Reading these threads, and seeing devout Linux adepts arguing with no lack of intensity about the stability/usability of a seemingly endless array of distros/environments is not a compelling advertisement for Linux as everymans OS.
Do you seriously think the Gimp and Inkscape are professional grade applications? That Jack/Ardour/Audacity are a usable platform for music production? Why the fuck should I have to jump through hoops to get VST technology to *not crash*, let alone function properly?
Here's what the Ardour manual has to say about VSTs:
" Thanks to the combined work of Torben Hohn, Kjetil Mattheusen, Paul Davis and a few other developers, it is possible to use Windows VST plugins (that is, plugins in VST format built and distributed for the Windows platforms) on Ardour running on Linux. (Note: there is no VST support of any kind on OS X).
However, doing so has three substantial downsides:
It requires a special build of Ardour that is fundamentally very different from normal builds. Support depends on Wine, a Windows "emulator". As usual with plugins, a crashing plugin will take Ardour down with it. And crashes in Windows VST plugins are more likely when used in this way.
The dependence on Wine makes it almost impossible for the Ardour project to support this feature. Wine's functionality generally improves over time, but any given release of Wine may behave worse with some or all Windows VST plugins. It may even just crash Ardour completely.
Step back and think about what "using Windows VSTs" really means: taking bits of software written with only one idea in mind - running on the Windows platform - and then trying to use them on an entirely different platform. It is a bit of a miracle (largely thanks to the incredible work done by the Wine project) that it works at all. But is this the basis of a stable, reliable DAW for a non-Windows platform? Getting Ardour on Linux to pretend that its really a Windows application running on Windows?
We understand that there are many outstanding plugins available as Windows VSTs and that in many cases, no equivalent is available for Ardour's Linux-based users. If your workflow is so dependent on those plugins, then remain on Windows (or potentially consider using an actual Windows VST host running inside of Wine). If you can make the effort, you will get a better environment by using a normal build of Ardour and exploring the world of plugins built to run on Linux natively. This covers LADSPA, LV2 and Linux VST formats, and even some outstanding proprietary plugins such as those from LinuxDSP and Loomer. "
So no dude, it's not that I'm lazy, it's not that I'm stupid, it's that your fucking OS just doesn't fucking work.
Fucking around with Linux to make it work is a bigger pain in the ass than fucking around with Windows to make it work.
Linux is great for primary network functionality. Actually accomplishing stuff besides configuring network protocols, editing text files and looking a pron between *intense coding sessions*... not occurring. I know y'all try hard, but if I can't plug in a graphics tablet, USB audio interface and midi controller and have them do what they're supposed to without hunting down 3rd party drivers and fucking with the command line to implement patches of dubious provenance, I just cannot be arsed.
I have exactly zero fucks to give to your whining, kid.
Imagine being a working professional musician in 1977 and having your comfortable income disappear overnight when 9 out of 10 bar owners realize that a PFY with 2 turntables and a crate of vinyl can sell just as many drinks as a 5 piece original band and cost them 50 bucks and 3 Long Island Iced Teas.
You think you have it bad? We recorded our demos on a $700 pawnshop Teac 3340s, in mono, using the spring tank from a Traynor GT100 as the *only* effect, with radioshack mics and a 4 channel Crown PA mixer, because the only *real* recording studios were 16 Studer shops that charged 80 bucks an hour, and a spool of 456 was $120. We'd pull all-nighters copying cassettes in real time on boomboxes, label them with basllpoint pen, and pay a buck a shot to snail mail them out to clubs, labels and radio stations, hoping for *anything* as a response.
Reading your snivelling diatribe about how fucking hard you have it as a musician in 2015 is about as fucking first-world as it can possibly fucking get, so shut the fuck up, and thank every fucking god in your pantheon that you're a musician here and now, rather than there and then.
I was a card carrying AF of M member for 20 years, and the only thing my membership guaranteed me was the opportunity to buy rounds of single malt for the shop stewards in every backwater town in Ontario when they showed up to check your card 15 minutes before stage time.
"Flo & Eddie, the company that owns the rights to the music of the band The Turtles".
Flo and Eddie are the actual Turtles. Mark Volman and Howard Kaylan were the Turtles dudes, but they adopted the names of Frank Zappa's roadies when they joined the Mothers of Invention after the Turtles sank.
