Automatic License Plate Readers Also Gathering Millions Of Facial Photos Daily
from the THE-DATABASE-IS-MADE-OF-PEOPLE! dept
Every day in the US, millions of license plate photos are scanned and stored in various third-party databases, accessible by hundreds of law enforcement agencies, including those at the federal level. Privacy concerns have been raised by groups like the EFF and ACLU, but these have been brushed off with two assertions:
1. Driving in public is, by definition, not a private activity.
2. The license plate/location data only identifies a vehicle, not a person.
The first point can't really be argued. Your expectation of privacy pretty much ends when you start traveling on public streets. But the massive number of plate photos scanned and stored still creates privacy concerns. Most of the photos stored in law enforcement databases have nothing to do with ongoing investigations, and long-term storage of irrelevant plate/location data allows law enforcement to "track" anyone it wants to. Further concerns arise when agencies troll events like political rallies to add plates to their databases. It may not be a privacy violation, but it does raise questions about surveillance of First Amendment-protected activities.
As for the second argument -- just cars, not people -- that one's apparently completely bogus.
In addition to tracking license plates, the federal government has been taking and sharing photos of drivers and passengers inside the cars, documents obtained by the American Civil Liberties Union show.The reality of the situation doesn't mesh with law enforcement's statements. And with ALPR manufacturers like Vigilant Solutions hoping to add facial recognition technology to their products, law enforcement agencies will soon have access to millions of individuals' photos, a large majority of which aren't currently under investigation.
License plate readers (LPRs) are designed to provide “the requester” with images of license plate vehicle numbers, in addition to “photos of visible vehicle occupants,” one of the newly released documents reads.
Another document obtained by the ACLU reveals the cameras have the ability to “store up to 10 photos per vehicle transaction including 4 occupant photos.”
The DEA's database alone holds at least 343 million LPR photos. Other law enforcement agencies are adding millions of shots to these shared databases daily. While the expectation of privacy is lowered in public settings, the millions of photos amassed turn these databases into long-term tracking devices. Surveillance of this scope used to be limited by personnel availability. Now, it's as easy as leaving camera running for the entire shift -- day after day after day. This low-effort process builds easy-to-use "maps" of citizens' movements -- where they work, where they live, which businesses they frequent, where they spend their "off" hours, which doctors they use, etc. And it's all at the fingertips of federal, state and local law enforcement agencies.
No law enforcement agencies are willing to talk about the implications of storing millions of "non-hit" photos. Los Angeles law enforcement officials went so far as to claim all captured photos were "relevant" to investigations. What little has been uncovered has been the results of tenacious FOIA requesters or open records lawsuits. The efforts being made to keep this information out of the public eye has very little to do with "protecting law enforcement methods" and everything to do with minimizing the amount of scrutiny or criticism these agencies face.
With the steady improvement of facial recognition technology, law enforcement agencies will soon know not only where your vehicle's been, but who was in it. The push back against this technology isn't so much about preventing its use, but preventing its abuse. Storing records unrelated to criminal activity for years is nothing more than stockpiling of data for its own sake -- nearly completely divorced from the actual business of enforcing laws.
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in la florida, it is (supposedly) illegal to have windows tinted beyond -as i recall- something like 40%...
now, you can see cars ALL THE TIME which are obviously beyond that limit, but i doubt much is made of it, unless it is simply piled on other charges if they are stopped for something else...
secondly, we only have rear license plates in florida, and if you have a pickup (as everyone should), simply drive with your tailgate down, should foil most tag cams, but still be visible if a cop is running you down for speeding/whatever...
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Foiling the cameras
(Of course putting all that makeup on to run to the store for milk would take more time than the entire round trip.)
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... gives me the screaming-meemies thinking about seeing that multiple times a day.
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Of course, this isn't even considering the funniest thing of all: the government's surveillance juxtaposed with its constant screaming about all Muslims being terrorists. After all, they're driving every single one of us to want to wear burkas.
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Two takeaways
2. Privacy does not exist outside the home and if you use third party services not within it either.
How far will they go? Soon everything observable in public will be logged. Fingerprints, retina scans, the works. Little robots collecting DNA samples from your hair follicles lost during the day. Don't shave your entire body hair or wear solar shields? Obviously you have no expectation of privacy.
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Now records are being created without any checks whatever on what you do in the course of your regular activities. This has nothing to do with crime. This is the police state in action. The very thing our forefathers, in writing the Constitution were fearing, no matter the level of technology. The unbridled and unchecked state abusing it's powers not because it needs to but because it can.
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Who.the.f.gave.them.the.right
Viva la fking revolution
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Progress?
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Isn't that the reason he served
It's considered free speech.
A right that he served for
And lets face it it's a 14 year old "kid", what does he know?
I wonder how he is at his job. a true educator would probably take this as a learning opportunity.
Instead he would rather ruin a kids life.
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That's even plausible. Every cop show on TV explains that giving a DNA sample helps to rule out innocents, so it's in our interest to give it up. Now, with a database of LPR photos they can troll through at their leisure, they can look up our whereabouts to determine whether we were near the scene of a crime or not, to rule us either in or out as potential suspects. Welcome to the 21st Century.
