mere applications in a smartphone?
Because many people, including many otherwise technically inclined people, are notoriously susceptible to tunnel vision. If it's not in their specific area of expertise, they don't want to hear about it and dismiss it as irrelevant, extraneous, needless complexity.
Darwin in action. In earlier times, this would have been a potentially fatal mode of operation, kind of like not believing in vaccination. Our modern civilization encourages people to remain ignorant of things outside their specialty. They're more easily dealt with as a herd that way.
This story surprises me not at all. I've been saying for a long time that the most clueless, with respect to computing in general, are the legal and medical professions, two of the most highly educated demographics we have.
Throw enough extraneous minutia at people and they will go out of their way to avoid having to deal with any more, even if it might save their lives to know it.
"Information relating to this specific incident has been permanently and securely disposed of."
So, this newsagent just handed it over when it was demanded? I'll be across the street from their shop with a sign which reads, "This newsagent reports free speech advocates to the authorities!"
It's amazing that you can say this in a thread talking about this subject. You appear to believe we're still in the last century. Anyone traveling to the US these days is a fool, as Vanderklik's story proves. Perhaps you'll be in line for a big payout from resultant lawsuits, or maybe you'll just end up stranded in an airport when you end up on the no-fly list or your visa is revoked. Capricious officialdom is the rule these days, not the exception.
What kind of an idiot travels to Nazi Germany in 1939?
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I would say it's insane to charge that business for the alleged crimes of those who use that business' services. Guilt by association?
If that business is doing something which is illegal, charge them for it. Otherwise, you're harassing legal activities for no reason, because you can. Or, because you're too lazy or cheap to go after those who are actually offenders.
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USA is trying to out-Nazi the Nazis.
This story, however, is mere titillating Hollywood gossip compared to the other !@#$ that's going on out there. Cf. the US (Obama and the Neocons; and how wierd it feels to write that) is fomenting another proxy war, this time against Putin's Russia after backing a coup against the elected gov't of Ukraine, in collusion with neo-Nazi stormtroopers, the IMF, and their beholden PR arm the New York Times (see consortiumnews.com).
This poor guy got off lightly. He'll get to see his kid again in only a year. Let's hope the world isn't entirely in flames by then.
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Re: ummmm.
It's sad here though, as I had a bit of respect for Perry. Lawyers can ruin anything, it seems. Thank your elected representatives for that.
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So, whose idea was it to fill congress with lawyers because they're better able to write laws?
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Or, "which ... [black|chinese|muslim|jew|democrat|...] ..."
Are we trying to solve/minimize crimes here, or building a tool for the tyrant (who succeeds the current political regime) to abuse?
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Re: What's the difference
They live in a state which has a supreme court not made up of absolute morons.
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I can hear the entire state of Oregon facepalm from here.
And a one, and a two: "Doh!"
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You might think that, but that's not how LEOs think today. Now, they go by "better safe than sorry." Yeah, he got off, but he's likely out of a job now. Be careful out there.
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Better go with the insanity defense.
You're all nuts. Welcome to the twilight zone.
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Exactly what I was thinking. If the crime rate is falling, they need to keep their existing inmates in longer in order to remain profitable.
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Re: External communications
Probably because the guards are on the same network. Subnets? What're those?
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Tell me again why this bill is necessary. That link to bizjournal tells the story of of an outfit that fought back and won treble damages. Isn't that setting legal precedent? Is the US legal system today so fucked up that you now need an individual bill for every possible action not yet specifically allowed by another existing bill?
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That's even plausible. Every cop show on TV explains that giving a DNA sample helps to rule out innocents, so it's in our interest to give it up. Now, with a database of LPR photos they can troll through at their leisure, they can look up our whereabouts to determine whether we were near the scene of a crime or not, to rule us either in or out as potential suspects. Welcome to the 21st Century.
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Very good.
Nah. Roadside theme parks. Paul Bunyan and Blue statues, or fifty foot statue of Hey Zeus Crisco at the entrance (not Disneyland).
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Apparently the police did.
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Re: When PCs meet PC
I don't, but I heard about it. It was called The Age of Enlightenment. Unfortunately, it didn't take and was soon followed by Romanticism whose "long-term effect on the growth of nationalism was perhaps more significant" than the artsy stuff it was mostly known for.
AoE was in the 1700s, long before our time. This mess we now have has been brewing for a while. I suppose we can take some satisfaction from that. It takes a long time to fuck things up as bad as this.
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Because many people, including many otherwise technically inclined people, are notoriously susceptible to tunnel vision. If it's not in their specific area of expertise, they don't want to hear about it and dismiss it as irrelevant, extraneous, needless complexity.
Darwin in action. In earlier times, this would have been a potentially fatal mode of operation, kind of like not believing in vaccination. Our modern civilization encourages people to remain ignorant of things outside their specialty. They're more easily dealt with as a herd that way.
This story surprises me not at all. I've been saying for a long time that the most clueless, with respect to computing in general, are the legal and medical professions, two of the most highly educated demographics we have.
Throw enough extraneous minutia at people and they will go out of their way to avoid having to deal with any more, even if it might save their lives to know it.
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It's a two-fer.
So, this newsagent just handed it over when it was demanded? I'll be across the street from their shop with a sign which reads, "This newsagent reports free speech advocates to the authorities!"
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It's amazing that you can say this in a thread talking about this subject. You appear to believe we're still in the last century. Anyone traveling to the US these days is a fool, as Vanderklik's story proves. Perhaps you'll be in line for a big payout from resultant lawsuits, or maybe you'll just end up stranded in an airport when you end up on the no-fly list or your visa is revoked. Capricious officialdom is the rule these days, not the exception.
What kind of an idiot travels to Nazi Germany in 1939?
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You misspelled The War on Drugs.
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