Dude *should* be suing Rob Ford for creating an environment where drug references, hooker references and rollicking profanity could reasonably be assumed to be coming from a municipal mayor's social media presence.
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Even devout Gimp afficianadoes don't think that.
I admire your brand loyalty, I admire the upper case importance of you being a Graphic Designer, but that's a silly, silly thing to say.
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Here's what the Ardour manual has to say about VSTs:
" Thanks to the combined work of Torben Hohn, Kjetil Mattheusen, Paul Davis and a few other developers, it is possible to use Windows VST plugins (that is, plugins in VST format built and distributed for the Windows platforms) on Ardour running on Linux. (Note: there is no VST support of any kind on OS X).
However, doing so has three substantial downsides:
It requires a special build of Ardour that is fundamentally very different from normal builds.
Support depends on Wine, a Windows "emulator".
As usual with plugins, a crashing plugin will take Ardour down with it. And crashes in Windows VST plugins are more likely when used in this way.
The dependence on Wine makes it almost impossible for the Ardour project to support this feature. Wine's functionality generally improves over time, but any given release of Wine may behave worse with some or all Windows VST plugins. It may even just crash Ardour completely.
Step back and think about what "using Windows VSTs" really means: taking bits of software written with only one idea in mind - running on the Windows platform - and then trying to use them on an entirely different platform. It is a bit of a miracle (largely thanks to the incredible work done by the Wine project) that it works at all. But is this the basis of a stable, reliable DAW for a non-Windows platform? Getting Ardour on Linux to pretend that its really a Windows application running on Windows?
We understand that there are many outstanding plugins available as Windows VSTs and that in many cases, no equivalent is available for Ardour's Linux-based users. If your workflow is so dependent on those plugins, then remain on Windows (or potentially consider using an actual Windows VST host running inside of Wine). If you can make the effort, you will get a better environment by using a normal build of Ardour and exploring the world of plugins built to run on Linux natively. This covers LADSPA, LV2 and Linux VST formats, and even some outstanding proprietary plugins such as those from LinuxDSP and Loomer. "
So no dude, it's not that I'm lazy, it's not that I'm stupid, it's that your fucking OS just doesn't fucking work.
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I suggest that you don't actually do anything with computers besides surf the web for pron and do intense coding sessions.
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Linux is great for primary network functionality. Actually accomplishing stuff besides configuring network protocols, editing text files and looking a pron between *intense coding sessions*... not occurring. I know y'all try hard, but if I can't plug in a graphics tablet, USB audio interface and midi controller and have them do what they're supposed to without hunting down 3rd party drivers and fucking with the command line to implement patches of dubious provenance, I just cannot be arsed.
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Re: go fuck yourselves
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Fuck you, you whiny piece of shit.
Imagine being a working professional musician in 1977 and having your comfortable income disappear overnight when 9 out of 10 bar owners realize that a PFY with 2 turntables and a crate of vinyl can sell just as many drinks as a 5 piece original band and cost them 50 bucks and 3 Long Island Iced Teas.
You think you have it bad? We recorded our demos on a $700 pawnshop Teac 3340s, in mono, using the spring tank from a Traynor GT100 as the *only* effect, with radioshack mics and a 4 channel Crown PA mixer, because the only *real* recording studios were 16 Studer shops that charged 80 bucks an hour, and a spool of 456 was $120. We'd pull all-nighters copying cassettes in real time on boomboxes, label them with basllpoint pen, and pay a buck a shot to snail mail them out to clubs, labels and radio stations, hoping for *anything* as a response.
Reading your snivelling diatribe about how fucking hard you have it as a musician in 2015 is about as fucking first-world as it can possibly fucking get, so shut the fuck up, and thank every fucking god in your pantheon that you're a musician here and now, rather than there and then.
Fuck you, you whiny piece of shit.
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Long has it been...
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Flo and Eddie
Flo and Eddie are the actual Turtles. Mark Volman and Howard Kaylan were the Turtles dudes, but they adopted the names of Frank Zappa's roadies when they joined the Mothers of Invention after the Turtles sank.
I'll shut up now.
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Well, duh...
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yes_Minister
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Wrong target...
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It's not like Joel...
http://www.musicradar.com/news/tech/fl-studio-user-faces-legal-action-for-using-built-in-s amples-183577/
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