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Privacy is not anonymity
"[The point] Driving in public is, by definition, not a private activity ... can't really be argued. Your expectation of privacy pretty much ends when you start traveling on public streets."
I disagree. Privacy is not about hiding. We can and should maintain expectations of privacy when we go about our business in public. Privacy is largely about restraint; one of the fundamental principles of data privacy is that Personal Information ought not to be collected if it is not needed for an express and transparent purpose. The over-collection of number plate data by ANPR systems is a classic sort of systemic privacy breach, and an object lesson in the value and risks of metadata. When I drive in public, I do have an expectation of privacy, insofar as my movements are concerned. I don't expect my trips to be recorded over long periods of time, and indexed by number plate.
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Do you mean to imply that Tim said that's OK?
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This may not be economically feasible yet, but it's technologically plausible. ALPR records aren't like single photographs taken in public, they're more like the frames of a film.
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If it isn't stopped laws, court decisions, or (maybe) just public backlash, it's only a matter of time before it happens. Can you imagine how much law enforcement would love that? And they seem to think that anything that makes their jobs easier is appropriate to do.
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Discussions keep dodging (or at least glossing over) the fact that "Which cameras, and at what times, did License Plate X pass on Tuesday" is just as easy to run as "Which License Plate #'s were captured by Camera X on Tuesday."
Or maybe I'm starting to suffer from some sort of OC focus on a trivial point. Wouldn't be the first time...
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Or, "which ... [black|chinese|muslim|jew|democrat|...] ..."
Are we trying to solve/minimize crimes here, or building a tool for the tyrant (who succeeds the current political regime) to abuse?
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Mandatory for all feral government types
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You dont OWN the public to do with as you will
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BULLSHIT
We are not lab rats tim, my expectation of privacy applies everywhere, a government who doesnt care or understands that can fall as far as im concerned
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You expect to be in private when you're, for example, walking around the mall?
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I agree. I don't there is an unqualified "expectation of privacy" when out in public though.
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The LPR cameras can't even ID a plate with 100% accuracy in ideal situations. Now add in angles, weather, blockage, ect
I dare somebody to look through our millions of records and come out with a dozen recognizable faces. Hell most records don't even HAVE faces of drivers in them. They are the back of cars, hood only, or glare off the window.
Maybe...MAYBE....in a couple decades if the technology matures in a big way it might be possible to capture faces. But as of right now it is nowhere close to that capability.
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And how about semi-trucks, whose license plate is blocked by the trailer. The trailer has it's own license plate which may be registered to a different entity than the truck.
And what about traffic signals that have a dome camera on one of them? It's either a pan/tilt/zoom or one of the new 180 or 360 cameras; both of which require human operation for any effectiveness.
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Oh good, the technology isn't perfect yet. That makes everything OK, nothing to worry about here.
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your head -> O
the POINT was that if the LPR systems can't even read the plats with good accuracy. AND the very very vast majority of the screen shots don't even contain faces...how in the holy hell are these shots supposed to be useful for facial recognition? Hint: they are not useful.
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your head -> O
Hey this is fun! I understood your point perfectly and I find it not at all comforting. Do you suppose that this technology will languish and not improve, so that we have nothing to worry about? How good do you think it will be in 10 years? 20 years? How big do you think the databases will be by then? Are you content to wait to address this once the police are already used to 100% surveillance of where everyone goes all the time? I'm not.
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(I hope this comment doesn't need an explicit [\s], but I am an AC, so...)
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You just never know anymore.
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Oh BTW, the Electronic Communications Privacy Act is another great example of how everything always turns out great with legislation focused on how technology works right now.
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So, whose idea was it to fill congress with lawyers because they're better able to write laws?
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VIN numbers also accessible
These VIN #'s can be read using high resolution cameras from above any roadway, and then correlated with license plate #'s.
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Expectation of privacy while driving
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Re: Expectation of privacy while driving
Sort of. There's no reasonable expectation that nobody will be able to see you, or see where you go. There may be a reasonable expectation that police will not surreptitiously* track your location without a warrant though.
* I don't mean clever in-person surveillance that you might not notice, I mean this license plate camera sort of thing
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If they have the data, they will abuse it, the NSA proves it daily.
There are two groups that cannot ever be trusted with private data, they have both proved it countless times with their proven crimes. The government and corporations.
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Public privacy is a matter of priorities
Technology is changing that - GPS units are cheap enough now that it would be easy to mandate all new cars built after 2016 include a GPS unit that periodically transmits it location to a central monitoring site. (Mobile data fees paid by the car owner, of course). In fact some area have discussed using it to tie vehicle registration fees to the actual number of miles driven by the vehicle. In both cases the cost is trivial, typically born by the innocent person, and provide the government unimaginable amounts of data.
Going back to "original intent" I keep trying to imagine the writers of the Constitution considering the case of whether the government can force all carriages to include a jump seat where a militia man can ride (for free) to keep track of where the owner travels. I have no doubt that they would emphatically say that that was no acceptable after they lifted their jaws off the ground.
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